Linux-Misc Digest #393, Volume #18 Tue, 29 Dec 98 08:13:11 EST
Contents:
My MEMORY GOBBLER Redhat (5.1/5.2) setup! Help requested!! ("Motakuri V. Ramana")
Re: hpterm client under RedHat5.X ("T.E.Dickey")
sendmail problem (Kermit)
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Michael Powe)
newbie question! ("Peter C.T. Lee")
Re: Windows umulation (Mike Bristow)
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Michael Humphries-Dolnick)
gnome & windows manager (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mat=EDas?= Orchard V.)
Re: Pussy shot from behind 1232 (David Steuber)
Re: sendmail problem (David Steuber)
Re: How to use Find (David Steuber)
Re: The goal of Open Source (David Steuber)
shell function like ASCII & CHAR of Fortran77 ? (Nguyen-Dai Quy)
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:03:19 -0600
From: "Motakuri V. Ramana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.lnux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: My MEMORY GOBBLER Redhat (5.1/5.2) setup! Help requested!!
Hi folks,
About 4 months ago, I was "baptised" into the "Linux cult" by my
co-worker (my previous default OSs were several variants of
SUNOS/Solaris). It didn't take me long to become a "true believer";
Linux is a truly special (yeah, I am computer/math geek too :)) OS !
However,
there is one annoying problem that I am facing, and which I'd like to
get to the
bottom of. I will order my "I LOVE LINUX" bumper sticker after doing so
:)
Both my desktop@work and laptop@home (and on train) seem to have a
voracious appettite for memory and more alarmingly, they do not seem to
free up
the memory after the process has been terminated.
First, here is the setup info:
Desktop:
400 MHz P-II Powerspec PC
128Mb RAM
Redhat Linux 5.1 (official box set)
128Mb swap
KDE ver 1.0 desktop installed
Laptop:
300 MHz P-ii Dell Inspiron 3200
~112Mb RAM (strange RAM size, but true)
Redhat Linux 5.2 (from McMillan publ).
110Mb swap
KDE ver 1.0 desktop installed
Secondly, here are the syptoms of the problem (applies to both
machines):
1) Things seem to be taking way too much memory.
- after booting up and logging in, usually it takes up about 20Mb
memory.
- starting up kde, another 20Mb is gobbled up (fvwm is less hungry, it
takes up
7-12Mb)
- emacs takes up 3-10 Mb
- netscape 7-15 Mb
2) After a process is terminated, the memory is not always freed up.
3) So, after 3-5 logins, most of my RAM is eaten up and "leaked" away
and then we are onto swap space which, as you all know, makes the
machine slower than a snail. Ofcourse, this has disastrous
consequences on the battery life on my laptop (talking of which, it
appears that the HD on my laptop is continuously spinning, even when
it is not accessed. Anyway, more on this trouble later on).
I will attach the outputs of "free" and "ps ax" at the end of this
message.
This disturbing phenomenon doesn't seem to occur on my co-worker's
desktop that runs Caldera openlinux (dunno which version).
I am suspecting that the main culprit is symptom (2) above. I only
explanation I can comeup with is that some system program is
"malloc"ing memory but it is not "free"ing it. Since Caldera seem to
be working fine, is it a problem with Redhat distribution (their
patches etc). I will contact Redhat after I receive some response from
the newsgroups.
My questions are the following:
1) Do any other Redhat user have the same problem?
2) If it is not a generic Redhat problem, do you see anything fishy in
my
"ps ax" output (see below)?
3) Are there any modifications to either the kernel (via recompilation)
or the init
scripts such as rc.sysinit and rc.local files that may fix the
problem?
One possibility which I might explore is to repartition my desktop (it
has loads of HD space in the Win98 partition which I rarely visit) and
install Caldera on that partition. But, I like Redhat and would rather
not invest a week or longer to get Caldera up and running, and so a fix
to my existing installation would be tremendously more desirable.
I will appreciate any comments/suggestions and help. If there is any
information in the replies
I get which I think might help other people, I will post a summary to
the newsgroups as well
as try to upload it to some linux site.
Many thanks in advance. Also, thanks to all of you Linux/GNU/KDE
developers and enthusiasts (and, of course to Linus and Richard
Stallman) for making possible a wonderful OS like Linux.
best wishes,
Ram
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ps: please excuse me for posting this to 4 newsgroups. My intention is
to generate as many responses as possible.
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"top" (sorted by resident mem usage) output as I write this note:
10:36am up 6 days, 16:30, 5 users, load average: 0.15, 0.04, 0.01
71 processes: 67 sleeping, 4 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 22.6% user, 41.5% system, 0.0% nice, 36.1% idle
Mem: 127796K av, 125240K used, 2556K free, 77212K shrd, 27240K buff
Swap: 128484K av, 0K used, 128484K free 57072K
cached
PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT LIB %CPU %MEM TIME
COMMAND
8287 root 2 0 13036 12M 1736 R 0 0.6 10.2 0:19 X
8518 ramana 0 0 10536 10M 6612 S 0 0.0 8.2 0:03
netscape-com
8506 root 0 0 10400 10M 6692 S 0 0.0 8.1 0:00
netscape-com
8490 root 1 0 4456 4456 2588 S 0 0.0 3.4 0:00 emacs
8296 ramana 0 0 4240 4240 2928 S 0 0.0 3.3 0:00 kfm
8300 ramana 0 0 4204 4204 2792 S 0 0.0 3.2 0:01
kpanel
8357 root 0 0 3880 3880 2740 S 0 0.0 3.0 0:00 kppp
8354 ramana 0 0 3720 3720 2592 S 0 0.0 2.9 0:00
knotes
8299 ramana 0 0 3440 3440 2364 S 0 0.0 2.6 0:00
krootwm
8301 ramana 1 0 3348 3348 2380 R 0 0.0 2.6 0:02 kwm
8298 ramana 0 0 3332 3332 2280 S 0 0.0 2.6 0:00
kbgndwm
8295 ramana 0 0 3260 3260 2216 S 0 0.0 2.5 0:00
kwmsound
8528 ramana 0 0 2688 2688 2340 S 0 0.0 2.1 0:00
netscape-com
8516 root 0 0 2640 2640 2296 S 0 0.0 2.0 0:00
netscape-com
8294 ramana 0 0 2556 2556 1560 S 0 0.0 2.0 0:00
kaudioserver
8302 ramana 0 0 2524 2524 1516 S 0 0.0 1.9 0:00
maudio
8359 root 0 0 2368 2368 1244 S 0 0.0 1.8 0:00 xterm
8353 root 15 0 2124 2124 1236 R 0 63.1 1.6 0:09 xterm
8351 root 0 0 2076 2076 1212 S 0 0.0 1.6 0:00 xterm
8352 root 0 0 2060 2060 1204 S 0 0.0 1.6 0:00 xterm
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"free" output.
[root@gomory memory]# free
total used free shared buffers
cached
Mem: 127796 125168 2628 76908 27240
57072
-/+ buffers/cache: 40856 86940
Swap: 128484 0 128484
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"ps ax" output
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 ? S 0:03 init [3]
2 ? SW 0:00 (kflushd)
3 ? SW< 0:00 (kswapd)
60 ? S 0:00 /sbin/kerneld
241 ? S 0:00 syslogd
250 ? S 0:00 klogd
272 ? S 0:00 crond
295 ? S 0:00 inetd
306 ? S 0:00 lpd
322 ? S 0:00 sendmail: accepting connections on port 25
334 ? S 0:00 gpm -t ps/2
345 ? S 0:00 httpd
377 ? S 0:00 nmbd -D
389 ? S 0:00 nmbd -D
392 2 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty2
393 3 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty3
394 4 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty4
395 5 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty5
396 6 S 0:00 /sbin/mingetty tty6
398 ? S 0:00 update (bdflush)
8287 ? S 0:20 /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwrapper :0
8351 1 S 0:00 xterm -n console
8352 1 S 0:00 xterm
8353 1 S 0:17 xterm -T root -foreground black -background pink -e
su
8357 1 S 0:00 kppp
8359 1 S 0:00 xterm
8362 p0 S 0:00 su
8474 p0 S 0:00 bash
8490 p0 S 0:00 emacs note1.txt
8491 p4 S 0:00 /bin/bash -i
8506 p0 S 0:00 /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator
8516 p0 S 0:00 (dns helper)
8578 p0 R 0:00 ps ax
8579 p0 R 0:00 bash
283 ? S 0:00 portmap
261 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd
6915 ? S 0:00 httpd
6916 ? S 0:00 httpd
6917 ? S 0:00 httpd
6918 ? S 0:00 httpd
6919 ? S 0:00 httpd
6920 ? S 0:00 httpd
6921 ? S 0:00 httpd
6922 ? S 0:00 httpd
6923 ? S 0:00 httpd
6924 ? S 0:00 httpd
8259 1 S 0:00 /bin/login -- ramana
8272 1 S 0:00 -tcsh
8285 1 S 0:00 sh /usr/X11R6/bin/startx
8286 1 S 0:00 xinit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc --
8290 1 S 0:00 sh /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
8293 1 S 0:00 sh /opt/kde/bin/startkde
8294 1 S 0:00 kaudioserver
8295 1 S 0:00 kwmsound
8296 1 S 0:00 kfm
8298 1 S 0:00 kbgndwm
8299 1 S 0:00 krootwm
8300 1 S 0:01 kpanel
8301 1 S 0:02 kwm
8302 1 S 0:00 maudio -media 129
8304 1 S 0:00 -bin/tcsh -c xterm -n console
8305 1 S 0:00 -bin/tcsh -c xterm
8306 1 S 0:00 -bin/tcsh -c xterm -T root -foreground black
-background pin
8307 1 S 0:00 -bin/tcsh -c xterm
8308 1 S 0:00 -bin/tcsh -c kppp
8309 1 S 0:00 -bin/tcsh -c knotes -knotes_restore
8354 1 S 0:00 knotes -knotes_restore
8361 p1 S 0:00 -csh
8363 p2 S 0:00 -csh
8364 p3 S 0:00 -csh
8518 p3 S 0:03 /usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator
/usr/doc/HTML/index.
8528 p3 S 0:00 (dns helper)
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.sys.hp.hpux
Subject: Re: hpterm client under RedHat5.X
Date: 29 Dec 1998 12:13:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development.system Bruce Mohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've always just FTP'd (binary mode) the terminfo entries from an HP system
> to the Linux boxes and they seem to work just fine. For example, on an HP-UX
> 10.20 system, copy /usr/share/lib/terminfo/d/dtterm (for CDE) and
> /usr/share/lib/terminfo/h/hpterm (for VUE) to the corresponding terminfo
> directories on your Linux boxen.
that probably works (I don't have a 10.x system - nor a 9.x system any
longer). But it wouldn't have worked under 9.x since the terminfo formats
were a little bit incompatible.
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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Subject: sendmail problem
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kermit)
Date: 28 Dec 1998 08:38:58 -0500
I'm installing RedHat linux 2.0.34.
Everything works fine except sendmail. When it is started as a daemon if fails
with the following message:
problem creating SMTP socket
NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: cannot bind: address already in use
Any suggestions? please post replies as i can neither send or receive mail.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 29 Dec 1998 01:43:58 -0800
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>>>>> "steve" == steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Again, you're mis-reading my post, and I don't appreciate the
>> implied comparison of myself with Hitler.
steve> Apologies. Whenever someone says the individual should
steve> suffer so mankind can benefit, that's who comes to mind. I
steve> regret that you were offended. -steve
And why does it have to be 'either or'? Why is it that you see
benefits to society as being anathema to benefits to the individual?
Why is it when you think 'benefit to the individual' you see only
money?
Really, I can't see it. Or, to be more precise, it just looks more of
the same old 'keep your hands off my stack' mentality that has made
the world such a shithole.
You know, I'm sitting here listening to the chorale in Beethoven's 9th
symphony. A composer who went deaf -- a physically unprepossessing
man who could not inspire love in the women he loved -- a man who saw
his beloved nephew turn away from him -- at the end of a life filled
with personal pain to match the public triumphs -- orchestrates in his
final and greatest masterpiece the `Ode to Joy'. It wasn't money that
motivated him. The power of the joy that overflows in the 9th
Symphony did not well up from the desire to get rich or wear fancy
clothes.
What could be worse to a musician/composer than to lose one's hearing?
Yet, Beethoven was completely deaf when he composed the 9th & never
heard it performed. But, he didn't have to. It was something he
created out of the need to create. He `heard' it in his head. `Ode
to Joy.' It seems to me that we all could learn a lesson from that
greatness of spirit.
Steve, I'm thankful there are many programmers that do not agree with
your ideas; it is only because of them that I am able to do what I am
doing now. Without free software, there would be no WWW such as we
know it. It would be the private domain of the well-heeled who could
afford to pay for it. There'd be no linux as we know it; there'd be
no usenet. It's the repudiation of that pay-and-pay-and-pay mentality
that enables us to even have this conversation. When I wanted to
study Scheme or SmallTalk, they made it possible for me to do so --
since I would not have had the necessary hundreds of dollars to invest
in books and software.
I humbly suggest that the next time you're feeling lousy about your
job, you take a look around and see all the many people who are worse
off. At least you have within your power to give back something to
the software community that benefits you so much. If only you would
do so.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: "Peter C.T. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: newbie question!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:20:47 -0600
HI,
I installed some source files RPM, something like ***.src.rpm,
however, I couldn't find them in RPM manager (glint). Could someone
tell me why this type of rpm couldn't be seen by glint, and other normal
rpm files could....... How do I delete those .src.rpm after
I installed them? If I compile, make install source files myself, how
do I uninstall those files cleanly later on?
Thanks in advance!
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From: Mike Bristow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Windows umulation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:58:58 +0000
Tom Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The WINE project seeks to run Win16 and Win32 binaries under x86 Unix
> implementations via emulation. That project is more than than five
> years old but is still not in alpha release.
s/not//
(or it is in Alpha release. Just not any further...)
--
oderint dum metuant
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Humphries-Dolnick)
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:55:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Damien Kick wrote:
Snipping liberally...
>
> Why would a company go looking for a lawsuit?
Why would any? Yet they do...
--
Michael Humphries-Dolnick
"If opinions are expressed in this communication,
those opinions may not represent those of
my employer."
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mat=EDas?= Orchard V. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: gnome & windows manager
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:57:38 -0400
Hi there:
why does GNome have not incorporated a windows manager?
why can't I have folders on my desktop like under KDE?
which windows manager do you recommend to use under gnome?
thanks a lot,
--
Mat=EDas Orchard V.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 460589
why reboot? use Linux.
Red Hat 5.2 ~ kernel 2.0.36 ~ KDE 1.0
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pussy shot from behind 1232
Date: 29 Dec 1998 06:46:34 -0500
Norman Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> Is there no way to stop people from using a Linux newsgroup like this.
There sure is. You track them down and kill them, execution style.
Leave a note behind explaining why they had to die. If you are stupid
enough to get caught, make sure you get some jurors who use usenet or
AOL. They won't convict you.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sendmail problem
Date: 29 Dec 1998 06:41:15 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kermit) writes:
-> I'm installing RedHat linux 2.0.34.
-> Everything works fine except sendmail. When it is started as a daemon if fails
-> with the following message:
->
-> problem creating SMTP socket
-> NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): opendaemonsocket: cannot bind: address already in use
->
-> Any suggestions? please post replies as i can neither send or receive mail.
Perhaps you installed another smtp server or you never started it in
the first place. Well, the second is less likely.
telnet hostname 25
See what the heck is using port 25, the smtp port.
The typicak greeting to give is
HELO myhostname
See RFC-821 (I think) for SMTP. Just skim it for the commands.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to use Find
Date: 29 Dec 1998 05:45:09 -0500
Daniel Bredy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> Subject says it all -- how do I use this damn command so that I can find
->
-> a file which a program I am trying to install seems to think doesn't
-> exist.
-> As is usual with Linux commands the man pages are a great help --- NOT!
->
-> Please send e-mail as I rarely read this group.
Find is a fairly complex command with a lot of capabilities. You
should really study the manpage to learn it.
My most frequent use looks like this:
find . -name filename
This searches the cwd and all subdirectorys for the file.
A much faster method is to use the locate command. It relies on a
database being kept up to date.
As route, run:
updatedb
After a while, you have an up to date database of all your files.
updatedb should be in cron.daily.
Once you have done this, you can do:
locate filename
filename is actaully a regexp. But you can just use exactly what you
are looking for.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: 29 Dec 1998 06:17:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams) writes:
-> On 27 Dec 1998 19:41:25 -0500, David Steuber
-> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
->
-> > By making it open source, without necessarily releasing
-> >control of it, programmers can have others do their debugging for
-> >them.
->
-> How do you make it "open source" without necessarily releasing control
-> of it? I admit to being inexpert at the "open source" concept but
-> this sounds like a contradiction.
It's not. Trolltech, for example, has/had a license for the QT
library that KDE uses that required that you didn't change the code.
Also, code using it had to be GPL. I think the intent was to avoid
forking of the library. Trolltech also had a larger profesional
library that was not open in any way.
-> About the only thing I've concluded so far is that the philosophy
-> expressed by Richard Stallman is diametrically opposed to my concept
-> of freedom. I don't know that his is the only view of "open source",
-> but it could be for all I do know. -steve
RMS is not the only voice. His attitudes seem to lean fairly strongly
towards Marxism (not communism, there is a distinction). He has been
clever enough to use copyright laws to force GPL code to be open
source to the point where derived works must also be GPL. BSD is also
open source, but you can create a closed source derived work. You
must provide a banner that says it is a derived work. Public domain
software is even less restrictive. You can do what you like with it.
I sense from your posts that you have already made up your mind. You
are free to do as you wish with your work. No one can force you to do
open source if you do not incorperate or derive from GPL code in your
work. What you need to discover is whether you can earn a living as
an ISV. I personaly doubt that I can. You may well be a far more
tallented programmer than I. I haven't sold anything to the general
public like you have.
I think that natural evolution will favor the open source variations.
This means, for me, adapting to that reality so that I don't follow up
requests with, "would you like fries with that?"
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: Nguyen-Dai Quy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: shell function like ASCII & CHAR of Fortran77 ?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:54:40 +0100
Hi,
I would like to look for a shell function (ksh). This function takes a single
character as argument, and returns an integer value. Like ASCII function in
Fortran77.
For example: ASCII("A")=65; ASCII("9")=57;...
And the reverse function (like CHAR of Fortran77) takes an integer argument and
returns a single character. For example : CHAR(65)=A
Thanks very much.
______________________________________________
Nguyen-Dai Quy
LTAS - M�canique de la Rupture, ULG.
Rue Ernest Solvay 21, B�t C3, B 4000, Li�ge, Belgique
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