On Tuesday 24 May 2005 22:43, Maxim Kovgan wrote:
> Let me put more stuff into the discussion.
> Shlomi, with all due the respect to your PERL, Python and other
> creations, you GAIN from open source: fame, knowledge, friends ... and
> eventually you will get your salary out of it.
>

Maybe, maybe not. I don't charge money from my software, all the original 
software I wrote is under Public Domain licenses (MIT X11, etc. - not GPL), 
and I only make some money off some consulting and writing articles and 
essays about it. (which is itself time-consuming).

> Still, you don't get any hungrier if you don't sell your stories:
> You can create your stories for the sake of creative FUN.

Right.

> This is why you are not so pressured to gain any profit for the time
> writing them.
> Excuse me for the comparison, but this is similar to housewife's
> knitting or sewing.

I believe the analogy is correct.

> IT is done for the creative release/revealation, and entertainment.
>

Hi.


> When was the last time you spoke with J.S. Bach about the redundancy of
> copyright ?

Copyright for melodies did not exist at the time of J.S. Bach. Furthermore, 
Bach never charged anything for playing his works in public. Rather, he may 
have charged people for attending some of his performances.

> What would he say, a father of many children who want to EAT, if there
> came a Shlomi or David, or whoever and tell him that in spite his
> sleepless nights during the writings... it is ok to download it for
> free ?

If he were alive today , he could still make money off selling CDs, selling 
mp3s in iTunes and friends, and from public performances. And it's not my 
problem he has many children.

> ( note in his time it would be very difficult, but put him to
> nowadays... )
> Have you spoken to Kurt Vonnegut about ... "can I spread your books over
> the net for free?"
> These are not programmers/scientists who want to express themselves
> differently - these rely on the income of their creations very seriously
> - they sign contracts with publishers, and record companies.
> And about the music:
> Do you have any idea how much a simple semi-pro studio costs ?
> ( monitor reference speakers + good Shure Mic, multichannel audio
> interface card, mixer console, a synthesizer, a guitar, drums set, MIDI
> equipment.... )
> Do you have any idea how much 1 hour in a recording studio costs ?
> BTW, another q. how many full-time musicians do you know ?
> And why do you think they are so few ?

There may not be many full-time musicians but FYI there never were, even a 
long time before the Internet boom and before P2P became prevalent. For every 
band that is even moderately successful there are many bands that never 
really take off.

I realize studio time, mixing and mastering equipment or software etc. costs a 
lot of money, but the amount it takes to produce the first version of a song 
is a constant investment, and distributing over the Internet does not cost 
you more money per unit. (as opposed to say material products).

> I conclude: because copyright is not kept well :)

If this were a case, can you point to an International artist who made it big, 
and wasn't a commercial success because everyone downloaded his songs in the 
Internet?

Regards,

        Shlomi Fish

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