its all in the eye of the beholder, read ahead.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:linux-il-bounce@;cs.huji.ac.il]On Behalf Of Oron Peled
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:42 PM
> To: Yedidyah Bar-David
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: upcoming java ssh2?
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:25:31 +0200
> Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sometimes you'd rather that over nothing. I know at least two places
> > (and guess there are thousands) that do not permit any
> outgoing traffic
> > except http over their proxy (so that running sshd on port 80 won't
> > work either). If you had a way to run such a http<->ssh proxy, even
> > a slow and non-responsive one, you would use it when you had to
>
> What you describe just proves how clueless many corporations are
> First they overload any concievable service on port 80 (what happend
> to the other 16K tcp/udp ports?) than they find that they need
> to make content filtering so only "good" http goes in

there are no good nor bad, every company determines for itself what is
good or bad.

>
> This is completely braindamaged, as various web services schemes
> demonstrate that with appropriate methodology, you can overload
> http with everything you want

why not, its just 1/0 whats wrong with doing whatever the hell u want to
do with it.
free speech often accompanied by bad practicies, nontheless its still
free speech.

>
> What will be the next level in their content filtering strategies?
> Searching for "bad patterns"? (reminds me of the stupid AntiVirus
> products I used in my old DOS days...)

they already do that. ie IDS like snort, etc...

>
> Of course people could start encoding their protocols with
> steganographic
> methods over http... should be interesting to see corporates try to
> block this

they already do, and its good that it is possible so people, for
example, in china could see site like cnn,
etc..


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> 3Com only purchased rights to the numbers '3' '5' and '9', Intel
> owns '4', '8', '6', and '2'. '0' and '1' are still in the public
> domain ;-)
>          -Donald Becker
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