Linux-Misc Digest #602, Volume #18 Wed, 13 Jan 99 18:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. (Jim Howes)
3com Megahertz 10/100 LAN CardBus PC Card ? (Patrice Bonhomme)
Re: Linux, Unix or Unix alike? (James Youngman)
NT & RHL 5.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: * and dot files (James Youngman)
Q: Downloading and installing Linux (Morten Frederiksen)
Apache resource question (Cliff Etzel)
Re: Dual mice problems (Kertis Henderson)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Toon Moene)
Re: * and dot files (Matt Steinhoff)
Really weird samba problem (Ben Sandler)
Sound Editing on Linux ("Lars Preben S. Arnesen")
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (Gary)
Re: Fonts still microscopic on Netscape ("G. Pollack")
Linux news server over dial-up for networked MS clients such as Agent (Sean Akers)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jeremy Mathers)
Question on ghostscript drivers (Timothy Cullip)
HELP!! (Rachel)
Re: GUIDs on UNIX/LINUX? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: filesystem cacheing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Which version (Ian Hay)
Re: does the Diamond SupraExpress 56i Modem do linux? (Michael Perry)
Re: Midnight commander - mcserv (Peter S. Frouman)
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From: Jim Howes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:48:04 +0000
John Edstrom wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Randal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think this is where 'ease of use' issues can come back and bite
> people. For example. I have NT4 on my laptop. (NT came with the
> computer, I had no choice except between NT and W98, I chose NT. I
> _use_ Linux and keep NT around for games and taking images off of
> digital camera.)
There are various tools around for doing this, such as SANE, and a
nifty tool called photopc, which I use to grab images off an Olympus
camera; Even the wierd kodak cameras with their proprietary image
formats have been sorted out in SANE now I beleive. I find photopc
far more useful (for use in five-minute scripts etc.) than the stuff
bundled with the camera; anyhow, that's not what I'm writing about...
> I tried to install it and the installer claimed that my
> XYZ.DLL (I've forgotten the real name) was not new enough, should it
> install a newer version for me, yes or no?
This is a really major problem with windows as I see it. Even our own
software insists on some version of some dll or other. Eventually, it
means that there is no such thing as a 'version' of windows. After
you install products X, Y, and Z, you might have gone through three
different versions of things like unidrv.dll, or something even more
critical. As you say, who knows what effect these have on other
applications in the system.
If you have installed StarOffice on a libc5 system, you'll have had to
install libc6. If you think of .so libraries as being dll's, (they
are about as close as you are going to get) then you could end up with
the same conflicts. There are many ways around this problem in Linux
and other unixes, because you can run any application with it's own
set of peculiar libraries using LD_LIBRARY_PATH, or, as I did, just
putting all staroffice's libraries in a directory, and adding them to
the end of the standard search path so existing applications won't
find them unless they look for them. So if anyone asks what DLL's
I have on my system, I can tell them exact versions, and run software
in an environment with different versions if I need to without
disturbing anything else. I have no such choice in Windows unless
the programmer thought to allow it.
> Two things struck me.
>
> 1) How is a naive user, the ideal person for whom MS has selflessly
> devoted millions of man hours and billions of dollars to please,
> supposed to make an informed decision?
A properly written application ought to just install it's own
libraries; given that libc.so.5.4.33, libc.so.6 (2.0.7.so)
and for that matter libc.so.4.7.6 can coexist on the same
system without any problems whatsoever.
>
> 2) I couldn't imagine why such a light-weight, simple application
> needed to muck around with system-level libraries. E-postcards are
> not rocket science.
The reason is probably rather trivial, and usually points to laziness
somewhere on part of Microsoft or the programmer concerned.
Either way, it always leads to a situation where in order to get the
system into a state where a tech can diagnose or fix a problem over
the phone, the phrase 'please reinstall windows' is used.
This may well fix the problem, only for the system to be broken
again when the user installs a new application.
My policy? Hard disks are for applications, network disks are for
data. If users break those rules, it's their lookout. Given the
ease with which I can insert a linux boot disk, and bring down an
OEM Windows 95 preinstall from a remote tape drive onto their
hard disk, boot it, and leave it installing itself, I've virtually
given up trying to fix problems caused by suspect DLL's.
I _never_ call MS tech support, because 1) I can't afford it,
and 2) the word 'support' is not usually relevant. On the
rare occasion I actually get through to someone who knows what
he is talking about*, and ask him politely not to talk down to
me like they usually try to, the result is usually, "something
is really screwed up, reinstall, and tell me if you still have
problems after that".
*: Most support tech's just search through databases of problem
reports, and try and find something relevant. Many other companies
are like this. Panasonic are a recent headache. Their response
to my problem (with the highly dubious technology known variously
as the 'winprinter') was 'There are no reported problems with the ....'
Yes there is. I reported one. That makes at least one reported
problem. Aaargh!.
In all, I don't hate Microsoft 100%, I have to reserve some for
Panasonic.
This was going to be a short post, appologies for the sprawl..
I'll shut up now.
Regards,
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrice Bonhomme)
Subject: 3com Megahertz 10/100 LAN CardBus PC Card ?
Date: 13 Jan 1999 13:22:58 GMT
I am currently looking for a driver for this Card ? Any help ?
Thanks,
Pat.
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, Unix or Unix alike?
Date: 12 Jan 1999 21:37:20 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) writes:
> UNIX is a trademark of ATT.
> Linux contains no ATT code, and does not have permission from ATT to use
> the name Unix. It is not byte code compatible with any Unix
Linux will indeed run binaries from several other versions of Unix.
The x86 version will run SCO and other iBCS-conforming executables.
The SPARC version of Linux will run SunOS binaries, and the SGI
verison of Linux (a work in progress) will run some Irix binaries.
I'm not sure what the situation is with Alpha with regard to
Ultrix/OSF1/Digital Unix/VAX/PDP11 compatibility.
> but then no Unix is with any other either. Linux is a Unix like
> system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install;
Subject: NT & RHL 5.2
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:31:11 GMT
I would like ot make the NT 4.01 Boot Loader aware of a RHL 5.2 partition on
another HDD. I want ot be able to use the NT BL instesd of LILO, can this be
done?
Thanks
MJT
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: * and dot files
Date: 12 Jan 1999 21:40:00 +0000
Pascal Rigaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've looking around for a while for the best solution to get all the
> files, even the dot files.
For example, echo $(ls -a) But take care, this includes "." and "..".
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From: Morten Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Q: Downloading and installing Linux
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:40:45 GMT
I have tried downloading Redhat Linux 5.2 (i386) (all files from
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/redhat-5.2/i386/) and then record
everything on a CD.
Creating the bootdisk was succesfull, but the installation program was
unable to detect my Adaptec 1520 SCSI-adapter. As my CD-rom drive is SCSI,
I cannot install Linux. Does anyone know this problem, how to solve it
and/or where to seek information?
I tried the installation on another PC, where the installation detected
the CD-rom drive (IDE). However, the installation does not recognize the
CD in the drive as the Linux CD, and consequently stops the installation.
Is the CD required to have a particular label or to be burnt in any
particular way?
Regards
Morten Frederiksen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.but.auc.dk/~33frede/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cliff Etzel)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Apache resource question
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:46:16 GMT
I have Apache basically running on my LAN, but I am trying to find information
about setting up permissions to directories, linking ftp to these users
folders, etc. A lot of it seems kind of cryptic, so I was wondering is there
a resource, either on the web, or in an easy to understand book that explains
how to configure this?
TIA for any replies
Cliff Etzel
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From: Kertis Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dual mice problems
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:45:12 -0500
Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kertis Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have need to use two pointers. They both use the MS 2-button
> > protocol.
>
> This may be a red herring but AFAIK the two most used protocols are
> "Mouse Systems" and "MicroSoft". You will note that both have the
> initials "MS". Just a thought.
My apologies. I should have written "Microsoft".
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Kertis Henderson
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From: Toon Moene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:44:45 +0100
russell clarke wrote:
>
> as earlyer said comparing Linux vs windows is like comparing a fork and
> a spoon.
Oh, sure. Unfortunately, the only thing I'm offered for food is soup,
and Windows is a fork, while Linux is a spoon.
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From: Matt Steinhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: * and dot files
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:11:19 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.
Argh!
No, no, no.
Given his example of /tmp, if he deleted the directory and then
recreated it, all sorts of stuff could break while the directory was
not of this world. Sure, it would be for less than a couple seconds
but that's still way too long.
Using find is probably the best way to go. Scripted, it should
Matt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You need to remove your 'dot' files separately. If you didn't, you would
> remove '.', and '..', which would remove your entire system right down
> through the root directory! Be happy your command didn't remove the
> 'dots'.
> If you want to clean out the directory, cd back a level, and do a 'rm
> -rf <directory name>', then recreate it.
>
> Dennis
>
> Pascal Rigaux wrote:
> >
> > I've looking around for a while for the best solution to get all the files, even
> > the dot files.
> >
> > For eg: rm -rf /tmp/* to clean the tmp
> > But it misses the dot files.
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From: Ben Sandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Really weird samba problem
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:51:26 +0000
I have a share mounted on another Linux machine which contains Tcl/Tk
programs. We'll call my machine A and the mounted machine B. Often,
when I make changes in tcl files on B, when I run them on A, I get
errors about missing close brackets. But when I run the same program on
A, it works fine. I'm not sure, but running ntpdate on A (syncing my
clock with internet time) seems to help. Originally the two machines
had been about 20 minutes off, but I still had the problem when they
were only a few seconds off. Also, smbumounting and smbmounting again
fixes it as well.
This is really weird, and makes for an unstable environment. Anyone
know what to do about it?
Thanks,
- Ben
PS. I am running standard installs of RedHat 5.1 on both machines (samba
version is samba-1.9.18p5-1).
PPS. Please Cc: to email. thanks
--
Ben Sandler
email me: sandler at ymail dot yu dot edu
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From: "Lars Preben S. Arnesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound Editing on Linux
Date: 13 Jan 1999 22:57:21 +0100
I need a real good sound editor for Linux.
Is there a Linux sound editor that is like Cool Edit Pro for Windows
or is there no alternative to Windoze world?
--
Lars Preben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:49:40 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:47:36 -0500, "Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>David Steuber wrote in message ...
>>Netnerd, I gotta ask you one question. Why would a Microsoft
>>spokesperson use such a silly pseudonim? You represent your company
>>poorly. Or is this like a football game for you? You aren't really a
>>Microsoft employee, it is just your favorite teem?
>
>
>I am not and never have been a Microsoft employee.
>
>I don't even go to their seminars.
>
>
He just likes to wallow around in all things m$ , check out his ISP -
MSN.
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From: "G. Pollack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fonts still microscopic on Netscape
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:26:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have SuSE 5.3 and Netscape 4.5. I couldn't compile xfstt myself (didn't
> want to behave) so I got a binary from a friend. It worked fine. I
> installed a bunch of ttf fonts and ran xfstt from .xinitrc and it works.
> Netscape recognized all the new fonts I put into the correct directories, and
> they work. All the fonts *look* fine, BUT, they are super tiny! So I changed
> .xinitrc to run xfstt --res 96. No change at all. I haven't tried starting
> X with -dpi ***, yet though.
>
> My screen is 1152 x 864 on a 17" monitor. I would think that wouldn't bee too
> much of a deal...
>
> Can anyone help?
>
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Look at the file netscape.ad; this has information about how to set
xresources for netscape. In order to get visible fonts in the newreader,
for example, I had to include the following in my .Xdefaults file:
Netscape*XmLGrid*fontList:\
-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*,\
-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*=BOLD,\
-*-helvetica-medium-o-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*=ITALIC
--
Gerald Pollack
Dept. of Biology, McGill University
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Akers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Linux news server over dial-up for networked MS clients such as Agent
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:37:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a small intranet at home which uses a Linux server for dial-up
connection to the Internet.
I would like to know if it is possible to set up my Linux server to
perform the following News services :
1. When a client on another machine on my intranet requests a
particular news article it will as the Linux server for the article.
If the article is not available on the Linux server, it will dial up
my ISP and download the requested article and pass it on to the remote
client when complete. (PPP and diald is fully configured and
operational on my server).
2. Maintain a current list of all available news groups from my ISP's
news server and from various other news servers (such as IBM's or
Creative Labs and to be able to server articles from any of these
servers.
3. Only download those articles requested by the remote client when
requested but keep them available locally in case another user wishes
to read them.
I have looked at Leafnode which at first glance seemed to do as I
wanted but unfortunatetly if always downloads the entire newsgroup
when a single article is requested which is not what I want. I just
need it to download particular articles only.
Any suggestions much appreciated.
Cheers,
Sean.
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comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:50:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
BobO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
>Actually the wording would have been better if he had said, But I
>think it is pretty clear that you would not be in a right mind if you
>were trying to do anything that is critical you stay up and running
>using Win9x/NT. I am sure lots of critical work gets done on both
>systems, but stability may not be the critical factor.
Actually, I am giving consumers credit (probably more than they deserve).
I don't think most of them are as stupid as a lot of us seem to believe.
Most consumers think it is normal for their computers to crash at
least once a day - and, as such, that nothing critical ought to be
done on such a system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Cullip)
Subject: Question on ghostscript drivers
Date: 13 Jan 1999 14:02:13 GMT
I'm trying to set up ghostscript to be able to print postscript
files to an Epson printer and am having trouble getting it
just perfect.
I have an Epson Stylus Photo (it doesn't say 700, what is the
difference between this and the Photo 700?) and am trying to use
the uniprint driver which takes *.upp files to specify the printer's
characteristics.
Unfortunately there isn't a .upp file for this model and I can't
seem to get proper output using the other stc*.upp files.
The closest I can come is that the stc500ph.upp works great if
I want to print at 720x720 resolution, but it takes too long
(about 5 minutes to print a page).
I would like to print at 360x360 and can come close to correct
with the stc500p - the color printing looks perfect, but the
black/greyscale printing has horizontal strips missing.
Does anyone know if the stc600*.upp files (especially the stc600pl.upp
for 360x360dpi) will work on the newer model 640?
Any suggestions would be greatly appriciated.
--
Tim Cullip
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From: Rachel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP!!
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:43:49 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi! Does anyone know what the command who � sort+4 does ?
Thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: GUIDs on UNIX/LINUX?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:15:19 GMT
Logan writes:
> By the way, am I remembering this incorrectly, or does "rpcgen" generate
> universally unique serial numbers?
Nothing can generate a number certain to be universally unique. The best
way to generate a number highly likely to be unique is to generate a large
random one (not pseudorandom).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filesystem cacheing
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:03:39 GMT
David Rivenburg wrote:
> Alternatively, is there a way in a user-space program running
> as root to read a sector directly from a hard drive without
> invalidating anything the kernel knows about the drive?
Just read the device file. That is the sort of thing it's for.
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From: Ian Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which version
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:56:52 -0500
Chris Welch wrote:
>
> Vasilis Serghi wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, I'm getting very anti Win 95 at the moment, and have been
> > considering getting a Lynux OS. This whole thing is very new to me. I
> > understand that there are different variants of the Unix OS, such as
> > S.U.S.E and Red Hat etc. I bought a mag which had the SUSE OS on the
> > cover disk, although I read that the Red Hat version is easier to
> > install.
> >
> > What are the differences between these variants and which is better
> > suited for a complete novice.
> >
> > Any help is appreciated.
>
> Debian 2.0
>
> Red Hat still uses libc5 and not 6 (so I hear), so it's not moving along
> with the crowd.
Then you heard WAAAAY wrong. Linux has been using glibc since version
5.0 (now at 5.2, 6.0 around the corner), and until recently was one of
the ONLY two distributions to use glibc.
I.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: does the Diamond SupraExpress 56i Modem do linux?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:46:57 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:30:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is my Diamond SupraExpress 56i Modem a WinModem? Diamond won't answer my
>questions.
>
>If it is, what would be a good, hassle free modem to buy for RedHat 5.2?
>
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I use a diamond supra 56i flashed to v.90. I disable pnp by setting a few
jumpers on the modem. It works quite well in linux.
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Michael E. Perry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter S. Frouman)
Subject: Re: Midnight commander - mcserv
Date: 13 Jan 1999 22:28:43 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:47:33 +0200, Theo van der Merwe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>It seems like mcserv is not installed by default. I have tried the ftp sites
>suggested in www.filez.com, but haven't been able to download a working copy
>yet. Where can I obtain a copy of mcserv for Redhat Linux 5.0?
Go to http://www.gnome.org/mc/ and get the latest source tarball
(4.1.36?). It comes with a mc.spec file which you can use to build rpms
for Redhat. mcserv is usually built as a seperate rpm. You can
automatically compile and build the rpms by running a command like 'rpm
-tb mc-4.1.36.tar.gz' Alternatively you can just get the mcserv rpm from
any redhat mirror, for example:
ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat/redhat-5.2/i386/RedHat/
RPMS/mcserv-4.1.35-2.i386.rpm
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