Linux-Misc Digest #392, Volume #18 Tue, 29 Dec 98 07:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: How to use Find ("dan pellerin")
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page (brian moore)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (Marc)
Re: RVPlayer plugin for Netscape (Taso Hatzi)
Re: Trouble getting GIMP 1.0.2 to compile (Daniel Bredy)
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page (Steve Mading)
Re: UMAX Astra 1220P Scanner (John Hong)
IP Masquerading ("!Xabbu")
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Floyd Davidson)
Re: SuSE or RedHat (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Floyd Davidson)
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From: "dan pellerin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to use Find
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:58:32 -0600
According to my Linux in a Nutshell
find / -name name.of.file -print
dan
Daniel Bredy wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Subject says it all -- how do I use this damn command so that I can find
>a file which a program I am trying to install seems to think doesn't
>exist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: 29 Dec 1998 06:38:10 GMT
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:45:36 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My point is that quota system is very difficult to implement cleanly. And
> there will be ways to cheat them How about creating fifo and storing the data
> ? If your system has uptime in years then you can safely store mega bytes
Not likely.
Have you tried this?
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:50:24 GMT
Sheesh I did not think that I was going to raise such a fuss when I initially responded
to this person. the point I was making is that nothing is easy in life. we spend our
time trying to make it easier (kppp) but we must not forget that when you get too easy
you forget things. (most people can drive a car,,but a lot cannot do simple things such
as pump thier own gas or check the oil)I have learned more about TCP networking by
setting up Linux and using it for such things as IP masquerading and routing then I
have
in 3 years of being an NT admin. I'm not saying that NT in and of itself is bad or
evil. My problem is not with the software but rather the practices of the company that
wrote it. I am one who believes that when you sell something you should charge a fair
price for it. Go look at a version of Microsoft Visual Basic 5.0, it retails for a
little under a thousand dollars. but if you want to learn how to use it and you are a
student then you can buy it for $200??? or $99 (i've seen it as cheap as that in some
college bookstores) why the descrepancy? some say it's cause microsoft cares about
education? mabye...
Microsoft sells NT for an outrageous price, and then if something goes wrong you have
to
PAY them for them to support it... some vendors of Linux do this also,,but they do not
charge an outrageous price for their software,....does anyone else aside from myself
see
anything wrong with this??also, if you want to expand your windows NT network, you have
to pay for additional "client access licences" which translates to "if your network
grows, we will do nothing but send you a bill" no extra software,,no extra support no
special tools to help,,just a bill..why????!!. Unix has not this limitation. etc
etc.....
This are just a few reasons why I put up with the "typical Unix Junk"
and as DrGreer said "What is more important then learning"
think about it,,
Marc
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Darren Greer wrote:
> On 28 Dec 1998 04:56:46 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> -->>over $700
> -->>for a 5 CLIENT licence of server,,,and server can;t do HALF the things that
> -->>>Linux
> -->>can do right out of the box.
> -->
> -->it can at least dial out. more than what new Linux users can do on Linux.
> -->we are also talking about a user PC here. not a server. as in home use.
> If you cant get Linux to dial out....either
> a) your hardware is screwed up (or not supported)
> b) your new and itll take you a little bit (be patient.....in
> that you will learn as well)
>
> I cant stand people who if they cannot get something to work in 15
> minutes they give up. I mean, come on, how do plan on learnign
> anything in Windows when all you do is the following to create a new
> connection:
> a) new connection
> b) name
> c) number
> d) DNS
>
> Now tell me...what have we learned here that is going to help us in
> the future. Nothing.
>
> I agree with a previous post, that in order to learn things we need to
> get down to a lower level.
>
> -->
> -->> My SuSE 5.3 cost me $1.95 for the GPL version.
> -->
> -->this can not be the official Suse box. no manual I assume. Suse sell this for
> -->about $50. if you want just the CD's, I could have sold them for you for
> -->50 cents. I have a CD writer (on Windows offcourse since the Linux one
> -->does not work), and will be happy to do that.
> All the manuals are ONLINE....or ON THE CD. Why would you spend an
> extra $48 to get something that you will have on the CD for $2.00.
> Again....showing your lazyness, you must have the book. Printing a
> PPP-HOWTO, or view it, is too difficult.
>
> -->
> -->>how much is MS developers studio??? $3000? $2000???? how muchare the equivalent
> -->>tools in linux???? $free ????
> -->>
> -->
> -->yes, but at least people can dial out from Windows.
> So lets say it takes you 1 week to get PPP to work on Linux. And it
> takes you 5 mins on NT. Ok....so your saying an extra $2000 is worth
> being able to dial out.....give me a break...you ARE lazy. How bout
> this...you get linux....pay me $2000 and I will set it up for you.
>
> -->>> > This is a typical Unix junk that we have to live with. If you think
> -->>>> setting up a PPP on Linux is hard, try it on Solaris. May be there in 2 weeks
> -->>> > you'll get it working (assuming you'll skip sleeping).
> -->>>
> -->>
> -->>that's funny, my partner and I had a PPP connection on solaris up and running in
> -->>about 20 min,,,,
> -->>
> -->
> -->Sure. now tell us, were you a brand new user to Solaris when you did this?
> -->lets take 2 new users, who know nothing about computers, and put one
> -->in front of a windows box and one in front of a UNIX box, and lets see who
> -->can dial out using PPP first. I know where I'll put my money on.
> If you are a new user....and dont want to LEARN...then dont get *nix.
> If you want to join the dumbing down of America society of windows
> only users....be my guest. As for me....I like to learn, which is why
> I can Run OpenVMS, UNIX, LINUX, Windows NT, Windows95/98, and BeOS.
> It takes a lazy mind to ALWAYS take the easy road. Eventually if one
> wants to learn, or achieve higher goals, you have to choose "ability"
> over "useability".
>
> -->>> >
> -->>> > People brag and shout how wonderfull and powerfull UNIX is, yet when it
> -->>> > comes to a common task such as this, it failes on its face, becuase no
> -->>> > one wants to write a simple GUI tool to automate this task once and for
> -->>> > all. (no, I am not going to write this tool, becuase I am not the
> -->>> > one who is screeming how wonderfull Linux is).
> -->>> >
> -->>
> -->>actually there is,,it's called kppp and is only one of several that work well
> -->
> -->kppp does not come with red hat, offcourse you can always download it, expect
> -->you need to dial out first. lets see, need to dial to get kppp so one can
> -->dial out. very smart.
> -->
> -->>hmmm,,,you are right!~ the easy way is always the best way. In fact I have
> -->>learned
> -->>SOOOOOOO much about how PPP works when I set up my NT workstation at the office.
> -->>NOT!!!
> -->
> -->guess what, let me tell a small secret about life. 99% of the world do not
> -->care a doodle bit about learning so much about ppp. they just want to push
> -->a button and be on the net. but I am glad you learned so much about.
> Then that would be a new statistic for me.......99% of the world is
> lazy.
>
> -->
> -->>
> -->>the simple fact of the matter is that when you take the easy route out you
> -->>end up
> -->>losing something in the process
> -->
> -->Please, spare us your philsophy on life.
> Can you give us yours.....lets see....maybe:
> Dont do anything that someone else can do FOR you.
>
> -->
> -->a PC is a TOOL for the masses, not every one care about its
> -->internals and how a ppp chat works. the easier and the less one have to
> -->learn how to use the PC just to get to do basic things, the better the
> -->tool is for the masses.
> Again.....laziness
>
> -->
> -->you on the other hand can spend all your time learning ppp and chat scripts,
> -->but do not expect everyone to have to do that same. people are busy and
> -->have more important things to do with their life and time. that is why so
> -->many more use windows than UNIX. why? becuase it is easier and simpler to use.
> What is more important than learning???
>
> DrGreer
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From: Taso Hatzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RVPlayer plugin for Netscape
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:41:18 +1100
"Louis C. Kouvaris" wrote:
> RVPlayer opens but doesn't play the stream. If RVPlayer is already open, I
> get a message saying it can't open another instance of RVPlayer. Any help is
It did the same for me - but only once. I killed rvplayer, let
Communicator
start it up by selecting a link, and it was happy thereafter.
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From: Daniel Bredy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble getting GIMP 1.0.2 to compile
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:42:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Floyd Davidson wrote:
> Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hey all,
> >
> >I'm having some problems getting the GIMP to compile on my system. I'm
> >running RH 5.1. I downloaded the gimp-1.0.2.tar.gz and
> >gimp-data-extras-1.0.0.tar.gz. Redhat has GTK+ 1.0.2 already installed
>
> Find a copy of GTK+-1.0.6 and install it. There is a bug in one
> of the makefiles though, in glib/Makefile it came up defining as
> "INSTALL = ../" which bombs every time. I never did look to see
> what is in the configure scripts that is causing that to happen.
> Just change it to be:
>
> INSTALL = /usr/bin/ginstall -c
>
> and everything will work.
>
> Floyd
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
Speaking of GTK+-1.0.6 I installed this package because I wanted to
install a program
dependent on it (freeamp). Oddly enough though when I try to install the
program that depends on
this I get an error -- 'GTK+-1.0.6 required, you seem to have only
GTK+-1.0.2' or something
like that. How do I fix this?
Please reply in e-mail,
THanks
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: 29 Dec 1998 00:16:34 -0600
Chris Mattern ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In comp.unix.questions Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > Leslie Mikesell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > Wrong. The *real* solution is one that the filesystem layout doesn't
: > allow. The *real* solution is to say that if someone wants to link
: > to one of my files that's just great, but when I delete all of *my*
: > filenames for it, then it should no longer be owned by me. (This isn't
: > possible, but it's the only thing that would satisfy me 100%. Your
: > rm aliasing is probably what I will resort to, but I will always
: > consider it a work-around, not a real solution.) The problem stems
: > from the fact that when user foo makes a hardlink, there is no record
: > in the filesystem that that link was made by him.
: Two problems with this. You got the first one: it's not possible.
: It would require making the entire way a UNIX filesystem works
: different, which would break more things than I could count. The
: second is: You break your link to the file, and you no longer own
: it--so who does? Hint: the guy who created second link and root
: are *both* wrong answers, as they both create holes much worse than
: the one that exists now.
user "nobody".
--
Steve Mading: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~madings
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hong)
Subject: Re: UMAX Astra 1220P Scanner
Date: 29 Dec 1998 08:49:16 GMT
John Heuser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Try looking for SANE, Scanner Access Now Easy, at www.linux.org or some
: Linux search engine. I know SANE should work with many scanners. Thats all
: I know, sorry. ^^^^
: Benoit Lefebvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
: > Hi, anyone have a program to scan from a UMAX Astra 1220P scanner ?
: >
: > I tried sane, but it only scan with SCSI scanners, not Parallel
^^^^
I'm sorry, but this is one slip that is just too freudian to
believe...
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From: "!Xabbu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IP Masquerading
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:22:52 +0100
the following is my system right now:
Linuxbox:
Device1: ippp1 ISDN IP: 192.168.0.1
Device2: eth0 Ethernet IP: 192.168.99.10
Workstation (Macintosh)
Device1: eth Ethernet IP: 192.168.99.1
I am wondering how I get my Linux box to forward ANY packet that it recieves
out of the internet on the device ippp1 to the IP address 192.168.99.10.
I want to set up a special server on the Macintosh , so every packet needs
to be routed to its IP adress, which is addressed to the ippp1 interface in
the first place.
Any suggestions?
Xabbu
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:02:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:45:36 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > My point is that quota system is very difficult to implement cleanly. And
> > there will be ways to cheat them How about creating fifo and storing the
data
> > ? If your system has uptime in years then you can safely store mega bytes
>
> Not likely.
>
> Have you tried this?
i dont have access to mc which has quota enabled. But here is the url
which talks about this
http://www.rootshell.com/archive-j457nxiqi3gq59dv/199807/linuxfs.txt.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 29 Dec 1998 10:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What could be worse to a musician/composer than to lose one's hearing?
>Yet, Beethoven was completely deaf when he composed the 9th & never
>heard it performed. But, he didn't have to. It was something he
>created out of the need to create. He `heard' it in his head. `Ode
>to Joy.' It seems to me that we all could learn a lesson from that
>greatness of spirit.
>
>Steve, I'm thankful there are many programmers that do not agree with
>your ideas; it is only because of them that I am able to do what I am
>doing now. Without free software, there would be no WWW such as we
Exceptionally well put. Thank you greatly.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: SuSE or RedHat
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:16:31 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 28 Dec 1998 07:32:38 -0600, Bud Rogers...
..and <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Zulfiqar Naushad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Both support the RPM package format.
>
> Are there any compatibility issues installing RH packages on a SuSE system?
A couple. You're always better off with special SuSE RPMs. But so far all my
RPMs, be they RH or SuSE, have worked out of the box if not for failed
dependencies.
Anyway, as soon as all the major distros are FHS compliant, the RPM
compatibility problems will go away.
mawa
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Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 29 Dec 1998 10:26:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Damerell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>John Winters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>Which programs in the sbin directories would "normal" users want
>>>>in their path?
>>>traceroute can be very useful.
>>It belongs in /usr/bin.
>
>Agreed; but there are a number of commands in sbin directories that normal
>but technically oriented users might want to use occasionally, and if you
>moved them all to bin directories, it would make the arrangement of things
>very confusing. (Obviously, traceroute is felt to be one of these - I
>disagree.)
Traceroute is supposed to be in /usr/bin, not in an sbin directory.
>Looking at chiark I see; ifconfig kernelversion killall5 mkdosfs modinfo
>restore dump arp - not many, but you'd be confused if ifconfig moved to
>/bin, I expect.
What "normal" user needs any of those? The *definition* of a "normal"
user is that they don't need the system admin tools because the do not
do system admin work.
For the odd user that occasionally wants to snoop, they can either add
the sbin directories to their PATH, or they can use the complete path name
to run the program.
But putting sbin directories into the PATH of every user on a
system is poorly considered administration in most instances.
(There might well be odd cases where it is not, but that would
be a rare exception.)
>>If some distribution puts it into an sbin,
>
>Don't they all?
No.
Floyd
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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