Linux-Misc Digest #502, Volume #18 Thu, 7 Jan 99 09:13:09 EST
Contents:
Intermittently SLOW 486 Machines (Forrest Hoffman)
Re: Start Linux from within windoze?? (Karl Kahre)
Re: Real Audio for Linux dilemna (Bev)
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Netscape eats up *all* the swap (Philip Brown)
high uptime server designs? (Leslie Mikesell)
help needed mounting fd0 ("Matteo Anselmi")
Re: /dev/audio --Help (Codifex Maximus)
[Q] Corel WordPerfect 8.0 ... Any experiences? (Augusto Cardoso)
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (Tom Smith)
Re: Why I choose HP-UX over Linux (Kim G. S. OEyhus)
Re: LILO 3 way boot (Bill Voight)
possible show-stopper? (steve mcadams)
Re: good office package for linux (John Thompson)
Adobe Framemaker on Linux? (Hilary McClure)
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From: Forrest Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Intermittently SLOW 486 Machines
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:13:00 -0500
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I've encountered a number of 486DX2 66 MHz machines which exibit really
unusual behavior. These machines sometimes run 10-15 times slower than
they normally should. Using a couple of benchmarks (including
BOGOMIPS), I've determined that these machines run at typical 486/66
speeds (when they are "well") and appear to be well configured. The
machines get "sick" and "well" apparently at random. Rebooting
sometimes makes them better, but not always. You can run a code, get a
slow time, then run the same exact code again and get the expected
time. Some machines are sick more often than others.
The problem is real. It is not a problem with the clock. Times are
reported correctly and the speed never changes while a code is running
(i.e., it either runs at the slow speed or at the fast speed). We've
seen this behavior under RedHat 4.1, 4.2, and 5.1.
The machines all have Mylex or Northgate BIOS versions 6.1x or 6.2x. We
don't see this behavior from AMI BIOS machines.
Has anyone else encountered this kind of problem? Does anyone have
suggestions for a fix (besides replacing the machines...we already
thought of that)?
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Forrest Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Environmental Sciences Division http://www.esd.ornl.gov/~forrest
Oak Ridge National Laboratory (423) 576-7680
MS 6036, Building 1505, Room 216 (423) 576-8543 fax
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From: Karl Kahre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Start Linux from within windoze??
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:50:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Due to my school's policy regarding "other" OS's, I'm fighting to have Linux
> installed on three lab computers coexisting with NT. They are concerned
> about possible support issues which may mess up the NT side of things, and
> don't want a dual boot situation where "regular" students inadvertantly get
> into the wrong system.
>
> My question is ... can I use loadlin or something else to boot Linux out of
> a command line prompt in WinNT?
>
> Or does someone know of a good setup for a dual boot which might make Linux
> available at the press of a button somewhere in the process??? (I know
> nothing about what NT has in the way of boot managers.)
>
Create a boot floppy disk and boot from that onto your Linux partition. No
dual boot is necessary, without the floppy it will boot into NT and you can't
see the Linux partition. Boot from the floppy and it puts you into the Linux
partition. Any Linux users would need a floppy, of course.
>
> TIA,
>
> Kenward
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
> -----------------------------------------------------------
--
Karl Kahre
The Boeing Company
Delta II Structural Dynamic Analysis & Loads
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real Audio for Linux dilemna
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:31:45 -0800
Wallace Barnes III wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> I have downloaded and installed the realaudio for Linux software.
> The plugin is in the proper Netscape directory and setup through the
> browser itself. When attempting to play a clip, the browser starts up
> the real audio player and I'm off. So I thought. The player contacts the
> host and the sits there saying it is buffering the clip but nothing is
> being buffered. I checked the statistics option from the menu and it
> confirms that nothing is being received. Has anyone run across this
> problem ? If so, how did you fix the problem ? My environment is as
> follows:
>
> Pentium 233 MHz
> 96MB RAM
> 100MD Swap
> Netscape Communicator 4.07
> Slackware Linux 2.0.35
> Real Audio Player 5.0
>
> Thanks for any help !!!
This sounds like one of the standard Winshit remedies, but it worked for me
anyway: Reboot linux. Or maybe kill something, but since I'm the only
user on my machine and shut it off every night, rebooting was no big deal.
Before that I carefully followed all the RA instructions twice, including a
second download, but until I rebooted it just sat there doing nothing.
--
Cheers,
Bev
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"Friends help you move. *Real* friends help you move bodies."
--A. Walker
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Crossposted-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:03:01 GMT
[Newsgroups: line trimmed, F'up set to news.admin.net-abuse.email]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
>Contrary to others' arguments in this thread, I _strongly_ disagree with the
>claims that mangled email addresses do nothing to fight spam. If I am a
>spammer, and I buy a list of email addresses, but find that many of them
>bounce back, I'm less willing to pay the money the next time.
[...]
Wrong. The bounces will never reach the sender due to the forged
From: lines in the first place. From a spammer's point of view, getting
1 positive response for 10000 emails is a good relatio, since he doesn't
care about the damage he caused to the unwilling recipients.
Munging your address just shifts the burden from your own shoulders
upon all other standard users who need to jump through your hoops just
to get a mail through. Better learn how to read headers and get the
spammer's account nuked.
>Even if this does not discourage the spammer because of high bounce rates, at
>least I don't have to download the trash over my phone line. Believe it or
>not, some of us still use a modem, and have only a single phone line, shared
>between the modem and a house full of people who'd like to use the phone for
>voice (!).
[...]
So do I (though I have 3 different lines). And I've always been posting
with my realname. Yes, I get spam. But I do hunt them down. And if you
really have a problem with tons of spam, get an ISP that allows filtering
incoming mail based upon your own rules.
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: Netscape eats up *all* the swap
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 06 Jan 1999 20:31:27 GMT
On 5 Jan 1999 13:37:56 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 07:11:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>....
>>>I have 16 megs of real RAM and about 30 megs on my swap partition.
>>
>>reguardless of what you decide to run, this is a problem. These days, you
>>should always have at least 64 megs of swap space.
>
>Really? Two big compiles in parallel, heavy number-crunching, TeX, editing.
>16M RAM + 32M swap. Not even close to full. Oh, and diff between two large
>trees piped to bzip2. Also not the lightest thing in this world.
Those are heavy CPUwise. Most people have a bit more memory-hogging things
running nowadays.
--
[trim the no-bots from my address to reply to me by email!]
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"initiating.. 'getting the hell out of here' maneouver" - Lennier, babylon5
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: high uptime server designs?
Date: 6 Jan 1999 15:48:18 -0600
I am trying to set up a machine with the goal of having a minimum of
downtime and/or data loss for any reason. Actually this will be
a pair of machines where the one in actual production has drives
periodically rsync'd to a second machine that is set up so it
can do an alternate boot to those drives if necessary to come up
as a complete replacement. The second machine will have additional
drives so it can be used for development and testing - it's only
'real' job will be to run amanda backups to tape at night so it
can be taken down during the day if necessary. Both machines will
have spare root/user partitions so a complete OS update or reinstall
can be done on the second machine, tested, then rsync'd to the
spare partition of the production machine (with it still running)
and only have the downtime of a single reboot to come up completely
updated - and if anything fails the old system is still there as
an alternate LILO choice.
Does anyone have any other tricks to minimize the chances of having
to hang out at the office late to fix something?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Matteo Anselmi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help needed mounting fd0
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:56:39 +0100
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.admin,linux.help
I'm trying to mount , as root, my floppy
# mount -o rw /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy and It works fine while I'm root,
when I login as user my floppy is read only and I cant write or copy file on
it.
I'm a Linux novice and I'm looking for help.
thanx in advance
Matteo
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From: Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: /dev/audio --Help
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:46:30 -0600
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kamrin wrote:
> when i try a 'cat cold.au >/dev/audio' i get 'bash: /dev/audio: Operation not
> supported by that device'
> i am using a Sound Blaster 16 PNP card, when i run 'sndconfig' everything goes
> okay up until the test, here it says there is an error running modprobe...any
> suggestions as to how i can remedy this would greatly be appreciated....thanx
>
> kamrin
# perform the following...pnpdump > pnpdump.out
pico pnpdump.out
# edit the file to your liking
cp /etc/isapnp.conf /etc/isapnp.conf.old
cp pnpdump.out /etc/isapnp.conf
# answer yes
# you may need to reboot but I doubt it. Your success depends on the editing of
the file.
--
Codifex Maximus
I tried to drown my problems but they can swim!
=====BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK=====
Version:3.1
GCS d- s:a C+++ UL++ P+ L+++ E- W+++ N++ o++++ K- w-- O? M+
V- PS PE+ Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+ X+ R+++ tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G e+ h+
=====END GEEK CODE BLOCK=====
Happiness is a static TCP/IP address...
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kamrin wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>when i try a 'cat cold.au >/dev/audio' i get 'bash:
/dev/audio: Operation not
<BR>supported by that device'
<BR>i am using a Sound Blaster 16 PNP card, when i run 'sndconfig' everything
goes
<BR>okay up until the test, here it says there is an error running modprobe...any
<BR>suggestions as to how i can remedy this would greatly be appreciated....thanx
<P>kamrin</BLOCKQUOTE>
# perform the following...pnpdump > pnpdump.out
<BR>pico pnpdump.out
<BR># edit the file to your liking
<BR>cp /etc/isapnp.conf /etc/isapnp.conf.old
<BR>cp pnpdump.out /etc/isapnp.conf
<BR># answer yes
<BR># you may need to reboot but I doubt it. Your success depends
on the editing of the file.
<PRE>--
Codifex Maximus
I tried to drown my problems but they can swim!
=====BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK=====
Version:3.1
GCS d- s:a C+++ UL++ P+ L+++ E- W+++ N++ o++++ K- w-- O? M+
V- PS PE+ Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+ X+ R+++ tv b+++ DI+++ D++ G e+ h+
=====END GEEK CODE BLOCK=====
Happiness is a static TCP/IP address...</PRE>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Augusto Cardoso)
Subject: [Q] Corel WordPerfect 8.0 ... Any experiences?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I plan to install WordPerfect 8.0 under SuSE Linux 5.3
As anyone tried that ? I'm still using LIBC5...
Any caveats?
Thanks for the inputs
Augusto
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From: Tom Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:43:14 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <IchlzkFK#[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gee, guys - I guess it's not really a known fact that common email gatherer
> > programs know to strip out "nospam" "antispam" and other "spam" references
> > from your addresses. Be a little creative or just lay out your email
> > address plain n' simple.
Wouldn't the best course of action in the long run be to never, ever,
EVER buy anything from a spammer?...
--
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| Tom Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| PSW Technologies IBM RISC/System Graphics |
| AIX GOS/PVT Bldg 45, 2L-070, Austin, TX USA |
| 512.838.8842 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim G. S. OEyhus)
Subject: Re: Why I choose HP-UX over Linux
Date: 7 Jan 1999 12:28:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Bryan D. McMeen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 5 Jan 1999 19:36:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim G. S. OEyhus) wrote:
>
>>As I have singlehandedly administered all the Hp-ux machines for a large
>>telecomms company for 3.5 years, as well as making embedded controllers
>>with linux, I think I am competent to answer this.
>>
>snip...
>
>Cool - now all I need is an MRP/ERP/supply-chain management solution
>that runs on Linux and I can tell all my clients to replace their HP
>9K's with their old 486's and a copy of RedHat... ;-)
Sure. Valid reasons for running hp-ux are:
The expensive software will not run on anything better or cheaper.
You have a lot of money to burn.
You get a lot of money to do it.
It is company religion. (Also referred to as "policy")
You are somewhat, but not very, masochistic.
Kim0
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From: Bill Voight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO 3 way boot
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:35:31 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Have you tried Partition Magic 4.0. I'm running it w/Win98 and RH5.2, no
problem.
BV
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to get linux (redhat 5), Dos, and windows 95 all bootable on the
> same machine.
>
> I don't care quite how I do it, but LILO (version 20) seems to be the nearest
> I've been so far. The partition magic boot loader will only boot the DOS
> partition and reckons the other two are not formatted. The partitions I want
> to boot are :-
>
> /dev/hda1 (dos)
> /dev/hda3 (win95)
> /dev/hda6 (redhat 5)
>
> I installed Linux with hda3 as the bootable partition, but when it set up
> LILO, it seems to have stopped looking for DOS partitions as soon as it saw
> hda1. This meant that LILO now offers to boot either hda1 or hda6, both
> successfully.
>
> I can fdisk between the win95 partition and the dos one with LILO on it, and
> all the partitions still work.
>
> I've tried to follow the mini-HOWTO on this, but when I try to run /sbin/lilo
> after changing /etc/lilo.conf as it says, the system says something like
> 'Error around line 14'. This line is the start of the second 'other'
> section, saying 'other=/dev/hda3'.
>
> Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I know I need at least version 17 of
> LILO to be able to rewrite the partition table to get around DOS thinking
> there can only be one primary DOS partition (I think!), but I can only assume
> that version 20 is also OK.
>
> IF you can help me, please copy your response to me by mail, as I tend not to
> manage to check this NG.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Dave Barnes
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: possible show-stopper?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 22:21:14 GMT
[Snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with ">"]
On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 03:37:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>steve writes:
>> would company M be able to sell a product that depended on a commonly
>> available GPL shared library that was a closed-source buy-before-you-try
>> type product?
>
>There are arguments both ways on this, but I don't think they'd risk it.
>Even if they won in court they would take a huge PR hit.
I've been thinking about this and it has me concerned. I think.
Perpsective 1: Assumes my library is available GPL and also through a
proprietary license, also assumes it becomes popular enough that it is
commonly built as a shared library. Question: Can company M sell a
product that uses my library. Answer as I read it above: No.
Perspective 2: Assumes my library uses the "standard" system
interface and X-interface libraries of Linux. In this case am I not
in the same situation as company M above with regard to some other GPL
library?
If a product runs on top of Linux and uses its provided system and X
interface libraries, is it then considered a derivative work? If it
is, then I have to choose between not making my library GPL and not
selling any proprietary licenses for it. If it is not, then how
popular does my library have to become before it's considered one of
the "standard" interfaces and therefore available for use without any
derivative work considerations? I don't know that it's possible to
release the code under GPL and also specify that it can't be made a
shared librray (ie can only be statically linked).
This seems like a genuine serious issue, but perhaps I'm just
confusing myself. -steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thompson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,pl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: good office package for linux
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:38:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <ugLk2.624$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dave Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>Hell, I downloaded it successfully four times using a 28.8. The linux,
>OS/2, and windows versions. That was four out of seven tries, but I got
>them. If I had a CD-ROM on that old machine, I would have gotten the CD
>after the first try. Believe me.
I tried downloading several times but it failed each time. For
some reason I couldn't even append to the aborted download. I
ordered the CD about a month ago and am still waiting. Grrr!
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:50:34 -0500
From: Hilary McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Adobe Framemaker on Linux?
Has anyone tried running one of the Unix versions of Adobe Framemaker on
Linux? They advertise versions for Solaris, HP, AIX, and SGI IRIX, but
not for Linux.
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