Just talked to Netvision Asakim support -
He was knowlegable  - ran `mtr` on his workstation and saw the packet loss.

He explained that "there is no problem" and that the core routers are
dropping the ping packets based on the amount of load on the router.
He explained that the router should only be dropping ICMP packets.

I got to them by calling support (  04-856-0550 ?) and telling them
that there is a problem with their core network.

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Michael Tewner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK - I decided to give this a look, because I'm not happy with my
>  transfer speeds -
>
>  I ran mtr from work (Netvision 5Mbit(?) ) to my home IP (Hot+Netvision):
>  4. vl100.coresw1.hfa.nv.net.il
>                  23.0%   279   10.7  15.2   8.2 172.4  15.2
>   5. ge1-7.coresw1.ptk.nv.net.il
>                   17.2%   279   10.8  16.1  10.6  98.1  12.1
>   6. clr1.cab01.ptk.nv.net.il
>                    0.0%   279   12.8  18.9  10.5 109.8  16.4
>   7. ???
>
>
>  That vl100.coresw1.hfa.nv.net.il  router is causing loss for every
>  host I've tried. www.cnn.com (~15%).
>
>  www.yahoo.com it's giving ~20% loss, and pos2-13.brdr1.lnd.nv.net.il
>  is giving another 10%.
>  www.google.com - vl100 is giving 16%, pos2-9.brdr1.lnd.nv.net.il  is
>  giving 26% loss.
>
>  Is this on purpose, or is this some type of shaping/QOS?
>
>  -mike
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > I use ADSL (5Mbit). My ISP: Netvision.
>  >
>  >  It seems that they also have some serious packet drops even from my
>  >  machine to Netvision! check this out: (problems are marked with
>  >  arrows)
>  >
>  >  /mtr -c 10 -r netvision.net.il
>  >  HOST: witch.dyndns.org            Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst 
> StDev
>  >   1. 192.168.1.1                   0.0%    10    1.3   0.9   0.7   1.4   
> 0.3
>  >   2. lo0.lns05.hfa.nv.net.il       0.0%    10   11.4  26.6  11.4 147.4  
> 42.5
>  >  -->>  3. vl201.coresw1.hfa.nv.net.il  30.0%    10   30.6  16.3  12.0
>  >  30.6   6.4 <<---
>  >   4. po41.srvc4.hfa.nv.net.il      0.0%    10   30.5  16.6  11.7  30.5   
> 7.4
>  >   5. ???                          100.0    10    0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   
> 0.0
>  >
>  >  /mtr -c 10 -r www.ynet.co.il
>  >  HOST: witch.dyndns.org            Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst 
> StDev
>  >   1. 192.168.1.1                   0.0%    10    0.8   0.9   0.7   1.4   
> 0.2
>  >   2. lo0.lns05.hfa.nv.net.il       0.0%    10   11.5  11.6  11.3  12.1   
> 0.2
>  >  -->>  3. vl201.coresw1.hfa.nv.net.il  40.0%    10   12.1  14.6  11.8
>  >  27.1   6.1 <<--
>  >   4. po41.srvc4.hfa.nv.net.il      0.0%    10   11.6  12.9  11.6  17.9   
> 2.1
>  >   5. 212.143.162.136               0.0%    10   14.2  13.2  11.4  16.3   
> 1.6
>  >
>  >  Hmm, I wonder if Netvision knows about this..
>  >
>  >  Hetz
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:10 PM, sara fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  > Hello Everyone
>  >  >
>  >  >  I am having major problem with packet loss at some hot server that
>  >  >  sits in tel aviv. www.dnsstuff.com revealed this info.
>  >  >
>  >  >  I would like to know how many people suffer from this problem.
>  >  >
>  >  >  For this task mtr program is needed. The program can be downloaded at
>  >  >  http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ .
>  >  >
>  >  >  The description of  the program is mtr  combines  the  functionality
>  >  >  of the traceroute and ping programs in a single network diagnostic
>  >  >  tool.
>  >  >
>  >  >    As mtr starts, it investigates the network connection between the
>  >  >  host mtr runs on and HOSTNAME.  by sending  packets  with  purposly
>  >  >  low  TTLs.  It  continues to send packets with low TTL, noting the
>  >  >  response time of the intervening routers.  This allows mtr to print
>  >  >  the  response  percentage  and response  times of the internet route
>  >  >  to HOSTNAME.  A sudden increase in packetloss or response time
>  >  >  is often an indication of a bad (or simply overloaded) link.
>  >  >
>  >  >  After installing this program please run the command mtr google.com or
>  >  >  even mtr walla.co.il mtr ynet.co.il
>  >  >
>  >  >  I got in all 3 urls ~75% packet loss at ip 213.57.43.199 and at
>  >  >  213.57.43.22 (or 14) another ~20% packet loss.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Please inform me how many people suffer from this problem and who is
>  >  >  their isp. Mine is 012. but the ips mentioned belong to hot.
>  >  >
>  >  >  I already talked with a nice technician at hot and he promissed to
>  >  >  give me an answer. Meanwhile at 012 tried to help me and in the end he
>  >  >  told me it's a operating sytem problem. I just hate to hear such
>  >  >  stupid excuses. I tried bot with and without iptables and it's the
>  >  >  same. Instead of solving the problem they blame the OS. And all this
>  >  >  happens with router or without.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Besides that, the first IP is actually border gateway.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Thanks for your help
>  >  >
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