Linux-Misc Digest #488, Volume #18 Wed, 6 Jan 99 03:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Floyd Davidson)
SAP-GUI (Karl Esau)
Re: QMAIL question - Where is my email disappearing to? (Michael Fleming)
Re: Quotas ("Adam")
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. (Jared Johnson)
Re: Modem troubles...help please? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Matthew Malthouse)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Thad Floryan)
Re: RH5.2 "you have new mail", not & undetected lp port works (David Efflandt)
Re: Rael Player (Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands)
Re: Linux on 386 (Enkidu)
Re: help me choose Linux ... ("seiun")
Cyclades Linux Z and Y drivers available (Support Dept.)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (mlw)
Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux? (djb)
Re: PPP cannot determine remote ip address (David Efflandt)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 6 Jan 1999 06:03:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Iain Georgeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Actually, I agree...partly. There is one situation where I've wanted to
>got round this.
>
>Find useful URL in text somewhere.
>Select it.
>Wipe URL currently in Netscape's location box by selecting it, and
>pasting the first one on top.
>
>Oops...
>
>OK, there are simple ways round it, and 9 times out of 10, it D exactly
>WIM, but occasionally I'd like a "select without copying" feature. Or is
>there one already?
I'm having a hard time seeing what the Oops is. I do that all
the time. It works fine. I select the text, position on the
current one, hit the middle mouse button, then select and delete
the previous text. Sometimes I do it differently... I position
with a click of the left button, type ^K, then copy in the new
URL with the middle button. Sometimes I do the last two in
reverse order.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 6 Jan 1999 05:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Damerell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>David Damerell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>Nix <$}xin{[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>Oh, and steering clear of PATHization also lets you install things
>>>>>without requiring everyone to log out and log in again (ugh, shades of
>>>>>Windows).
>>>>So why would anyone log out to make it effective? That is
>>>>absolutely not necessary.
>>>Consider Joe Luser on a large multiuser system. He doesn't know what
>>>you're doing; he isn't going to get the new system PATH until his next
>>>login. But he will get immediate access to symlinked binaries.
>>What makes that bad?
>
>Look at the question I am answering. I am answering the question as to
>whether a logout is necessary. I didn't even start to say this was good or
>bad, mauve or orange; and talking about that is a pretty lousy distraction
>from having been wrong when you said 'So why would anyone log out to make
>it effective? That is absolutely not necessary.'
That is *still* absolutely not necessary. Your suggestion is not only
not prefered, it isn't desirable at all.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: Karl Esau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SAP-GUI
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:20:12 +0100
Hi,
at my office I want to send W95 a.s.a.p. to /dev/null
the only thing that I still miss is a Linux SAP-GUI for SAP R/3.
SAP delivers X/GUIs for nearly every commercial Unix.
Is there either a Linux SAP-GUI or is it possible to emulate X11
for AIX, HPUX or DIGITAL Unix binaries on Linux?
bye
Karl Esau ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
___ceterum_censeo_Microsoft_esse_delendum
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming)
Subject: Re: QMAIL question - Where is my email disappearing to?
Date: 5 Jan 1999 10:54:39 GMT
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On 5 Jan 1999 05:05:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
scribed into the Great Tome of Farnarkling:
Please configure your news reader to use a valid(ish) reply/from address -
it's hard to Cc answers as it is..
> Help! Since switching to Qmail from Sendmail (I used Redhat5.0 rpm's),
> my email is disappearing into a black hole and I can't find any of them.
> They used to go into ~/mail, but I've searched /var/spool and /var/qmail,
> etc., and no luck.
depending on the /var/qmail/rc file used, it will go into $HOME/Mailbox
or /var/spool/mail. I presume that the former is occurring because the
latter isn't ;-)
> I've gone over the qmail site and man pages as much as I could, but
> don't see any clear answers as to where Qmail puts incoming mail.
Have a look under /usr/doc/qmai-1.0.3whatever for the FAQ and INSTALL
docs. It's a very different setup than Sendmail... (It's a damned fine
MTA though.)
> I use Fetchmail to get it from my ISP's pop3 mailserver.
Remember to add the "forcecr" option to .fetchmailrc (qmail is very picky
about this)
> "The Case of the Missing Email" - can anyone solve this mystery??
HIH.
> Thanks,
> Chip Rose.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Fleming, who just switched back to sendmail to see how 8.9.2
handles.
- --
Michael Fleming -=(UDIC)=- / Mallet Wielder
PGP Keys from homepage or keyservers
Home Page: http://www.powerup.com.au/~mfleming/
Nuke a spammer for the deity of your choice today!
"Bill Gates isn't the Devil - Satan made sure Hell worked
before he opened it to the damned..."
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From: "Adam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Quotas
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:01:12 -0500
Have you, or have you not remounted your volumes with quota turned on? This
is the reason that a reboot is suggested.
Your /etc/fstab should look something like this for the volumes with quotas
enabled:
/dev/sdb1 /home ext2 defaults,usrquota 0 1
--Adam
adam@virtual-estate[nospam].net
Quality domain hosting from $5/month
http://www.virtual-estate.net
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From: Jared Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:36:16 -0600
According to the apparent assumptions of the discussion in this thread, the
learning curve
varies according to the software and the individual, but once sufficient knowlege has
been
achieved, operation becomes easy. the amount of work put into learning a piece of
software is
directly related to the performance derived from it (i forget the mathematical term
for this).
Assuming this, there are some important questions to ask about an operating system or
a piece of
software.
First: what kind of functionality can be derived from the product initially, with
very little
learning involved? This question is important not to me but to most people who
dedicate
themselves to fields unrelated to computers. The answer to this question is part of
the reason
that windows is so @#$%! popular, as well as part of the solution for linux: by
creating initial
functionality thru ease of use, linux can grow in popularity amongst groups less
interested in
things like CPU consumption or any of the other stuff computer people like me are so
intent on.
This appears to be what RedHat is doing and (even though i would never install redhat)
I like it!
With some more work, redhat can create something that has for awhile not been thought
possible by
windows users: an easy-to-use linux OS. Some redhat users may say what testimonies
they wish;
perhaps they found it easy to install and use redhat. but, would their grandparents?
i don't
think mine would, not yet. I will be very excited when RedHat installation begins
with a single
program and requires no boot floppies, root floppies, etc. I will be equally excited
when RedHat
boot directly into the GNOME environment (whenever it is actually perfected). But, i
will never
actually want to use redhat myself.
This brings me to the next question that must be asked, the one that I have always
asked
myself: how far will the relationship between learning and performance go? An example
very close
to my heart is a comparison between Microsoft Windows and Slackware Linux (a
distribution is
specified because it may as well). Let's say one installs windows 95 with very little
computer
knowlege. It is possible to have windows up and running and connected to the
internet, browsing
email, the web, etc. within a day or two, maybe even less if he is smart. From there
he can do
one of two things. He can either abandon M$ software and go on to more advanced
software (for
instance, getting Agent rather than Outloook), thus proving how crappy M$ software
really is; or,
he can continue to be online, reading email and browsing the web, forever and ever.
If he feels
really adventurous, he can learn to program and buy something like MS Visual Studio.
From what i
have heard from people who have programmed in both linux and windows (i can't back
this up though
i'm afraid because i'm no programmer), microsoft compilers, and compilers for windows
in general
make programs as bloated and buggy as windows itself, because the OS itself and its
structure make
it impossible to do otherwise. I recently read something off some newsgroup (damnit i
just looked
all over for it and found nothing!) that suggested M$ compilers were intentionally
crippled so
that Microsoft programs would have an edge. I find this impossible because M$
programs run just
about as badly as other windows programs. anyway, i will try not to rant about
microsoft. The
point is, this is about as far as one can get with windows 95, without going and
joining microsoft
itself or some very large software company.
Okay, I admit there was some M$ bashing in there, hey, i can't help it. Anyway;
now let's say
that one installs Slackware Linux with little computer experience. Initially, it is
likely to be
difficult to install and set up. There is no GUI until you set up the GUI. Most
configuration
must be done through text files. My very own rough estimate for time it would take
for them to be
online and reading email and browsing the web (which i pulled out of my very own ASS):
2 or 3
days? Now, once they have done this they can also set up their own FTP, HTTP, POP3,
SMTP, and
TELNET daemons. In fact, they may all be activated by default. That's neet. Now,
there is a
wealth of configuration files included in a Linux distribution. But what this means
is that there
is a wealth of configuration for a user to alter, as long as they learn how. When i
was a
beginning linux user, it gave me a real thrill just to be able to have my PPP daemon
start at boot
time and re-activate itself upon disconnection. This was quite peachy-keen for me.
The amazing
thing is, in my long linux experience, i have not lost that peachy-keen feeling.
Nothing gets
stale, there is always something new to learn *without even acquiring additional
software*. In
windows, i frequently downloaded and learned new software after M$ products became
stale. This
can grow either expensive or heavy on the bandwidth (when one considers warez). That
sucks. The
fact is, Linux is cool because one will never, ever, stop being able to learn more and
as a result
increase functionality. The reason for this is that Linux is Open Source, as is
almost all
software for it (or maybe just all software for it?). That alone means that the
possibilities are
endless. All of this without spening $400 plus for an OS, or thousands for windows NT
plus
liscenses. It's just cool. I drank an entire 2 Liter of Coke today and i am wired.
This looks
pretty good, i'll quit while i'm ahead. I'm sure my logic will be torn apart, since
i'm just
tooooo wired. jolly good =)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Modem troubles...help please?
Date: 6 Jan 1999 05:23:29 GMT
rosie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-> I'm having trouble initializing my modem after running 'sndconfig'.
-> Is there any way to check my modem configuration settings? Has anyone
-> else had this problem?
you can list which irqs, ioports and dma channels are in use by what
by looking at the results of:
cat /proc/ioports
cat /proc/interrupts
cat /proc/dma
Simeon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Malthouse)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 6 Jan 1999 07:11:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:49:43 -0500 Victor Danilchenko wrote:
}
} export DEITY=/dev/null
}
} I can almost see a series similar to "religions: how shit happens"
AIX: smit happens.
Matthew
--
And on the seventh day, He exited from append mode.
http://www.calmeilles.demon.co.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thad Floryan)
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Date: 05 Jan 1999 22:53:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith) wrote:
| Iain Georgeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| >Find useful URL in text somewhere.
| >Select it.
| >Wipe URL currently in Netscape's location box by selecting it, and
| >pasting the first one on top.
| >
| >Oops...
|
| Instead of wiping the current URL, just paste the new URL into the
| main part of the Netscape display, rather than the URL entry area.
| Netscape accepts that as a command to go to the new location.
|
| --Tim Smith
That's a good idea; where did you see that documented? I thought I read
everything, but maybe I'm going blind. :-)
What I've been doing is typing Ctrl-U (^U) in the URL entry area to erase
the old, then right mouse button to paste in the new.
Thad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: RH5.2 "you have new mail", not & undetected lp port works
Date: 6 Jan 1999 07:21:40 GMT
On 4 Jan 1999 06:42:15 GMT, brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:06:55 GMT,
> David Efflandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Why does RedHat 5.2 put a dummy email msg in the spool that is not
>> visible to pine and says it should not be deleted. This gives me a
>> "you have new mail" every time I logon. Where does this originate and
>> how do I tell the system (biff?) to ignore this dummy? RH5.0 didn't
>> do that.
>
>PINE puts it there. Stop deleting it and it will stop telling you about
>new mail.
>
>--
>Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
Actually if I do not touch it, it just says "you have mail" when I login
and the mail icon appears in X. If cp /dev/null to it, the bogus mail
notifications stop until it is recreated the next time I get mail. So how
do I stop mail notification for this bogus message? I never had that
problem with any earlier version of pine.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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From: Sir Hoagy of the Marshlands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: osu.sys.linux
Subject: Re: Rael Player
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:06:37 +0000
Antal Tamas wrote:
> Hi,
> I downloaded Real Player (tm) for Red Hat 5.2. I can not use it ,
> though. When I start it I get its window but when try to start playing
> it finds the source but does not play. If I browse the clip I can get
> static pictures from it. Maybe it has problem with the CPU powwer (last
> time it had, but I then installed Linux again by other reasons)
This is the same problem I've been having with RealPlayer since RedHat
5.0 Realplayer will fire up, the clip will load, but it won't play. It
just
sits there and does nothing. Skipping ahead in the file will give me
static
pictures, but that's it.
I've asked numerous questions regarding this and I'm still no closer to
a solution. I'd appreciate any help with such.
(For the record, I also and running RedHat 5.2 on a Pentium 166)
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on 386
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:38:00 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeff Dell wrote:
>
> Okay. Here is my question. I recently aquired a 386 16sx with
> a 40 meg hard drive and 4 megs of ram. It currently has Dos 6.22
> on it, but Iwould like to install Linux on it.
I run a 386 with Linux 2.0.22. I suggest you locate a larger
hard disk and some more RAM though.
Cliff
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From: "seiun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help me choose Linux ...
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 06:49:19 GMT
Yeah, I've gotta disagree about Slackware too. I hated almost everything
about Linux until I blew out the "Official" version and installed
Slackware. Installation was a breeze, and configuring X Windows was WAY
simpler in Slackware. Plus, I think P. Volkerding's book is one of the
most helpful references I've read. (Funny too.)
Last time I posted something bad about "you know who", someone was kind
enough to cancel my post. We'll see what happens this time...
M. Freeman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Support Dept.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Cyclades Linux Z and Y drivers available
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:32:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Support Dept.)
I don't post every little driver revision, but this one might be helpful
to some folks using the newer Cyclades PCI multiport cards with Linux
There is a new release of the Cyclom-Y and Cyclades-Z Linux driver
available for free download at:
http://www.sellcom.com on the tech support page
The following information and "tips" were provided by Beltran at Cyclades
for this current release.
Package Version : 3.2.1 (1999/01/05)
Driver Version : 2.1.1.11 (1998/12/30)
FW version (Z only) : 3.2.1 (1998/12/17)
Kernels supported : 2.0.x
Changes from previous version (3.2.0):
- Changed access to PLX PCI bridge registers from I/O to MMIO
(Memory-Mapped I/O), in order to make PLX9050-based boards (new YoP's and
the upcoming YeP v2) work with certain motherboards;
- The install installation script was changed so that it detects the
driver version currently installed and decides whether it should install
the driver version included in the package.
Comments:
Any customers who face problems in transmitting / receiving data on
Cyclom-Y boards (especially _Cyclom-YoP's_, and especially motherboards
with _Phoenix BIOS_, which is the only common characteristic on all systems
that presented the problem) should upgrade their driver to this driver
version.
A good way to detect the problem is by checking whether the board has
generated any interrupts to the system, once you try to send data through
one of its ports. You can do that by executing the command:
cat /proc/interrupts
before and after the data traffic generation, and comparing the number of
interrupts under cyclomY. If there are no interrupts generated, then the
bug was detected and, thus, the driver upgrade is required in order to make
the board work.
Sellcom support
--
http://www.sellcom.com
Telecommunications and internet networking hardware
Cyclades / Siemens / STB / Zoom Modems & Cameras
Secure online ordering and special pricing
New 2.4ghz cordless phone at www.sellcom.com/awesome
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:36:34 +0000
Verbal Kent wrote:
There are several classes of users that I am aware of:
Clueless, these are the mothers and fathers out there that know nothing
about computers. These people need someone to help then put a tape in
the VCR. I would set them up with Linux, Applix, Netscape, and be done.
I would NOT give them Windows. I have had too many teary eyes calls from
people that think they have lost all there work when windows no longer
boots. Granted these people could never set up their Linux environment,
but, I doubt they would be able to set up Windows either. The first
question asked they'll have a panic attack.
newbe, these are people fairly new to computers but not intimidated by
technology and have no pre-conceived ideas about how computers should
work. These people would equal difficulty using Linux or Windows or the
Mac. Probably Mac 1st, Windows 2nd for games.
power newbe, just like a newbe but wants everything right away. Give
them a Mac, no question.
User, have used Windows, don't care for computer wars, they want
something reliable and only car about spreadsheets, wordprocessor,
e-mail, and a web browser. If all they need is done with Linux, I would
set up Linux, if they need a specific program that Linux did not have I
would be forced to use recommend Windows, but, insist that they pay for
support.
Power User. Give 'm Linux all the way.
Guru, Linux.
--
Mohawk Software
Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
Visit the Mohawk Software website: www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (djb)
Subject: Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux?
Date: 5 Jan 1999 22:33:01 GMT
On 5 Jan 1999 09:10:17 GMT, Ben Sykes <ben*nospam*@shell.bensykes.com> wrote:
>
>Acutally, the latest SLRN does have a feature that you can compile in that
>gives it an offline mode. I've never used it, but I'd be intersted to hear
>from people that have.
>
>--
>Ben Sykes
>Dallas, TX
I've been using slrn (0.9.5.3-2) + slrnpull for about a week and so far have
been quite impressed with it. It was relatively easy to install and get to
work (it would have to be...) if a little fiddly to add groups (you have to
edit a text file first). It supports decoding and automatic browser
launching from URLs. As far as I can tell, though, you do need a separate
mail program.
I understand you can also use gnus/emacs for offline reading, but as I
couldn't make head nor tail of the help files, that'll have to wait.
So, slrn it will be (until some kind soul ports Agent).
David.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: PPP cannot determine remote ip address
Date: 6 Jan 1999 07:10:44 GMT
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:43:35 +0000, Steve Lunson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi. Hope you can help me,
>
>I'm currently trying to set up ppp on my RedHat 5.2 box, It seems I can
>connect and authenticate myself, but in the ip negotiations, I get cut off
>as I cannot determine the remote ip address.
>
>I've looked through the man pages and HowTo's, and am using the
>ipcp-accept-remote option with the noipdefault. (I've attached my
>/etc/ppp/options file)
>
>Apart from the modem, my linux box is also connected to an internal
>ethernet and uses 192.168.1.1 as it's ip. address and this seems to get
>sent in the negotiations.
In rc.local or wherever, delete any defaultroute to the LAN and use a
static route like this (if you have a router, you will also need to
include a gw for any routes that pass through it):
route add -net 192.168.1.0 eth0
Use defaultroute option for ppp.
Make sure your /etc/hosts does not have your ethernet IP for your internet
hostname (usually 0.0.0.0 works).
For machines on the LAN to access the internet, you would need to run IP
Masquerade with /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward changed from 0 to 1. Or you
could run some sort of proxy.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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