Linux-Misc Digest #520, Volume #19 Fri, 19 Mar 99 14:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Kppp e tin ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is there a previewer for Exell and other MS files for Linux? (Miernik)
Kdat ("Andreas Moroder")
Re: Very basic newbie questions (Jeff Shern)
Re: NEED HELP !!! (Jeff Shern)
Incredibly STUPID linux question - How do I format a floppy disk? (Kristy)
Re: CPU load scheduling: Newbie question (Philip Brown)
Migrating RH Linux 5.2 to new hard drive ("Greg Waugh")
Re: Security/Password Questions (William Lacy)
Re: What is the best Linux to install? ("George Csahanin")
Re: Netatalk Installation (Rod Smith)
Downloading Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kdat (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Very basic newbie questions (John Thompson)
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: 19 Mar 1999 13:53:56 GMT
o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >i can understand linus completely. do you remember 16 bit segment
> >hell?
>
> How long does it take to fill up a 64k code+data segment? Now
> how long does it take to fill up a 4gb code+data segment? I'm
> sure that one of the days we'll see programs that are larger
> than this, but it may not be for a couple of year yet. If we
> can live with a maximum of 4gb of space per program (that's 4
> times the current limitation, 2 times if you do kernel hacks)
> the kernel will be the only entity that needs to worry about
> segment+offset addresses.
i can accept multiple processes, none of which take up more than 2 (or
perhaps 3) GB each, yet the whole thing needs more than 4 GB to fit
into memory. the heavyweight application (yes singular, if you had
two independents, you could run them on two boxen) will need to be
written so that it uses multiple processes. some database type stuff
may already be in such a form.
> segment+offset addresses are a bit of a pain, but if you're
> programming in a higher level language they certainly aren't more of
> a pain than the 68ks separate address and data registers were.
the 68k was a wonderful processor. C compilers could easily figure
out the difference between an int and a pointer and put the right
thing in the right slot. that wasn't a pain at all. you could pretty
much guess what the C code would translate into. the m68k was a fine
cpu.
the small, medium, compact, far, huge memory model thing was much more
difficult. i remember working on both m68k and x86 back in 1990 and
the m68k just *so* much easier to deal with. x86 has register
over-specialization in combination with a dearth of registers. the
16 bit segments made it suck that much more.
i remember coding C for the x86 in 16 bit mode and it was no fun to
juggle memory models. huge pointers will break C++ for sure. look at
NULL, it's an int (or maybe a long). things go wrong if pointers are
64 bit quantities and NULL is a 32 bit thing. i am not sure if the
standard allows NULL to be 0LL. i know it disallows (void *) 0
(stupid yes, but that's how it is).
if i ever need to address more than 4 GB from a single process, it is
high time for me to get a 64 bit processor. it's as simple as that.
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.windows.x.kde,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Kppp e tin
Date: 19 Mar 1999 14:02:08 GMT
Does anyone know how to connect to TIN (italian provider that use PAP
autentication)
with Linux SUSE 6.0 and kppp program?
any help will be hightily appreciated.
Thank's Emanuele
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miernik)
Subject: Re: Is there a previewer for Exell and other MS files for Linux?
Date: 19 Mar 1999 18:41:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rene Malmgren wrote:
>
>yes StarOffice works fine its free for non-comersial useras.
>take a look at
>http://www.stardivision.de
>
Yeas, but I want something small, and only for viewing, not editing,
something like QuickView under Win95.
StarOffice takes I think 50MB HDD space.
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From: "Andreas Moroder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Kdat
Date: 19 Mar 1999 12:35:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi there,
i tried to install and compile the source of kdat ( backup program ) on out
Suse linux 5.3 machine, but the configure program gives me a error ( see
below )
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... missing
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... missing
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... found
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) is a cross-compiler...
no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler
cannot cre
ate executables.
can anyone help me
Thank you
Andreas Moroder
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From: Jeff Shern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very basic newbie questions
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:57:39 -0700
> I'm wanting to get started with linux but there is some things I'd like
> to know.
>
> 1. Most people when that use linux alot are they using it thru a telnet
> session or are they or are they actually using it via the monitor and
> keyboard attached to the computer? (does it qualify as a desktop
> system?)
Well, both.. It kind of depends, if you have one computer in your house and it
has linux on it, there is a very good chance that you'll be using it locally..
if you have a bunch of computers, there is a good chance you'll telnet in.
> 2. How does most of the popular software work? - things such as GIMP
> or a HTML editor. Is it thru an X-Windows client, telnet, or must
> you use the keyboard and monitor attached to the PC?
GUI programs, such as GIMP work through X windows. You don't neccessarily have
to be at the local computer to use them. You can export your screen to another
system...
For instance, I have windows running on one box (don't ask why) and I have a
program on there called Exeed that will allow for imported X sessions.. So on my
linux box, I start X with a -display 127.0.0.2 (or whatever the IP is of the
other box) and it'll come up on my windows box.
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From: Jeff Shern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NEED HELP !!!
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:03:53 -0700
> Hi All
> I'm having problems with my display when running xwindows. I can only
> get it to run on lowest possible resolution and lowest number of colors.
> All I get with any other settings are lines tahat you get when try to
> run on higher resolution than your monitor can take.
> How can I fix this??
What kind of video card is this? If it is a Banshee, there isn't a good driver
for it out yet. The best I could get mine to do was 800*600*16 bit color.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kristy)
Subject: Incredibly STUPID linux question - How do I format a floppy disk?
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:39:41 GMT
Hey Dudes:
I need to format a 3.5" floppy disk under RHLinux 5.2, then I'm gonna
copy a *.tgz file on it for transport to another linux system.
A little help please, and no jokes! ;-)
Kristy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: CPU load scheduling: Newbie question
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 18 Mar 1999 22:56:07 GMT
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:11:49 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi:
>
> Is it possible to run jobs that take not more than say 50% (or a max
>limit) cpu load even if no other cpu intensive job is running on the
>processor? If so, how do I it? I want to run long jobs on my laptop and
>avoid it getting too hot.
How about "scale down the cpu speed"?
but I thought the main causes of heat on the laptop were:
a) the battery/power systems
b) the harddrive being used
If you can do something about those two, then it probably wont matter too much
about how much the cpu is being used.
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From: "Greg Waugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Migrating RH Linux 5.2 to new hard drive
Date: 19 Mar 1999 13:50:32 GMT
Hey fellow Linux users! I'm going to be moving my current RedHat 5.2 Linux
server to a new hard drive. Everything in the system is going to be the
same, just a new /sda drive. I'm just curious if anyone has a procedure to
do this of if it is documented anywhere. I thought I would do a cp -a * (or
a few with correct tmp mount points), then boot from a floppy with the new
HD as root and run LILO, but I'm fuzzy on how to set up the /proc and /dev
filesystem.... and if there are going to be any issues with the swap
space... Thanks everyone! Any help would be very appreciated!
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From: William Lacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Security/Password Questions
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:34:11 GMT
I probably shouldn't admit it but I messed up somehow and changed my
root password to something that I forgot (I guess). I'm really not sure
what happened. Anyway, I couldn't log in as root so I tried booting to
level one like Paul says here. No luck- I was still prompted for a
password.
I am running Debian and just upgraded to Slink so I guess this new
system is pickier- but good news! I went to linux-howto.com and read
the boot floppy howto just enough to find a boot floppy kit (I don't
have a lot of time to learn stuff right now). I went to Sunsite and got
a boot floppy kit and in like 10 minutes I was looking at my shadow file
to which I removed the root password and viola! Just like Paul says,
when I rebooted I was able to log in as root and change my password-
tinkering can now continue as usual until I mess up again (hehehe).
Thanks for the clue you guys.
Happy again =)
Paul Lemmens wrote:
>
> On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Stressed wrote:
>
> >NOTE: I am NOT using shadowing to my knowledge, (unless some sort is
> >implemented by default). This is a straightforward RHL 5.2 install with no
> >bells, buzzers or whistles. Just studying security before I put my thingies
> I'd install shadowing anyway. First check if it's not already done. If a
> file /etc/shadow exists, then you're already shadowing the passwd file. If
> not, under RH5, shadowing can be enabled by a pwconv. This updates
> everything and the pam-stuff RH uses is automatically updated/switched to
> shadowing. I'd really do this, shadowing is basic linux security.
>
> >overwritten. Hence, upon reboot, I could not log into my own system without
> >repair :-)
> Reboot again in runlevel 1 (on the lilo prompt: linux single), this
> enables you to login without password and edit the passwd file (remove all
> passwords), reboot normally, login without password and create a new
> passwd with the command passwd.
>
> Paul Lemmens Use the Force [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mobile: Read the Source www.student.kun.nl/paul.lemmens
>
> "That young girl is one of the least benightedly unintelligent organic
> life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to
> avoid meeting." (The Ultimate Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, Marvin the
> Paranoid Android)
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From: "George Csahanin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:44:14 GMT
I've tried REDHAT and Slackware, and while setup of a "pretty" Linux system
is the goal of Redhat, try compiling a new kernel. You can't, even if you
tell it in the install to load all of what you think you need. They seem to
want you to use a "stock" kernel, kinda like the blue sky and white clouds
people. Do it their way. The system setup stuff in /etc/rc.d is a laugh. Try
to customize anything, it's tough, get ready to spend time with grep looking
for where stuff is.
Slackware sets up almost as easily, and installs the kernel source. But in
every case with Slackware, I've tried to install Xserver, and always been
very disappointed. But, I don't use a gui, so that's not a problem. Want to
customize startup in /etc/rc.d no problem in Slackware, most of the rc.xxx
files are obvious, and are not links to somewhere else. It's all right
there. Change IP address, edit rc.inet1, in Redhat...not sure where the hell
it is, they almost force you to do that from the gui.
But the Win9x look-alike window manager is kinds neat looking. Very similar
to fvwm95...
My $0.02
-George Csahanin
LIN Television Corp.
Dallas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eric Melville wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>uhm, wouldn't that mean that redhat is also the "aol of linux" ??
>
>-E
>
>> redhat-fully automated
>> slackware-for do it yourselfers
>> suse-havent used, but good cde i hear
>> caldera-aol of linux i hear
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.network
Subject: Re: Netatalk Installation
Date: 19 Mar 1999 14:22:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ronald Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I almost have Netatalk completely installed, but can't connect to the
> Linux box from my Mac. Here's what happens: In chooser, select
> Appleshare, and my volume shows up. I double click my server, and I
> proceed to enter my username and password. Then, the connection fails,
> and get the message,
>
> "The connection to this server has been unexpectedly broken"
>
> I checked my passwd file, permissions, and still can't find anything
> wrong. I am running Appleshare Client 3.8.x. My linux system is Redhat
> 5.2, and I'm running Netatalk version 1.4b2. Anybody have any clues
> what I'm doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
I had a similar problem with the Netatalk RPM I originally installed. I
eventually tried a different RPM (netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.2-2), and it's
been fine. The "bad" one had a VERY similar filename. IIRC, I got the
"good" one from Red Hat's contrib ftp site.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Downloading Linux?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:54:44 GMT
I am trying to download Linux and burn it onto a CD. I am wondering what I
would need to do. Do I just download the whole directory (I have T1) and burn
it onto a CD and the installation would automatically pick it up or is there
any thing I would have to do.
(And yes, I know I can ftp install)
Jason Lam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kdat
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:18:58 GMT
On 19 Mar 1999 12:35:46 GMT, "Andreas Moroder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>i tried to install and compile the source of kdat ( backup program ) on out
>Suse linux 5.3 machine, but the configure program gives me a error ( see
>below )
>
>checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
>checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
>checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
>checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
>checking whether build environment is sane... yes
>checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
>checking for working aclocal... missing
>checking for working autoconf... found
>checking for working automake... missing
>checking for working autoheader... found
>checking for working makeinfo... found
>checking for gcc... gcc
>checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) works... yes
>checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) is a cross-compiler...
>no
>checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
>checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
>checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
>checking for gcc... gcc
>checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) works... no
>configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler
>cannot create executables.
>
>
>can anyone help me
Just a guess, but was your umask set to unmask the u+x bit?
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant, Integration Solutions Architecture
Toronto Dominion Bank
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(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Very basic newbie questions
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:26:52 -0600
David B. wrote:
>
> I'm wanting to get started with linux but there is some things I'd like
> to know.
>
> 1. Most people when that use linux alot are they using it thru a telnet
> session or are they or are they actually using it via the monitor and
> keyboard attached to the computer? (does it qualify as a desktop
> system?)
>
> 2. How does most of the popular software work? - things such as GIMP
> or a HTML editor. Is it thru an X-Windows client, telnet, or must
> you use the keyboard and monitor attached to the PC?
I use linux both from the console and through an x terminal
(actually, my old OS/2 PC running XFree86-OS/2) connected
with simple 10-base-T ethernet. The linux machine has a
P2-350mhz and 128MB RAM; the OS/2 machine has 5x86/133 and
32MB RAM. I can have two user sessions going at the same
time with no appreciable slow-down, even using notorious
memory hogs such as Star Office and Netscape.
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