How about meeting them half-way -- first thing to suggest using mysql/postgresql as the database instead of access -- they're free, and at least I know mysql can run on Windows without a problem. Access has no advantages over mysql in this kind of setup, and mysql by far surpasses Access as a DB engine. (if Access could even be called that).

About VB/ASP.... what will this site do? the price argument might looked weired to them since hiring a LAMP guy will cost them money, where as you say the VB/ASP guy will work for free (does he own a registered license of VB for development?).
The cost of Win2K server (with proper licensing; a Win web-server might require an Internet Connector License which is costly), hosting, development and maintenance should be compared. I'm guessing the LAMP solution will cost less at the end, even though development will cost money, although it is not true in any case.
I doubt you can convince non-tech people with arguments like "being bind to MS technologies". In most people's eyes that's not a bad thing.



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Hi,

My gliding club is going to write their own software, after years of being
dependent on an ancient Magic software that no-one could update and did
a fraction of the requirements.

A club member who knows MS stuff valunteered to write it in VB+ASP+Access.
Their argument for Access is that we won't reach the 1Gb limit in 20 years
(which I think is false) and that it will be a single web server accessing the database
directly, so no much concurrency problems (which I'll try to clarify in a meeting
tommorow (Monday)). They also relay on the promise that it will be easy to move over
the MS-SQL if required later.


I'd like to stir them away from doing what I believe to be a mistake to be dependend on
MS proprietary technology, but not being able to give the time to program myself I
am a bit at loss as to how exactly can I convince them to see the dangers in that road.


Can people help me find arguments against this setup?

Currently I have:

1. Windows/IIS/ASP are insecure.
2. Not scalable in terms of size of database and number of users (but then it's not
going to be a large number of users, only club members).
3. Expensive (but they might be willing to invest this).
4. Lots of "hand holding" for the server - crashes, bug fixes, anti-virus.
5. Lock-in in MS technology (but I suppose you can always export the data, don't you?).


What else can I say? And how to say it?

I need this for Monday evening.

Thanks,

--Amos



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