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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Vipul Mathur wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 11:20:36AM +0545, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Vipul Mathur wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:52:14AM +0545, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> > > > If the policy of Debian, notably Debian Stable says not to fix packages
> > > > like gaim and similars (be it anyway, increasing version, backporting
> > > > patches) when problems occuer making them totally useles (take a look at
> > > > gaim -- it won't connect to Yahoo in the current version), the policy of
> > > > Debian does suck. Am I wrong ?????
> > >
> > > I am grateful it is that way! Other wise "stable" will loose its meaning.
> > > I use gaim all the time, and I use sid (a.k.a unstable). Period.
> > >
> > But everyone won't be technically sound like you nor would they have
> > that much of time to keep maintaining sid. Stable, just because it is
> > covered well by the S.D.O floks doesn't mean that they should eliminate
> > software functionality.
>
> Okay you lost me there. What "technical soundness" are you talking about?
> The process of keeping sid updated is almost the same as keeping stable
> updated. An occasional apt-get update; apt-get (dist-)upgrade; will do it
> for you. There is no rocket science here. One just has to be a little more
> carefull than stable.
>
>
Doesn't that "be a little more careful" sentence require you to be
having good expertise and experience with Debian ?
It is many a times told on Debian too that sid is mainly for experienced
users where as people concerning security and stability should consider stable.
My concern again is mainly with stable. I want to use stable. Why ?
Becuase of it's reputation. It doesn't break offen as sid and testing
do. Ya, you might say that that can be fixed. Again, you require
experience and expertise for all that. Does everyone have it ?

But, I or many people like me, who might be prefering to stick to stable
(they might think, "Oh! If I stick to stable, the only thing that I need
to do to get updated of SECURITY is "apt-get update && apt-get
upgrade""). Provided that security.debian.org is in your sources.list.

But what about usability ? Isn't gaim included in stable (woody), or
wouldn't it be included into sarge(when it get's into stable). What then
? If the problem (connectivity to Yahoo) again appears, what are we
going to do ?
Pinning ? Ah! again it would be a little more cumbersome for a normal
user.

OR

"Oh! some of the packages in Debian stable, because of it's POLICY remain
unusable." :-)


What would be the use of keeping such packages into the stable branch
when they aren't worth it ????

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