On Tuesday 03 June 2003 20:49, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 07:52:25PM +0300, Meir Kriheli wrote:
>
> [ snip ]
>
> > There's one thing we must realize:
> >
> > The stage of early adapters and techies adopting FOSS is reaching the
> > end. From now on we are facing a uphill PR battle.
> >
> > We're nearing a stage off public non techie adoption. As we see at
> > Whatsup more and more "Normal" people are joining. Assuming linux-il and
> > IGLU are 1st tier, various forums are 2nd tier, we're now facing the 3rd
> > tier (the public).
> >
> > They're not reading linux-il or visiting IGLU, they don't care so much
> > about the old boys. They don't visit Hamakor's site or read it's mailing
> > lists.
> >
> > What the 1st and 2nd tier should do is fight a PR battle for them and the
> > ones to come. It includes releasing PR info for them, as they won't
> > follow up or search it for themselves.
> >
> > Take Nadav's comment. I took his announcement
>
> Translated it to Hebrew,
>
> > and published it at whatsup
> > (with some mistakes by my side during the translation - Like Dan's last
> > name). People became aware to it (many of them for the 1st time). Nadav
> > commented there, correcting my mistakes.
> >
> > Wouldn't it save resources if a "Press Release" was issued ? It have
> > saved us the time to translate it, and Nadav's time coming and "fixing"
> > it.
>
> To what address should announcements be sent? Are there any problems with
> UTF-8 text?

All *Nuke systems have a simply way to submit stories via the web interface.

> Actually, Nadav sent a rather "Technical" (though funny) annoncement about
> version 0.5 (read: not yet 1.0. Not yet ready for "tier 1 public"
> consumption. I believe that Nadav and Dan will agree with this stantement)

More testers the better, better bug reporting.
 
> BTW: this was announced on ivrix-discuss and linux-il. Are people of the
> WhatsUp site subscribed to both lists?

You're missing the point, I'm not talking about whatsup is specific I'm 
talking about general media, journalists etc.

Let's hope the new PR intitative at Hamakor will fly..

> > Or take for example the result of the poll about Hamakor at Whatsup
> > (what's wrong with it's web site BTW ?).
>
> Why bother installing a poll facility?

Shachar asked for one on whatsup to see where people stand.

> Hamakor has a simpe site, with static pages. Very resiliant to possible
> slash-dotting and similar problems.

By whats's wrong I mean that as for now going to http://hamakor.org.il/ gives 
an empty index page, not the design

> > More than 60% (as for now) don't know about
> > it or won't pay (for various reasons).
>
> Considering the Hinam reputation, I wouldn't be surprised people have
> their reasons not wanting to spend their money :-)

I disagree, there are people donating money to projects, joining club's etc. 
If the cause is right and people are aware of it, at lease some will pay.

-- 
Meir Kriheli
MKsoft systems
http://www.mksoft.co.il

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