Linux-Misc Digest #499, Volume #18 Thu, 7 Jan 99 02:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Should I install Linux on my new computer? (Gary Momarison)
Re: Linux and FreeBsd Compatibility (K. Spoon)
Re: Using C++ with RedHat 5.2? ("Patrick Wray")
Re: PPP Kernel support (Bill Unruh)
Re: Netscape 4.5 problem (Richard Adams)
Re: WordPerfect 8 Installation Issue (Bill Unruh)
Information in email headers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newbie Idiocy (Christopher Mahmood)
KDE as default wm and now can't find X includes (Malcolm Riches)
Re: Command string for USR v90 (Richard Steiner)
Re: Information in email headers (Richard Steiner)
Re: good office package for linux (Eric Lawson)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
perfect linux machine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Copying linux system.... (Walter Strong)
Re: Sharing my UMAX Astra 610s scanner w/ UMAX Scan Manager v1.2, using SANE
(Redhat 5.2 Linux) ("USB Port")
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should I install Linux on my new computer?
Date: 06 Jan 1999 09:54:56 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted Unnikumaran) writes:
> I am about to purchase my first computer, and I am not sure as to what
> operating system I should install. For the most part I am new to
> computers so I would like some help. I really don't play a lot of
> computer games and plan on using my computer to learn more about
> programming and to use the internet.
>
> This is what I know
> The reason I hear Linux is better is that
> 1. It is free
Almost.
> 2. I would be on a similar environment as most of my school projects
Glad to hear it, but many schools/professors "force" you to pay the M$ tax.
> 3. With windows i won't be able to afford a lot of software available and
> with linux most of the software is either free or cheap.
Absolutely. Most important reason for you to use Linux. There's thousands
of free programs and stuff, especially if you're in sci/engr study.
> 4. I want to practice developing a database before my database class and
> I have heard it is easier to do so using linux.
I don't know about easier, but OK, if you've got the time to read and work
on it.
> 5. It crashes a lot less
For sure.
> The only reason I would want to put Windows 98 or Windows Nt on my
> computer is because I really don't know that much about Windows and this
> would force me to learn it so it would help me get a real job after I
> graduate. additionally at my present job. I program using visual
> basic and I am going to start programming using visual c++, and would like
> to start using visual j++, and windows would allow me to work at home
> Also I want to use the new quicken 99 to help me manage my family's
> finances and as far as I know they don't have a version for linux.
> Is it possible to use those programs with linux? If not is there a way to
> have both linux and windows on my computer because I think I remember
> seeing some program that allows you to do that.
If you really want to make money after school, try pimping or drug dealing.
Oh - you're conscience won't allow it? Some of us feel that way about
supporting the M$ mediocracy in our daily work. There ARE jobs in which
you don't have to use M$ products, at least most of the time. We've had
to live with ten years of M$ foot-draggin in improving their software
because too many people practice "go-along-to-get-along". Of course,
you'll have to do some of it, say, to get your degree, but do try to
resist. "Resistance is Not Futile" as the Be OS ads say.
There are lots of C/C++ and other programming resources available for
Linux. There are some personal finance programs too, and IIRC, Quicken
runs in the Linux WINE environment.
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html (Gary's Encyclopedia)
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/languages.html (C/C++)
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/business.html (finance)
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/emulation.html (WINE)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (K. Spoon)
Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBsd Compatibility
Date: 6 Jan 1999 17:44:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rjack2 wrote:
// Folks,
//
// I work with a ISP that uses FreeBsd. I want to do work on my local machine
// and transfer it to the ISP.
// Is it feasible to use Linux Locally and then transfer the work to to the ISP
// which runs BSD.
Yup. The only thing to watch out for is hard-coded pathnames in your work.
// The "work" would be perl, html, mysql DB files etc...
perl is perl is perl. Just make sure you have the right path to the
interpreter.
html is html is html. :) Just make sure you have the right path to subdirs
and such.
Dunno about the DB files, but I would assume we have the same case as the
previous two.
Best of luck,
--
K. Spoon
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From: "Patrick Wray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using C++ with RedHat 5.2?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:24:37 +1100
Rage Matrix wrote in message <76t3gj$8pq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi,
>
>I am a newbie to Linux having got RedHat v5.2 for christmas. I know that
>it had a C Compiler (which I have used). However, for my course at Uni I
>am required to use C++, specifically the ANSI standard I/O header file
>IOSTREAM.H. Is there a package for C++ on Linux that uses IOSTREAM.H and
>where can I find it?
>
>Sorry if this turns out to be a stupid question!
Not a stupid question. Many books (even reasonably new ones) are now out of
date, so it's a mistake that's very easy to make. The ANSI C++ standard
library headers no longer have the .h extension. You need to:
#include <iostream> // NOT iostream.h
#include <string>
#include <list>
#include <vector>
etc ...
for the standard c++ headers. Try it. RedHat 5.2 comes with egcs and
libstdc++, so if you selected support for C++ programming when you installed
RedHat, it means you've already got all the headers you need.
HTH. Any probs, email me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: PPP Kernel support
Date: 7 Jan 1999 05:26:14 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ulf Swedin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
NoNoNo. PPP support is as a module which is loaded when needed. Just
make sure kerneld is running. Do not recompile.
>I looked if I had support for PPP with # dmesg | less
>And it turned out I didn't, som my manual (teach yourself linux in three
>weeks..) said
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From: Richard Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.5 problem
Date: 06 Jan 1999 21:28:29 PST
In comp.os.linux.development.apps Andreas Micklei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed
with fingers of fury:
: Hello,
: In comp.os.linux.development.apps John Edstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: : My pet weirdness is that Netscape Communicator dies when I click on a
: : mailto anchor.
: I have seen this to, so just a question: Have you entered your e-mail
: address and all the other stuff about your identity in the preferences?
: That cured the problem for me.
: Or even better: Use Lynx. *hiding* ;-)
Don't make fun of Lynx, I still use it because its fast for getting text
only stuff. I also run Communicator 4.5 under RH5.2, which has it's own
set of peculiarities on my SparcIPX. Frequently when filling in text
boxes it seems lose the string/buffer and sent along garbage characters.
Ive found resizing will reveal the corrupt boxes, so I can fill them in
again, but it's agonizing when you're on eBay trying to bid on a machine
that goes 'Bing!'...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 Installation Issue
Date: 7 Jan 1999 05:30:05 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anping Pan) writes:
>I am a linux fan and happy to try the newly available WP8 on my linux
>2.0.36. After I install wp successfully to /usr/local/wp, I tried to
>run xwp and got error of "File cannot be found: admintxt.us". I can
>see the file admintxt.us under shlib10. What is wrong? Any help is
>appreciated.
You probably put xwp as a link into say /usr/local/bin. This seems to ge
be a mistake in that wp seems to take its path and use that to try to
find its files. There is of course nothing in /usr/local/wpbin or
/usr/local/shlib10
Instead put in a shell script to call /usr/local/wp/wpbin/xwp
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Information in email headers
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:07:36 GMT
I hope this isn't too off-topic. I've always wondered why mail programs feel
it is necessary to include in the mail header what operating system the user
is running. What is the point of this? If I had a fancy security system on
my house, I wouldn't hang up a sign telling the would be thieves the exact
brand and model and revision number, so they could research means of
circumventing it.
Why advertise to everyone in the world what version of Linux we are running??
Does anyone know a way to prevent Netscape mail from including this info in
every mail header?
--
Bob Trevithick
Company:Qmail
User:rft
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From: Christopher Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie Idiocy
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:36:16 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...and be sure not to type 'cat /dev/null > /dev/sda1'
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From: Malcolm Riches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: KDE as default wm and now can't find X includes
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:37:17 +1000
Hope someone can point me in the right direction.
Well that is the error message I get when I attempt to compile some
programs.
I am running RH 5.2 with an Intel i740 (and the XBF driver) and just
installed KDE 1.0 as the default wm. Previously I have had no problems
when I was just using an S3 card on a different computer.
Just wondered if using XBF means I should be pointing it somewhere else
to find the "X includes"? Yes I have tried specifying with
--x-includes=PATH but still the same response.
TIA
Malcolm Riches
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: Command string for USR v90
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:27:55 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>What AT command string is used to configure a USR 56k v90 modem for max
>thruput at v90?
Try: AT&F1
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Hard Disk! Well golly gee lady, I misunderstood you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: Information in email headers
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:36:42 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake unto us, saying:
>I hope this isn't too off-topic. I've always wondered why mail programs
>feel it is necessary to include in the mail header what operating system
>the user is running. What is the point of this?
Advertisement?
I know that some folks actively gather newsreader statistics from the
X-Newsreader header, but that wouldn't apply to most mailers.
>Why advertise to everyone in the world what version of Linux we are
>running??
I don't. :-)
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
New Mail not found. Start whine-pout sequence? (Y/N)
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From: Eric Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: good office package for linux
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:03:54 -0700
Dave Nelson wrote:
>
> Hell, I downloaded it successfully four times using a 28.8. The linux,
> OS/2, and windows versions. That was four out of seven tries, but I got
> them. If I had a CD-ROM on that old machine, I would have gotten the CD
> after the first try. Believe me.
>
> Patience, Michael, patience.
>
> Dave Nelson
>
(snip)
>Most
>of us are stuck with shitty phone lines. At best we could get the
(snip)
I'll probably get flamed. If so, I'm sorry......but this
post made me smile.
How many remember adjusting polar relays, the arguments
(flame wars weren't invented yet) about 20ma vs 60ma "local
loops", when a local loop could take the place of coffee
(bzzzt, #%@+&*&%! ouch) :-) , DARPA, NCP, the Kansas City
Standard, ROMS's made from 1N270s, the twice a year
re-equalization of the 4 wire 4800bps circuits, groups and
super groups...well some of you know what I mean.
Anyway.....
In the better/older ftp programs you can 'reget' a file.
This resumes the file transfer at the point where the
connection was lost and doesn't require you to start over
from zero. I would guess someone was annoyed at their 300
bps connection dropping in the middle of their 100K download
and added reget to the list of tricks.
I agree that it probably isn't the best idea to have
Staroffice as one HUGE downloadable file. However the
amount of complaining I will do is proportional to the
amount of money I spent. :-)
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 05:49:12 GMT
In article <76tk66$gf4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We haven't had two opposing headlines like this since we began the daily news
> service for Linux enthusiasts: Today's newsflash is "Linux to survive?". The
> question has been raised by an article on CNN interactive pointing out that
> Linux's survival hangs on a DOJ thread. It is an interesting article and one
> that I would recommend to Linux lovers to read.
The DOJ suit has certainly helped the Linux movement as well as the Open
Source movement. There are many 3rd party applications developers, Internet
Service providers, and Manufacturers who didn't like the way Microsoft did
business but were forbidden to tell anybody except under court order. As I
understand it, the DOJs BIGGEST problem was paring down the list to the "Top
twelve". The DOJ has lots of depositions, which it could use in later cases.
Whatever happens in the judgement and appeals court rulings, the case has
done for Linux what the hearings in Judge Greene's court did for MCI and
Sprint. When Judge Greene started the hearings, AT&T was nearly an absolute
monopoly. In 1977, if you didn't like Ma Bell, your alternative was CB radio.
By 1983, MCI had already started to open up a number of markets. By the time
divestature was ordered, it was actually in AT&T's best interest to "split up"
and reduce the regulatory pressure from the varius utilities commissions.
Microsoft may actually become more profitable as it moves into a more service
oriented business model. As it is, Microsoft gets a percentage of it's
mortgages, car sales, travel bookings, theater bookings, and all of the other
goods that are traded through it's web-sites and portals. If Microsoft sold
100 million copies of Windows 98 upgrade and OEM, it would only be worth $1
billion. If Microsoft can get as little as 1/4% on 1/4 of the U.S. GNP, that
would be $250 billion. If it got 1/4% on 10% of the Gross Global product,
that would be nearly $1/2 trillion. This has always been Microsoft's real
target (since 1984 anyway). The operating system was just the means to get
there.
Microsoft has had the OEMs and ISVs standing in a Mexican stand-off, the
first person to cross Microsoft would be killed by the neigbors, only one
could be left standing. What the DOJ hearings have done is let the OEMs
know that Microsoft never loaded the guns.
In the last 12 months:
3rd party developers have found a lucrative market in Linux.
OEMs have watched 20% of the market go to "Bare Bones" markets that
sell machines with little or no software, because customers are
installing Linux. Many OEMs aren't even including the Windows 9x
CD-ROM with the purchase of a new machine.
In several surveys conducted on channels such as MSNBC, people
prefered Linux 4:1. 75% said Linux would exceed a 10% market share.
Among bona-fide Linux customers (people who have successfully installed
a fully configured system and used it regularly for over 90 days),
the preference for Linux is virtually unanimous. The only people who
didn't stay with Linux did so because they preferred FreeBSD.
With PCs running as low as $500, OEMs aren't so willing to fork out
$50 for Windows 98 OEM, $200 for Office or even $50 for Works. Microsoft
tried to put the squeeze on corporate customers, many of whom are now
considering Linux as an alternative to cutting staff to pay for Microsoft.
> This article, however, follows on form yesterday's newsflash which is the
> rather triumphant "Could 1999 be the year for Linux?" - linking to the very
> upbeat techweb review of Linux and its current market position.
Do you have a URL? Appearantly the article wass pulled.
> The response has been overwhelming to these two articles. Clearly a lot of
> people have very differing views on the future of Linux. My own view is that
> these discussions serve to both motivate the Linux community in that it
> reminds us that Linux CAN rule the world, but also that this is not a
> guaranteed result. The M$ behemoth does not need, nor in fact use quality of
> product to make its products dominate.
Actually, Linux already has competitors waiting in the wings. FreeBSD is
chomping at the bit. In addition, different components within the Open Source
suites that give Linux it's friendly look-and-feel are competing pretty
effectively. The 3rd party market is also looking very good. Corel, Applix,
and Star are all doing very well.
> (We have set up an additional message board for discussion of this issue, as
> the "ABCNews says that Linux sux" message board has been so popular we feel
> that it is still seerving the community well and hence cannot be moved off
> the main page just yet.)
Where is this message board. URLs are nice.
> I wonder if there is scope for, say, students studying marketing to do with
> marketing Linux what the Linux community has done with developing Linux.
How do you think Linux got were it is today? Linux contributors aren't just
students. Linux contributors include consultants, corporate staffers,
System Admins, Managers, and corporate users.
I am a manager in a large financial services company. I have posted nearly
3000 articles to usenet, bulletin boards, and public forums over the last
18 months. In addition, I have supported other users who eventually became
"advocates" as well. In addition, I have written e-mails to Bob Young,
Scott McNealy, Linus Torvalds, Jim Barksdale, Michael Dell, and several
others, inviting them to join the Linux movement.
I have also been in contact with hundreds of consulting firms, recruiters,
ISVs, OEMs, and corporations, encouraging them to support Linux. I make
$100K (or more) at my regular job, and I don't watch much television.
> I have in mind a project on the WEB that would help develop the sort of
> marketing material and expertise needed by companies to sell the system into
> corporates.
Check out my author profile, slashdot, linuxmall, the Red Hat site, the
Caldera site, the SuSE site, the linux.org site, the li.org site, the
ldp site, and the various "feedback" boards. Last I heard, when a reporter
blasts Linux, he gets e-mail from about 17,000 advocates.
> A rather vague notion, but I think that the OSS model can
> actually extend a lot furhter than OSS itself: Collaboration is a very useful
> learning and development tool.
> There are many disciplines covering everything
> from advertising to project management that could perhaps benefit from an
> online collaboration and it seems to me that Linux is the perfect product to
> collaborate around.
You're in the right neighborhood (c.o.l.a), and I would love to
> Just a thought.
>
> Brad
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: perfect linux machine
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 05:55:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have the perfect linux systems at wholesale
prices. http://www.triquest.net
TriQuest Technologies Customer Service
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Strong)
Subject: Re: Copying linux system....
Date: 7 Jan 1999 06:51:17 GMT
James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Can anyone tell me if it's possible to copy a whole linux partition with
: a recursive cp?
: I have run out of disk space on my linux partition and want to move it
: to a larger empty partition.
: Is there a good way of doing this? Or are there programs which can
: resize a extfs partition?
: Thanks for any help,
: James.
Well, there's Partition Magic. It might help if you indicated what your
other partitions are running as any program will have to be OS specific...
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From: "USB Port" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sharing my UMAX Astra 610s scanner w/ UMAX Scan Manager v1.2, using SANE
(Redhat 5.2 Linux)
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.periphs.scanner,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.graphics.apps.gimp,linux.samba
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:02:26 GMT
Doesn't anyone know the answer to this?
SCSI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<01be3366$1f4244b0$0200a8c0@mycompnt>...
> How do I get SANE on my Linux workstation to be configured to use my UMAX
> Astra 610s over the network when it is being served by the UMAX Scan
> Manager v1.2 (part of VistaScan v3.1)?
>
> THIS TOPIC HAS STUMPED ME FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW, AND THE SANE
> DOCUMENTATION SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
>
> How can it be done?
>
>
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