Linux-Misc Digest #550, Volume #18 Sun, 10 Jan 99 14:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: howto?: run fortune at login (Sydney Weidman)
Re: Raid1? How to do that? (Gary Momarison)
Re: Red Hat Linux 5.2 (James Knott)
Re: Why exactly is linux better than Windows? ("PJ")
Re: N64/Dreamcast port (Tarcus)
upgrading libraries with slackware 3.5 (Josh Rusko)
Re: GPL Bible Software for Linux? (Ian and Iris)
checksum algorithm ("xxx")
Re: RealAudio fetcher? (Geoffrey Kenneth Holden)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Sechylmanos)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jeff Read)
Re: does the Diamond SupraExpress 56i Modem do linux? (SnJ)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
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From: Sydney Weidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: howto?: run fortune at login
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:03:44 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Right now I have fortune called in my .bashrc
>
> But this way my users get a fortune: when they login, when they open a Xterm,
> and they get two when they exit Xwindows.
>
> I just want one fortune to come up at login and no more that sesion.
>
> One of my books says to put a line into my '.login' file. Well, I don't have
> one on RedHat 5.2. If I write one where should it go?
>
> Thanks in advance, Tone
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
If you are using bash as your shell, the .bash_login file is checked for
commands to run immediately after a user is logged in. Note the dot at the
beginning of the name -- this is a 'dot file' or hidden file; it is only
displayed if you type 'ls -a'. I guess the 'a' stands for ALL. If you put the
fortune command in that file, it should do what you want.
The file should exist in each user's home directory. If you want that file to be
added automatically to every new user's home directory, then put a copy of the
file in the /etc/skel directory.
The .bash_login file is only read when starting a login shell, which an xterm is
not (if you type logout, xterm will tell you "This is not a login shell, type
exit"), so you won't get the fortune every time you start an xterm.
See 'man bash' section on Invocation for more details on controlling logins and
logouts.
Hope this helps.
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Raid1? How to do that?
Date: 10 Jan 1999 10:03:00 -0800
Yves Schlegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi Chuan,
>
> I'm sorry, I don't have an answer to your problem, but I have a problem myself
> installing raid1 support on my system. I have to hard-disks with the partitions
There's a bunch of RAID info (tutorials, HOWTOs, SW, etc.) in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/raid.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux 5.2
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:45:08 -0500
Reply-To: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dale Erwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I received a copy of Red Hat Linux 5.2 for Christmas and have been
>reading the installation guide. I am completely new to Linux and am
>wondering if this is a proper forum for asking questions. In the
>hopes that it is, can someone tell me if the OS/2 Boot Manager can
>be used to boot Linux, or must LILO be used?
You can use Boot Manager, but to do so, you must use the OS/2
FDISK to create the Linux partition. Once that is done, you use Linux
to format the partition. When you install LILO, it goes in the Linux
partition, not the master boot record.
You can also use LILO to boot OS/2, if you wish.
--
E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The above opinions are my own and not those of ISM Corp., a subsidiary of
IBM Canada Ltd.
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From: "PJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: tw.bbs.comp.linux,alt.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why exactly is linux better than Windows?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:18:35 -0500
Here here!! Good show!
PJ
Chris Smith wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Phil,
>
>Before I start, I'll make it clear that my goal is not to inspire
>further discussion on this thread. It is to inspire people to just
>maybe think before restating their views for the five millionth time.
>Or to set followups to comp.os.linux.advocacy (which I'm not doing
>because I don't subscribe to that group, so it would be a little rude).
>
>I am a member of what I remain convinced is a silent majority that just
>plain doesn't care if Linux becomes a major competitor in the desktop OS
>market. I like Linux, which is why I use it. Phil, if you don't like
>Linux, I wish you the best of luck with Windows. And as sad as this
>fact is, trying to convince many members of this newsgroup that Linux
>would make a bad *anything* is pointless. I sincerely hope that you
>have better uses for your time.
>
>Phil Lewis wrote:
>> Nonsense to you this time! Are you really trying to tell me that Linux
>> is a better development environment (or even not garbage) when
>> compared to the Inprise products or (god forbid) the MS products?
>
>I actually think *everyone* in this newsgroup would tell you that
>(including me). It's largely a matter of taste. There are practical
>arguments both ways. Most Windows IDE's have great resource editors.
>OTOH, I've often crashed Windows systems because of trivial bugs in my
>code. I've never been able to get Linux to the point where logging in
>from another VC and using `kill -9` didn't solve the problem (not that
>I've tried too hard... :-).
>
>But what really matters is that I never enjoyed programming in Windows.
>I mean, sure I enjoyed programming, but when I used Windows I literally
>took breaks every hour to go calm down and unwind. I still take a break
>every hour when I have to use a Windows system... same to a lesser
>degree even when using X. I enjoy using my console-mode Linux system
>for programming (and for other tasks). That may not be a rational
>decision by your standards, but I consider it one of the best decisions
>of my life. And you're not going to talk me out of it. Please give up.
>:-)
>
>Chris Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tarcus)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.linux
Subject: Re: N64/Dreamcast port
Date: 10 Jan 1999 15:36:55 GMT
In article <77344q$qtu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Drewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In comp.os.linux.hardware Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> There is a Playstation port AFAIK.
>
> Err... there was an april fool's joke in a german magazine (i'X)
> that some people took too serious.
2 megs of RAM and 128K of writeable space.. 256K if you get two memory
cards!
Ridiculous...
--
>From the keyboard of Tarcus himself, running Linux in the UK.
-- There are no facts, only opinions --
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From: Josh Rusko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: upgrading libraries with slackware 3.5
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:08:39 -0500
I'm running Slackware 3.5, kernel 2.0.36. I downloaded the 2.1.131
kernel source and am in the process of trying to upgrade my egcs, libs,
modules, etc. to allow me to compile the new kernel, and I'm stuck on
upgrading my libraries.
I got sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/GCC/egcs-1.0.3-glibc.x86.tar.bz2 and
sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/GCC/egcs-1.0.3-libc5.x86.tar.bz2
I installed (or so I thought) them as it said in release.egcs-1.0.3,
but it doesn'y seem to be working. it says to do the following:
bzip2 -dc egcs-1.0.3-libc5.x86.tar.bz2 | tar xvvf -
bzip2 -dc egcs-1.0.3-glibc.x86.tar.bz2 | tar xvvf -
now, I tried this while in /usr/local/src, and I ended up with libraries
in /usr/local/src/usr/lib/.......so obviously my first try was wrong.
I then tried copying both of the tar.bz2 files to /, cding to /, and
running the 2 bzip2 commands again, and still no luck. i THINK my C
libraries work, but the c++ libs do not. I couldn't even compile a C++
Hello World program.
I looked in /usr/lib/GCC (or something like that...I'm in windoze right
now...), and c++ is a symbolic link to g++. g++ is also a symbolic link
to g++. so any time I try to access the c++ libraries I get "too many
symbolic links".
what am I doing wrong?
also, which is "better", gcc or egcs? I've noticed that every time I
compile a kernel (2.0.*) with egcs I get about 8 million warnings, yet
the kernel compiles and runs fine. is it possible to switch from egcs to
gcc, and if so how hellish is the process?
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From: Ian and Iris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL Bible Software for Linux?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:24:20 -0600
Nope. 444.
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From: "xxx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: checksum algorithm
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:53:04 +0100
Where can I find the original System V algorithm for checksum (sum -r
command) ?
Thanks !
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoffrey Kenneth Holden)
Subject: Re: RealAudio fetcher?
Date: 10 Jan 1999 17:52:43 GMT
oak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I saw a utility one time that would grab a realaudio broadcast and save it
: to a file. The nice thing about it is it would keep at the retrieval until
: the entire broadcast was fetched. Anyone know where I can find this
: utility or what it's called?
: Thanks,
: -Tony
There is a Windoze utility called X-Get that does this. Maybe it would be
fine under WINE?
--
Geoff/Upsilon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.xoom.com/DeepThought
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sechylmanos)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:16:38 -0800
In article <2j3m2.155$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Omni�"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I didnt say copy a file , dickwad
> (read it next time)
> I said create a file , from nothing
First off, there is no need to be beligerant about things... The person
who you called a 'dickwad' was stating his opinion, like you said you were
with the original post. How can you expect people to respect a request
like "Please do not flame me .. its only an opinion." if you are going to
be a hypocrite (not to mention an ass) and call people things like
"dickwad"?
If you wanted some help with something you weren't sure how to do, all you
had to do was ask. For instance "How do I create a new file?" most likely
would have returned many responses that could have helped you out.
> >While in your eyes learning linux may be like learning chinese a) over a
> >billion people have done it ( not linux, chinese ) and b) at least at the
> >end you would have had the satitsfaction of having accomplished something
> >you consider difficult....
>
> its not really a challenge
> learning C or 80x86 assembler was a challenge
> I meant that it just didnt flow right , from the start
> hell I couldnt even have installed the thing
> if the CD I had didnt have an autoboot funtion on it
> yu gotta remember dude
> I'm talking like 10 minutes after instalation
> well 10 minutes after a MSDOS installation
> I was cruising
> I didnt have a headache like I do with linsux
>
The way I see it, something like learning a new OS is either a challange
or it is easy. Obviously, it is not easy for you to learn linux. If it
was, you wouldn't be posting the messages you have been. You are used to
dos, you are happy with dos, and there is no reason that I can see that
you should run linux. Unless there is a specific reason you NEED to, just
stick with what you like. Linux isnt for everyone. If you don't like it,
don't use it, but don't waste peoples time with juvenile posts to
newsgroups where people are asking for help.
> I cant even get to the CD drive
> I type \dev\hdb andf I get permission denied
> and I'
> m supposed to be root
> WTF???
OK, so you get an error when you try to do something. It happens on any
operating system that is out there.. and no matter how loud you yell,
complaining about it isnt going to solve the issue. Did you check the
permissions on the CD-ROM? Are you sure it's at /dev/hdb? did you
remember to type 'cd /dev/hdb'? I have gotten my share of permission
denied messages, and I have figured out why, and solved the problem. It
is that simple.
> and I'm just wondering if its going to be worth learning this illogical OS
> as I dont believe it has a better future than any MS product
> we are talking user friendly here
> after all it is PnP these days
> and no-one can screw up a win or NT instalation
> but look atr all the
> "hel" posts on the unix NG's
> I rest my case
Is it going to be worth learning? In my opinion, if you take the time to
learn Linux, you will see why so many people are using it. It is solid,
completely customizable to your needs, and free of charge. You can get a
huge amount of software for almost any need (most of it free), and once
you have it set up the way you like, you most likely will never have to
touch the configuration again.
You say no one can screw up a Windows or WinNT install? That's new to me.
I work as a computer consultant, and I see the results of people
(apparently doing the impossible) screwing up an install. You point out
that there are a huge amount of "help" posts to unix newsgroups... That
says to me that the unix users know how to find help and information.
Most people I have to support daily would not have any clue what a
newsgroup is.
Everything is PnP these days because noone wants to take the time to do
ANYTHING for themselves. Noone wants to know how a computer works, they
just want it to do exactly what they need, right then, and right there,
with no effort on their part. I can see someone wanting 'user friendly',
but anything worth having requires effort of some sort. Personally, I
found linux installation to be just as 'user friendly', if not more so,
than a windows95 or NT installation.
Once again: Basically, if you don't like it, don't use it. Noone will
get their feelings hurt if you want to use windows.
Sechylmanos
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From: Jeff Read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:31:33 -0500
David Kastrup wrote:
> He is confusing this federation with a group of loonies called the
> "Citizens for a Sound Economy), http://www.csef.org. They don't say
> who paid for the study, but they also demand things like not investing
> money in education, not signing any treaties against global pollution
> and so on.
Those are actually good things. Have you ever taken a good look at our
federal education programs? They're making our kids dumber, not smarter.
Furthermore, to get the money from the Feds, who hold the purse strings
your school district MUST ACCEPT things like Goals 2000, OBE, etc. And
while I'm not all for pollution (I have a strong reaction to polluted
air including allergies), I think there are serious scientific flaws
with the doomsday environmental message that Al Gore and company have
been going around preaching. I think it's important to keep this
nation's commerce and free enterprise system thriving and the CSEF is
doing some good things along those lines.
However, the question in Microsoft's case is not whether the antitrust
laws are a good or bad thing. It's whether or not the antitrust laws,
duly derived from the Constitution (the federal government has the power
to regulate interstate commerce) and not repealed since their passing,
apply. In Microsoft's case, since it has repeatedly used predatory
anticompetitive tactics against other companies such as Netscape, Lotus,
Intuit, Digital Research and WordPerfect, I submit that these laws do
apply, all the public opinion polls in the world not withstanding.
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Jeff Read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/ http://genpc.home.ml.org
Unix / Linux / Windows Hacker, / Boycott Microsoft!
Anime & Sonic Fan, / Use Linux/GNU!
All Around Nice Guy / Let's keep the Net and the Land FREE!
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From: SnJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: does the Diamond SupraExpress 56i Modem do linux?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:54:28 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No it is not. I just picked up one of these to replace a SupraMax modem
which is. It'll work fine.
john
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is my Diamond SupraExpress 56i Modem a WinModem? Diamond won't answer my
> questions.
>
> If it is, what would be a good, hassle free modem to buy for RedHat 5.2?
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:02:41 GMT
On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:18:41 -0800, "Poison Ivan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>Perry Pip wrote in message ...
>
>>>In what sense are consumers overpaying for software? Most consumers get
>>>Win98 for about $90 (the retail upgrade price). If I remember right, OEMs
>>>pay about $70. Compared to most popular software, this is pretty darn
>cheap.
>>>Especially considering that an OS enables the user to run all his other
>>>software.
>>
>>READ my link you dumb ass
>
>
>Does your webpage have a lot of cuss words and insults on it?
>
>People who use ad hominem attacks are bad debaters. Based on what I've seen
>so far, I can only conclude your webpage would be a waste of my time.
>
>I invite you to prove me wrong.
Actually its not his webpage. Its the report from that loonie-toon
bunch that claims MS is ripping people off. They claim that Microsoft
is charging $335 for Word when it only takes 5 minutes at Best Buys
to find it in theirr $90 Home Essentials bundle. Of course, honesty
never was a Naderite's strong suit.
>>The tables show MS prices are well above competitors
The tables only have list prices which no one pays.
>
>
>I said consumers are paying a lot less for Windows than they value Windows,
>and therefore they are happy. Most consumers believe they are *under*-paying
>for Windows.
>
>>>So I suspect Microsoft is keeping the price of Windows artificially *low*.
>>>The low prices are how Microsoft maintains its monopoly. Artificially low
>>>prices make for very happy consumers, but competing OS producers obviously
>>>hate it.
>>
>>Bullshit. I pay $2 for Linux.
>
>
>What does the price of Linux have to do with the value Windows provides its
>users? They are completely unrelated.
>
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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