Linux-Misc Digest #520, Volume #18 Fri, 8 Jan 99 21:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Loose Nut)
Re: Scanner on parallel port (HOW) ("Todd A. Wood")
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (jedi)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (jedi)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Matt Templeton)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Liang-Shing Ng)
Re: Help : red hat root password ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux fails to boot after dual-booting Windows 95;Reinstall LILO and it works
again!? (Eric Hardwick)
Re: XF86Setup (Peter S. Frouman)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Chris Lee)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (William Sonna)
Re: help needed compiling kernel (Peter S. Frouman)
Re: StarOffice 5.0 for Linux - the end of MS Windows (Walter Strong)
specific newsgroup for S.u.S.E. ? (steve mcadams)
Linux drivers for Canopus TOTAL 3D ("Billy Bob")
Re: Linux OS NOT preemptive multitasking ? (Mark Grosberg)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loose Nut)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 23:15:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:16:18 GMT, PalmII@<remove>.com (soume yoeung
guih) wrote:
>Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
>gates. Linus says "Hey Im a gay boy and give my shit away." Bill says:
>"I own you linus mother fucker." Linus is a fuckin retard. Who else
>would make a fuckin OS with so many security holes. How many fuckers
>hack NT to run thier little eggdrop bots. You are all script kiddies.
>Who the fuck would let other people butt rape him for a kernel. Bill
>gates owns you all. I think we need to start putting tatoos on all
>these fuckin artic following homos heads.. And hopefully that tatoo
>will have bill gates head with a windows 2000 logo. I could write a
>better OS out of basic on a toaster. My on screen programming for my
>VCR is better than the gui for linux. I hope linus gets nut cancer and
>dies. Microsoft will soon buy linux so you all can get a real os. I
>cant wait for microsoft brings msinux to rape all you linux fags.
>
>Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion.
You tell mommy to get off Bills MicroSoftSchlong and turn that
computer off, and you get yourself to bed there little man, cuz I
think Bills done with mommy.
Loose Nut
___________________________________________________
"Monetary systems cannot exist without poverty."
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:57:40 +0100
From: "Todd A. Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Scanner on parallel port (HOW)
Gene Markozen wrote:
>
> I just bought a Digital Research parallel port (EPP) high
> resolution scanner.
>
> Is there a way to get it to work in Linux? I downloaded
> the SANE package, but it looks like the package doesn't
> support using the printer/parallel port. It seems that
> the package is targeted at SCSI scanners. There is a
> mention of the mustek parallel port scanner, but that has
> its own parallel port ISA card.
>
> It may be the case that I have to write my own driver.
> Does anyone know where I can find the TWAIN protocol
> documentation/specification?
I have an Epson ActionScanner II parallel port connected scanner which
uses the TWAIN drivers. I have successfully configured it on a Red Hat
5.1 machine running 2.0.34.
Have not used it in a while since I enjoy my Linux laptop more. Let me
find the details on setting it up.
Your kernel must be configured for lp support of course... in "dmesg"
you should see
...
lp0 at 0x03bc, (polling)
lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)
...
Your scanner should make some initial noise during boot, just like in
windows 95, provided it normally makes a noise when the parallel port it
scanned.
I have the package sane-0.74 installed. I just checked freshmeat.net
and looks like newer versions of sane are out, but the old version works
fine.
Sane home page is http://www.mostang.com/sane/
...
Sane configuration
My scanner is on lp1 which from above in dmesg you can see is 0x0378.
in /usr/local/etc/sane.d I created a epson.conf file.
The contents of the file is simply:
# /usr/local/etc/sane.d/epson.conf
0x378
...
Then simply
# scanimage epson
or better
# xscanimage epson
...
If I remember.. I could only get scanning to work as root.
I banged my head for hours on this problem, much like yourself... I had
one nice happy dance once this was working... then proceeded to not use
since October 15th (timestamp on my epson.conf file).
Let me know if you have any questions... remove what is obviously not
real from my email address to talk directly.
Sincerely,
Todd A. Wood
Wood Consulting Group, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:34:19 -0800
On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:31:13 GMT, John Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I admit that playing games on Linux is less than exciting.
>
>I don't now much abt computers but am abt to try
>Linux soon.
>
>I just don't understand why anyone would want to
>play a game on ANY operating system tho?? Why not
>use a dedicated device like a Sony Playstation??
Some games are more usable with a mouse and keyboard.
Other computers used to come with better game
controllers than what comes with consoles these days.
>
>Since I do not play games anyway... am I missing
>something here? <G>
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:31:36 -0800
On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:15:59 +0000, thomas lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I use SuSE and Win98. Here is the scoop...
>
>Linux is for VERY advanced users and as such, will have a small user
>base. If everyone was required to be a mechanic before they drove a car,
>the road would be very empty. By the same token, Linux requires
>heavy-duty computer skills as well as ALOT of time to configure.
It was Windows that 'encouraged' me to learn what I
would need to know to admin an Intel/Linux machine
to begin with. Without Bill's OS sandbagging, I would
have never had the requistite knowledge of the PC
arcana. Also, Linus would never had any motivation either
and he's said as much himself.
>
>While Linux might be good as a web server using apache, etc., as a desk
>top machine, it fails. Maybe in 2-3 years it might be different, but for
>right now, Bill Gates wins.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Matt Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:14:12 -0500
PalmII@ .com (soume yoeung guih) wrote:
> Linus is such a pansy mother fucker. He needs real balls like bill
> gates. Linus says "Hey Im a gay boy and give my shit away." Bill says:
> "I own you linus mother fucker." Linus is a fuckin retard. Who else
> would make a fuckin OS with so many security holes. How many fuckers
> hack NT to run thier little eggdrop bots. You are all script kiddies.
> Who the fuck would let other people butt rape him for a kernel. Bill
> gates owns you all. I think we need to start putting tatoos on all
> these fuckin artic following homos heads.. And hopefully that tatoo
> will have bill gates head with a windows 2000 logo. I could write a
> better OS out of basic on a toaster. My on screen programming for my
> VCR is better than the gui for linux. I hope linus gets nut cancer and
> dies. Microsoft will soon buy linux so you all can get a real os. I
> cant wait for microsoft brings msinux to rape all you linux fags.
>
> Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion.
Lets get real folks! If you have read all the posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(forged header). Should recognize the stile of this troll as the same. He
is a pathetic troll that can only get attention by getting people angry.
He really is not worth the effort of a response. Let's just ignore him.
Remove the .XoutX. to reply
Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liang-Shing Ng)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 8 Jan 1999 17:41:43 -0000
It is as good as public opinion that says Clinton shouldn't be
impeached.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Help : red hat root password
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 01:32:29 GMT
according to the Redhat Linux Unleased 2nd edition, you can change the
root password by:-
1 Boot the system with the boot disk
2 Mount the Root partion
3 Edit the etc/passwd file to remove any password for root
4 reboot the hard disk
5 set a new password for root
providing the system is "unsecured"
Try it anyway
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:29:01 -0500, "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
> I changed the root password for the red hat 5.2 and now I can't get into
>root. I am able to edit /etc/password and remove the password string
>but when I boot the system it gets over written. What can I do to stop it
>from doing so. Any help would be highly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Asim
>
>PS: Please e-mail replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Hardwick)
Subject: Re: Linux fails to boot after dual-booting Windows 95;Reinstall LILO and it
works again!?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:28:17 GMT
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Hardwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Eric> So the order of events is like this: 1. Turn on machine; Get
> Eric> LILO boot: prompt. 2. Choose Windows 95; Win95 boots
> Eric> correctly. 3. Shut down Win95; Reboot machine; Get LILO
> Eric> boot: prompt. 4. Choose Linux; Watch boot messages (gets
> Eric> past HDD detection, mounting drives, fsck) 5. Machine
> Eric> reboots itself when loadable modules line is displayed
> Eric> (Loading vfat...), right after vfat item is displayed.
>
>Have you tried disabling the loading of the vfat module to see if that
>is causing the problem?
I'm afraid I am new to Linux. Can anyone tell me how to do this?
>
>mp
>
>8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
>#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
>while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
>if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
>if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
>substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
>$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
>printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
>8<-----------------------here's-one-example------------------------------>8
>
>- --
> Michael Powe
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
> Portland, Oregon USA
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Thanks again.
Eric Hardwick
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S. Frouman)
Subject: Re: XF86Setup
Date: 8 Jan 1999 23:59:25 GMT
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:31:01 -0000, Sinclair Robertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me when I can down load a copy of this for RedHat 5.0 ?
It comes with Redhat in the XFree86-XF86Setup rpm. You should be able to
find it on your cd or at any redhat mirror.
--
-Peter Frouman | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zippy says:
I want a WESSON OIL lease!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 9 Jan 1999 01:32:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
>
>On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:31:13 GMT, John Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>I admit that playing games on Linux is less than exciting.
>>
>>I don't now much abt computers but am abt to try
>>Linux soon.
>>
>>I just don't understand why anyone would want to
>>play a game on ANY operating system tho?? Why not
>>use a dedicated device like a Sony Playstation??
>
> Some games are more usable with a mouse and keyboard.
> Other computers used to come with better game
> controllers than what comes with consoles these days.
Do what I did and buy a better game controller for your console. You can get
them for under $10.00 at your local Walmart/Kmart...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Sonna)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 9 Jan 1999 01:33:36 GMT
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:26:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Martin)
wrote:
> > That's PRECISELY why we have elections - to protect us from those who
> > know better.
>
> Thats democracy for you: the one person who really knows what is going on
> is outvoted by the 99 emotional hysterics.
>
That's why it must be eliminated. The emotional hysterics will accept
our glorius leader, or they will suffer his wrath!
Repeat after me...........Duce! Duce! Duce!.......�Per�n! �Per�n!
�Per�n!......�Franco! �Franco! �Franco!.....Sieg Heil!
Very good. Now put on your combat boots and go kick some emotional
hysterical butt. They don't just deserve it, they've EARNED it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S. Frouman)
Subject: Re: help needed compiling kernel
Date: 9 Jan 1999 01:31:59 GMT
On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 07:40:11 GMT, Peter Brookes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[...]
>This was a good tip thanks, heres the output, does it help??
[...]
>make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.0.34.SuSE/drivers/sound'
>gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.0.34.SuSE/include -Wall
>-Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce
>-pipe -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2
>-DCPU=586 -c -o sb_common.o sb_common.c
>sb_common.c:21: #error You will need to configure the sound driver
>with CONFIG_AUDIO option.
>make[2]: *** [sb_common.o] Error 1
>make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.0.34.SuSE/drivers/sound'
>make[1]: *** [sub_dirs] Error 2
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.0.34.SuSE/drivers'
>make: *** [linuxsubdirs] Error 2
It seems to be some problem with the sound config. What does the sound
part of .config look like? It could be that you have CONFIG_SB and
CONFIG_SOUND set to y or m but CONFIG_AUDIO (/dev/audio and
/dev/dsp support) unset. I would
do the following:
make mrproper
make config (or menuconfig or xconfig)
and check that all the sound driver settings are correct
then
make dep
make zImage
make modules
Since you are compiling a new kernel, you might as well get 2.0.36 (latest
stable version).
--
-Peter Frouman | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zippy says:
Yow! It's a hole all the way to downtown Burbank!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Strong)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: StarOffice 5.0 for Linux - the end of MS Windows
Date: 3 Jan 1999 16:04:09 GMT
@viao1> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <73h85q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <7530vg$pu1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Distribution:
Chris Vine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:22:37 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: >
: >But in the long term you have to upgrade to
: >64MB anyway, if you want to use some of the newer stuff like KDE or GNOME.
: >I'm pretty sure you will face the same problems with WP as with SO if you
: >don't get more RAM.
: You most certainly do not need 64MB for KDE or GNOME (nor for that
: matter to use WP8). You may need it if you try graphics rendering or
: something of that kind, but that is not a function of the window
: manager.
: Star Office is a slow pig - that is the truth of it.
: Chris.
: If replying by e-mail, remove the --nospam--
For what it's worth, Chris is correct. Let's not fool ourselves into
thinking that we need to have 128 meg ram to run text processing apps!
What next, 32 meg ram to get Pico going? I run wp8 on a dx66 with 16 meg
ram and it's more than fine, and no, I don't have low expectations. SO
is a memory pig because it forces you to launch that silly "desktop"
environment everytime you want to use a simple app. Come on, a desktop,
as far as your computer is concerned, is either what it sits on or just a
manner of speaking. We don't really _need_ to have one launched
everytime we come to the computer, despite whatever conditioning MS may
have succeeded at instilling in us.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: specific newsgroup for S.u.S.E. ?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 00:56:44 GMT
Is there one? -steve
========================================================
Tools for programmers: http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: "Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Linux drivers for Canopus TOTAL 3D
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:21:05 -0500
I know that Red Hat linux 5.2 supports Diamond viper 330 with RIVA chipset.
Howcome it doesn't support the canopus TOTAL 3D with the same RIVA
chipset??? I paid US $ 230 for this card and Linux doesn't suppport it ??
why ? why ? why? :-(
Asim
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From: Mark Grosberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux OS NOT preemptive multitasking ?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 08:22:13 GMT
Stephen E. Halpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> to be, but they do have their uses... telephone switching systems
> >> for example.
> >
> >well, then you've got a real time OS, not a multitasking OS. and even
> >then, the RT kernel won't be pre-empted by a task, it simply makes
> >guarantees about scheduling characteristics that a plain multitasking OS
> >can't make.
> This is false. Real-time kernels are reentrant, running various
> services at different priority levels. It is not only possible
I don't know about that. I have worked on the code for several PBX's and I
can say that most RTOS kernels get pretty cranky if you interrupt them in
the wrong time. What an RTOS does do is make sure that very little is in
the kernel. Why do you think RTOS designs have been micro-kernel like
since long before the term was a fad.
I have also seen some real-time enhancements to Linux that run "under" the
Linux kernel. I sure wish I was using them instead of company M's "new
technology" OS that tests the blue pixles of my monitor often.
> the most simple example, as a real-time kernel has no control
> over the activity of a network interface, and therefore could
> give no >reasonable< delay characteristics for user level tasks
How does a network stack like TCP/IP affect the kernel. AFAIK, it is
usually a task that responds to messages from the RTOS kernel that the I/O
hardware caused in interrupt...
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