Linux-Misc Digest #374, Volume #18 Sun, 27 Dec 98 21:13:08 EST
Contents:
brothers in arm ("Sergei Gerasenko")
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Windows umulation (Matthew Malthouse)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Robert Kiesling)
Re: GUI Perl Debugger (Honza Pazdziora)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Mengmeng Zhang)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Floyd Davidson)
LS-120 SuperDisk (Rick Knebel)
RISC 6000 MACHINE ("Israel Ameh")
Re: Linux on an IBM ThinkPAD (Mark Forsyth)
Re: virus alert! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Problem with xstart and jumpy mouse - HELP!!! (Vinay Doma)
Re: book or lurking to learn linux? (J�rgen Spangen)
Re: The goal of Open Source (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Applix or Corel WP? Anyone using new version of Applix? (Rod Smith)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (Rob Clark)
weird backspace problem (Paolo Supino)
Re: Infringement of the GPL (brian moore)
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From: "Sergei Gerasenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: brothers in arm
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:57:28 -0500
Michael,
I haven't figured the problem yet. I have been bending backwards too! It's
driving me crazy. I posted a more detailed description once again with the
subject "Am I stupid or am I stupid..." from Sergei Gerasenko. So, check
under that one too. I looked at the messages from your log down below and
yeah, they look very similar. If you find something out, let me know too.
Cheers,
Sergei
>Sergei / Ed,
>
>I am having the exact same problem. Did you figure it out yet. If you
>do, could you please let me know. I have been banging my head trying to
>figure this one out.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael
>
>ps. I am not posting this question since I already have under another
>post.
>
>pps. My messages file looks like:
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:36:18 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
I am sure that if I say something totally off-the-wall, others will
correct me...
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>
> Linux experience in general far exceeds that of the windows. My
> anecdotal experience is quite strange again, it would appear. I have
> been using NT4 workstation for about 5 months now and it has locked up
> on me *once* and this occurred when using beta software. I have had no
> problems otherwise...no BSOD's. I guess this is why I cannot muster up
> the were withal to learn linux and migrate to it yet. A poor computing
> experience is not really a reason also taking into account that I am
> no programmer.:-/
From what I heard of WindowsNT from other people who use it a lot
(including myself), it is very stable under certain conditions --
namely, with certain hardware. If you got well-matched hardware, it's
smooth sailing; if you have a badly written device driver or two
hardware pieces that are slightly incompatible, you (like me with my
home PC, which is a patchwork of hardware) will keep having crashes
constantly (about 1/week for me).
The difference is that under Linux, such problems will usually not
bring down the system. if your video crashes, you can just kill X
(telnet in remotely at worst, if your keyboard is locked up); if your
soundcard module crashes, nothing major will happen either; etc.
NT is thus probably less stable because it relies much more heavily on
bells'n'whistles, while the barebone LInux is just a console, dependent
on nothing but text-mode video, keyboard, and the CPU -- linux simply is
critically dependent on much fewer subsystems that can go wrong.
P.S. This is in addition to the fact that Unix, being more mature, is
inherently more stable.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Malthouse)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Windows umulation
Date: 27 Dec 1998 20:30:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 27 Dec 1998 03:02:07 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
} In comp.unix.questions Steve Revilak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} : dstephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}
} :> 98 percent of the software that I like to use is 95 or Nt only. A lot of
}
} : This may be a silly notion, but has anyone written a windows emulator
}
} Wine http://www.winehq.com/ apparently does a pretty good job at
} Win3.1 and even does some of Win95 API. Don't expect good game
} performance, however.
}
} For a commercial app, try SoftWindows95
} http://www.insignia.com/softwindows/
} I believe they have access to the Windows source code and the result
} is acceptable. Once again performance suffers immensely due to
} emulation.
I used to use SoftWindows' Mac version extensively and didn't like it:
the "Windows" is modified to work with the emulation and so isn't
exactly like a Win95 edition. In contrast VirtualPC emulates the x86
and a real Win95 can be loaded. In fact one adventurous colleague put
VirtualPC on a Mac and then loaded RedHat 5.0 Linux for Intel onto the
emulator and it worked.
I haven't used SoftWindows for Unix for several reasons: I haven't got
as far as AIX 4.1.4 yet; and I think "Memory: 48MB required (64MB
recommended), Disk space: 180-290MB" a tad excessive. While their
Web site shows SW for AIX, Solaris and HP/UX I can't find any reference
to running it on linux and it does say that their builds are architecture
specific (and their search engine is broken).
Matthew
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Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Kiesling)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:05:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>steve mcadams wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:18:48 -0500, Victor Danilchenko
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Now step back and think about the situation in this light. You are
>> >demanding a right to forbid people to do stuff. You don't actually OWN
>> >anything (there is noTHING to own here) -- rather, you have been granted
>> >a right, a right to prevent people from doing certain things.
>> > Do you feel any different now?..
>>
>> If I spend a lot of time and effort determining the order the bits
>> need to be in to cause a certain function to happen, don't I have a
>> right to expect recompense for my efforts? Have I not created
>> something that is useful? -steve
>
> Yes, you most certainly have created something that is useful -- the
>point of distinction here is that, once you created it, it costs nothing
>to create other copies of it. Yes, you should be compensated for writing
>it -- however, once it is written, insisting upon charging money for
>something that costs nothing to you (costs nothing now, that you have
>written it) is not nice either. Remember, what you have created is an
>IDEA, not a thing -- an idea that the entire society can benefit from.
>FSF, in this respect, proposes a very utilitarian thing -- the greatest
>good for the greatest number, maximisation of overall utility.
No, I have not created an idea, I have created a specific
implementation of an idea. Ideas cannot be copyrighted or patented.
And that's not the end of it. The GPL also mentions that derivatives
should be in the spirit of the original work. I do not want to be
held responsible for something I never created nor would have created.
Certainly protecting myself against that, through licensing or
whatever, takes time, and should be compensated for.
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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.perl.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Honza Pazdziora)
Subject: Re: GUI Perl Debugger
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:23:02 GMT
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:20:57 -0800, Paul Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a windows based perl debugger for Linux? I know
> Activestate have released one for Microsoft Windows.
$ perl -MCPAN -e shell
cpan> install Devel::ptkdb
...
$ perl -d:ptkdb ./yourscript.pl
Hope this helps,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mengmeng Zhang)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 28 Dec 1998 00:13:52 GMT
Richard Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[snip]
: You can keep track, of course. 'tar -t' will tell you what's going
: to happen. 'make install' is the one that makes me nervous about losing
: track. If I really want to know, I 'touch' a file before doing it, and
: 'find / -newer <touched-file>' straight afterwards.
Why not just do a "make -n install"? Then, you can see exactly what is going
to happen. Of course, somebody could just hide it in a binary executable
that installs things, but that wouldn't be a very good way of distributing
packages in the first place. Most packages I've seen uses the standard
"install" command to install things, so it should be pretty easy to see where
things are going.
Just a thought,
MZhang
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 27 Dec 1998 23:36:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson wrote:
>
> Ummm, that's what "foreach" loops are for.
>
>cd /usr/X11R6/bin
>for i in /opt/kde/bin/*
> do
> ln -s $i
> done
>
> As easy to undo as it is to implement... And even allows you to keep
>record of where everything came from, in case you don't use some package
>management.
That is disgusting! Far better to just add to the PATH variable
in that case. (Well, at least for X11R6. I have never looked
at kde so I'm not sure about that one.)
Floyd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Knebel)
Subject: LS-120 SuperDisk
Date: 27 Dec 1998 21:00:48 GMT
Hi,
Does anyone know if the LS-120 SuperDisc is supported in Linux.
This would be an internal ide model?
Thanks
Rick
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From: "Israel Ameh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RISC 6000 MACHINE
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:55:39 -0500
Does anyone know if Linux can be installed on an IBM RISC 5000 machine? I
have a Bull variant of the IBM RISC 6000 type 7006 and I hate to junk it
since it only runs on IBM's AIX (As far as I am aware)
Any assistance will be appreciated
Israel
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From: Mark Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:13:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Linux on an IBM ThinkPAD
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing Linux is a piece of cheese. Getting X to run at any sort of
decent resolution is another matter entirely. I gave up and settled=20
for
second best, OS/2, on a Thinkpad 365XD.
Mark F...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 12/27/98, 6:55:16 PM, Shani Oren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote=20
regarding Linux on an IBM ThinkPAD:
> Hi,
> Has anyone installed Linux on an IBM ThinkPAD?
> If so, would love to get a recepie and some tips.
> Tnx,
> Oren Shani
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: virus alert!
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:59:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stuart Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Hustava
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> Virus Alert! Please Forward and Distribute Immediately!
> >> #F
> >> _______
> >> ____|__ | (R)
>
> ><Improper use of ASP logo snipped>
>
> >Go away little troll.
>
> Stupid hotmail spam. This is the last place I'd expect people like that.
>
> Seriously, are there any viruses for Linux? I imagine that it's going to
> be *slightly* harder to write one for Linux, than for Windows... :)
> --
> Stuart Brady
>
Yes, my children, there ARE viruses for Linux, however, you must note that
they are mostly rare....However, http://www.avpve.com - go there, and look at
win32/other os viruses....their's one or two virus DESCRIPTIONS of linux
viruses....Have fun! :)
Techno Phunk / Ti
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From: Vinay Doma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Problem with xstart and jumpy mouse - HELP!!!
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:04:21 -0600
Vinay Doma wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> I've tried to be as descriptive as possible, so forgive me if u think
> this posting is too long.
>
> I recently installed RedHat Linux 5.2 on my Gateway G6-400 and
> ran Xconfigurator. I figured out that my Video Card
> (Ensoniq AGP 16384K, that I got directly from Gateway) was
> not supported by XFree86. So I downloaded XBF_i740 from your
> ftp server and installed the package. I also downloaded the
> new xf86config and ran it to configure my system. I checked my
> video card documentation for all the required information. I made sure
> that I selected the correct mouse (MicroSoft Intellimouse (PS/2
> compatible)). I checked to make sure the file XF86Config and the links
> were all correct.
>
> On running startx, I got an X Window that had a huge screen
> area and my mouse was always kept jumping in the left top
> corner of my screen. I also couldn't change resolutions using
> Ctrl-Alt-+.
> I tried killing gpm and restarting startx, but it didn't
> work. I have enclosed the log file I got on running startx.
>
> Script started on Sat Dec 26 18:58:50 1998
> [root@localhost HOWTO]# startx
>
> XBF_i740 Version 1.0.0 / X Window System
> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
> Release Date: December 21 1998
> If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer
> than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
> problems. Please see ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/XBF/ for the
latest
> i740 server.
> Please report any problems to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> Operating System: Linux 2.0.35 i686 [ELF]
> Configured drivers:
> SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0):
> i740, i740_pci, generic
> (using VT number 7)
>
> XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config
> (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
> (**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(us)" (overrides other XKB settings)
> (**) Mouse: type: IntelliMouse, device: /dev/psaux, baudrate: 1200
> (**) Mouse: buttons: 3, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms)
> (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "Intel 740 (generic)"
> (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "My Monitor"
> (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted.
> (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted.
> (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted.
> (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted.
> (**) FontPath set to
>
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
> (--) SVGA: PCI: 3Dfx Banshee rev 3, Memory @ 0xf4000000, 0xfc000000,
I/O
> @ 0x9000
> (--) SVGA: chipset: generic
> (--) SVGA: videoram: 64k
> (--) SVGA: clocks: 25.18
> (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666
> (--) SVGA: Using builtin driver modes
> (--) SVGA: Builtin Mode: 320x200
> (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 320x204
> (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024
> System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 1 -R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb
> -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:"
-emp
> "> " -eml "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server"
> keymap/xfree86 compiled/xfree86.xkm'
> Warning: /dev/psaux unable to get status of mouse fd (Inappropriate
> ioctl for device)
> xinit: connection to X server lost.
>
> waiting for X server to shut down
>
> [root@localhost HOWTO]# exit
> Script done on Sat Dec 26 18:59:12 1998
>
> Please HELP!!!!
>
> Thanks, Vinay Doma
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Vinay,
I had some similar problem just recently when moved from serial mouse to
ps/2. And took me some frustrating hours to fix it !!!
I am almost sure that you selected the wrong type of mouse from the XF86
config utility.
One possible solution to try the ps/2 and see what happens.
But I actually made the X11 working with gpm (I just couldn't live
without the easy cut and paste).
Here what I suggest to check:
1. First make sure that your mouse works on the consol using gpm of
course....
2. Adjust your script rc.local (well you are running RedHat so it might
called different) where gpm is started...
gpm -R -m /dev/psaux -t ps2
3. Then edit your XF86Config file like this .... (of course keep a
backup just in case)
...
Section "Pointer"
Protocol "BusMouse"
Device "/dev/gpmdata"
Emulate3Timeout 20
Emulate3Buttons
EndSection
Most of this I figured out from the gpm man pages except that you have
to select Portocol "BusMouse" rather then ps2 !!!
I hope this helps....
Gabor
Also, would you mind to post this to the newsgroup (I do not have access
at this point to post my normal newsserver is havning some difficulties
so I connect to a read-only one for now. Thanks)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J�rgen Spangen)
Subject: Re: book or lurking to learn linux?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 21:46:33 GMT
what abut buy 1 off those archive cds then ?
wher u can get whole ftp sunsite faqs.howto and the document projectes
on a cd ?
imsted off lurkinr becuse u spend a lot on modem time toio just
dowenloead trahs ... (btw is it any program/comand in linux who make
it possibel too subscripe too dirent theared in dirent groupes insted
off whole usenetgroupes?
insted off buying a booek (i just orderd linux for dummyes now:)
On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:06:05 -0600, Codifex Maximus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"J�rgen Spangen" wrote:
>
>> hi is it ehug too just lurking in linux newsgroupes or do i have to
>> buy linux for dummis or somthing like that when u going to install
>> linux red hat 5 and dont know anything abut linux ? when i gone
>> install kde and use it too e mail(btw what are best e mail for linux?)
>> is it any papers on how to learn perl on red hat cd rom ?
>> EVRYTHING IS JUST A SATE OF MIND
>
>Lurk all you want and buy books too. Better yet, install Linux on a
>machine and use it.
>Help is available in many different ways including:
>man <command>
>info <command>
><command> --help
>/usr/doc/HOWTO
>Linux Documentation Project.
>newsgroups
>Manufacturer Support.
>Books - There are many fine PERL books published by O'Reilley's -
>available via mail order. Try LinuxMall and CheapBytes.
EVRYTHING IS JUST A SATE OF MIND
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:22:53 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
steve mcadams wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:18:48 -0500, Victor Danilchenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Now step back and think about the situation in this light. You are
> >demanding a right to forbid people to do stuff. You don't actually OWN
> >anything (there is noTHING to own here) -- rather, you have been granted
> >a right, a right to prevent people from doing certain things.
> > Do you feel any different now?..
>
> If I spend a lot of time and effort determining the order the bits
> need to be in to cause a certain function to happen, don't I have a
> right to expect recompense for my efforts? Have I not created
> something that is useful? -steve
Yes, you most certainly have created something that is useful -- the
point of distinction here is that, once you created it, it costs nothing
to create other copies of it. Yes, you should be compensated for writing
it -- however, once it is written, insisting upon charging money for
something that costs nothing to you (costs nothing now, that you have
written it) is not nice either. Remember, what you have created is an
IDEA, not a thing -- an idea that the entire society can benefit from.
FSF, in this respect, proposes a very utilitarian thing -- the greatest
good for the greatest number, maximisation of overall utility.
In short, "the right thing" is to have a different compensation model
from the current commercial software -- and FSF have one (sell services,
not ideas). Whether this ethical point will be taken is a different
matter...
P.S. I have just finished reading Dawkins's "The Selfish Gene". He has a
very interesting example there -- how a society of "hawks" (aggressors)
and "doves" (passives) balances out. Turns out that the the state to
which such a society will naturally lean, is a not very good one. A much
better overall benefit might be arrived at by implementing artificial
conventions. FSF is proposing such a convention, which will lead to a
greater overall society good than the current model.
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:49:43 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Destrius wrote:
>
> ...and it was written on the heavens that on Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:42:59 GMT,
> the entity named Anthony Ord ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> inscribed the following words in comp.os.linux.misc:
>
> >If lightning struck my computer, I would need a new window, new
> >curtains, a new desk, and I would be picking solidfied metal out of
> >the carpet. The fact that it didn't boot, would be the least of my
> >troubles. ;-)
> -clip-
>
> You would also be too busy praying to $DIETY for still being alive to
> actually notice. :)
Hmmm... An interesting idea -- defining $DEITY... Perhaps
export DEITY=`whoami`
or maybe even
export DEITY=/dev/null
I can almost see a series similar to "religions: how shit happens"
(remember, a-la "taoism: what is the sound of shit happening?"):
Egoism: export DEITY=`whoami`
Deism: export DEITY=/dev/null
Atheism: export DEITY=
Satanism: export DEITY=/proc/666
Xianity: export DEITY=/son:/father:/spook
Islam: for i in `printenv | cut -d= -f1`; do export $i= ; done; export
DEITY="allah"
Roman paganism: import DEITY
Hinduism: export DEITY=$DEITY (or true recursive def, perhaps?.. in
C?..)
Buddhism: export DEITY=`umount /`
Taoism: export DEITY=`cat core`
etc...
I wonder if adding this to my bashrc will protect me from lightning...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Applix or Corel WP? Anyone using new version of Applix?
Date: 28 Dec 1998 01:26:49 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phillip Deackes) writes:
>
> I have downloaded Corel WP 5 and like it a lot,
I assume you mean WP8.
> but I also like
> Applixware (I have version 4.3.7). Has anyone upgraded to the latest
> Applix? If so, can you give me some idea of how different it is from the
> version I have.
I've upgraded to 4.4.1, but haven't really used it a lot. I've not seen
any differences in the word processing module (which is what I mostly
use), though I know they exist. There are more and better file
import/export filters, for instance. If you go to the Applix web site
(http://www.applix.com), you can find instructions for joining the
ApplixWare mailing list. You may find this helpful.
> What do those of you using Applix / Corel WP 8 think?
In general, Applix is more stable than WP 7, but WP 8 has been far better
than WP 7 for me -- probably on a par with Applix. Applix SEEMS like a
simpler program, and it is, but Applix seems simpler at first glance than
it is. It's got a cleaner (and cruder-looking) user interface design than
what WP has, and this tends to hide the program's abilities from a casual
observer.
For most types of writing, I'd say both programs are good choices. If you
have specific needs, please specify what they are (as you do below).
> Does anyone know if the text manipulation features of Corel WP for
> Windows 95 will be available in the retail version for Linux? You know -
> the 'Word Art' like module which allows you to manipulate text into
> shapes etc. very easily.
I'm afraid I can't help you there, since I've never used features like
that. The most I've done is to rotate text 90 degrees (WP does that
nicely; with Applix, the only way I found to do it was to do it in the
draw module and import that as a graphic image into the Applix Words
document).
--
Rod Smith
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:34:39 GMT
In article <766d1l$22g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sergei Gerasenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've been working on this problem for 4 days already. I've had three nights
>when I went to bed at 8 a.m.! Here is the problem. I bought a RedHat
[..]
>connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS2 (pretty lively too:-)
>channel ppp0 closing (Oh, oh!)
>hangup (SIGHUP)
>modem hangup
>connection terminated
>exit
1. Get some sleep. ;)
2. Find out if your ISP is using PAP or CHAP authemtication.
3. Include 'debug' as a PPP option.
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
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From: Paolo Supino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: weird backspace problem
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:00:18 +0200
Hi
I have weird problem with a backspace on a computer running RedHat
5.1:
If you press the 'backspace' key in a netscape navigator window, it
won't backup. I tried changing erase from ^? (Red Hat's default control
character setting) to ^H (which is usually the control character for
backspace) but it didn't help. Chaning it back to the default didn't
help either. Another place where this is affected is vi: In 'INSERT'
mode the backspace key doesn't really go back. But if I'm not in INSERT
mode backspace takes the role of 'x' (erasing the character highlighted)
instead of simply moving left in the line without doing anything to it.
This happens only on 1 computer out of 10 computers with the same
configuration. If you think you know the solution please email me.
TIA
Paolo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 27 Dec 1998 22:03:18 GMT
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:33:30 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> steve mcadams writes:
>
> > He supports himself writing software that he then gives away?
>
> No, he supports himself writing software that people pay him to write (and
> also, I assume, supporting free software).
Although RMS is one of the major forces behind gcc: much of gcc's
development was funded by chip manufacturers (what good is a CPU when
nothing runs on it?). So, yes, RMS was paid to write code that he
could give away.
> > I guess I'm stupider than average, cause I just simply don't get this.
>
> Free speech, not free beer.
Which is what it really boils down to.
> > Why? What has made you think it's a good thing?
>
> Microsoft. And Linux.
Indeed. Slavery or Freedom. Microsoft, by being very naughty, has done
wonders for Free Software by showing just how evil proprietary software
is.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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