26/09/02 15:46:11, guy keren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>dear people,
>
>i think there's some great confusion here about the usa of the term 
>'stable'.
>
>ariel (at least as far as i know) runs systems that bear a rather heavy 
>load over network connections. most people run machines that do not bear 
>that heavy load. thus, your definition of 'stable' is quite different.
>
>and its a rather known fact, that for realy heavy network, memory and 
>processing load on linux, most of the 2.4 kernel series was rather flowed, 
>at least until 2.4.18 came out.
>
>a company i worked with encountered lots of woes in this area (running a 
>machine with redhat's kernel or any vanilla 2.4.X kernel, about 8-12 
>month ago) year back, perhaps 8 month back) in the lab and bombing it with 
>traffic while running their application on it (which used a lot of 
>memory), caused networking to stop working after several hours or half a 
>day, in a repeatable manner. only when then eventually installed a variant 
>of the 2.4 kernel with the 'aa' patches - did they manage to have a 
>machine running steadily - and that certainly wasn't a tested kernel, back 
>then, not to mention QA. 
>
>you can argue that your experience was different as much as you will - but 
>the fact was that the VM code caused problems on a machine that was 
>hammered heavily the same problem existed with pre 2.4.10 kernels, that is 
>2.4.7, 2.4.9, etc). and as far as i know, not all of arcanageli's patches 
>went into 2.4.19 (muli - please correct me if i'm wrong regarding this 
>merge).
>
>this VM fiasco apparently did not have a parelel during the 2.2 
>kernel release cycle, or with earlier versions - it did happen with 2.4 . 
>
>btw, at the same time, another company that used much earlier 2.4 kernels 
>with an appliction that performs network processing - did not encounter 
>_any_ problem. ofcoruse, they handled traffic flowing at only 10 mega-bit 
>per second - and that did not use as much memory. and they were using very 
>early 2.4 kernels (including some 2.4-test kernels) - and had no problems.
>so from their point of view, 2.4 was stable since quite long ago.
>
>so, i'd say again - stability depends on what you're doing with the 
>system. and QA alone cannot fix problems stemming from major bugs in the 
>underlying system.
>
>-- 
>guy
>

True, but then how would you explain the article by Moshe ? He tested several
2.4 kernels and the RH 7.2 kernel, while a bit slower, was stable.

Eli

"There's so many different worlds
 So many different suns
 And we have just one world
 But we live in different ones.."
 
 - Dire Straits




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