Linux-Misc Digest #603, Volume #18 Wed, 13 Jan 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
rights on dos-partition (Konstantin Seiler)
Re: Julian Day Calculations Explained.... (Anonymous)
Re: Anti-other-guys-os FUD (was: Anti-Linux FUD) (David Kastrup)
Re: NT & RHL 5.2 (THOMAS J. STIEHM)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (David Kastrup)
Re: make zImage => goes wrong , make dep clean => goes alright (Kenyon Ralph)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... (Bill Anderson)
Re: FIPS won't run on my tosh 430CDT (Philip Charles)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Alexander Viro)
Re: samba automount? install suid? (steve mcadams)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Mike)
50MB US$22 or HK$98 www.yourname.com ("Ko Man Kit")
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (David Kastrup)
Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux... (bill davidsen)
Re: sbin directories (Was: Anti-Linux FUD) (Paul Martin)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Konstantin Seiler)
Subject: rights on dos-partition
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:37:54 +0100
When I mount my Win-Dos partition only Root can write on it. but I'd like to
allow it to other users, too. How can I change this?
Konstantin Seiler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.xoom.com/ciman
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:20:32 +0100
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Julian Day Calculations Explained....
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On 13 Jan 1999 00:25:39 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark8467) trolled ineptly:
>Your math on this is way off.
>
Liar! Your brain is way off.
>
>...I am not even going to start.
>
No wonder, since you're loathsomely incompetent.
>
>Oh, heck here is one, Julian days are only the first three numbers...
>
See explanation below, professor marky-warky, and be edified.
>
>...the rest of the placesetting are the times.
>
wank wank
>
>You give different dates with the same julian date.
>
wank wank and double-wank
>
>Get a education!
>
wank wank
You mean like "an" education? Back to troll school with you, marky-warky.
The Julian dating system commonly used by astronomers must NOT be confused
with the Julian calendar, but was named for the classical scholar Julius
C�sar Scaliger(1484-1558) by his son Joseph Justis Scaliger(1540-1609),
a prolific writer whose works were published posthumously in 1610. Among
his crowning achievements was a scientific study of previous calendars
entitled 'Opus de emendatione tempore'(dated 1583).
The first Julian day of the Julian Period("Scaliger Cycle" of 7980 years)
was assigned by Scaliger as day ZERO(0) starting at at precisely 12 AM GMT
January 1, 4713 BC(proleptic Julian calendar). Astronomical calculations
are based on the same Julian system but are exactly 12 hours LATER plus one
whole year LATER than this for BC dates, so -4712-01-01 = 12 PM GMT January
1, 4713 BC, so Julian dates are calculated by adding the number of days from
-4712-01-01 plus the mathematical fraction of that particular day counting
from noon +/-. While Scaliger originally designated 12 AM GMT as xx.00, it
is convention for all astronomical calculations to recognize xx.00 as 12 *PM*
(noon)GMT beginning a Julian day, with xx.25 as 6 PM GMT, xx.50 as 12 AM, etc.
Historical/chronological dating is typically rendered as an simple integer,
e.g., anytime starting 12 AM GMT Thursday, September 19, 457 BC through 11:59
PM GMT corresponds to Julian Day 1554766, while in astronomical terms that
same Julian date is reckoned in Jerusalem, Israel would be JD 1554766.00000
*only* at 2:00:00 PM Jerusalem time, since Jerusalem time is at GMT +02:00.
12:00 PM(noon) in Jerusalem is 10:00 AM in Greenwich, England, so 12:00 PM
in Jerusalem on September 19, 457 BC corresponds to JD 1554765.91667, since
22/24's of 1 = 0.9166666666667, truncated to five decimal places = 0.91667,
which is added to the PREVIOUS Julian day. New Moon/Full Moon astronomical
data is provided for reference to the Jewish lunisolar calendar dates, since
these months don't always begin on the new moon[Heb. molad], but are often
delayed for one or two days pending *observation* of the new moon, and/or in
accordance with strictly-observed Jewish lunisolar calendar rules, most of
which calendric rules are based in the Hebrew Torah(Law), and in ALL cases
have been based on both observation and calculation from the time of Moses.
Next case, please...
:)
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Anti-other-guys-os FUD (was: Anti-Linux FUD)
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:42:26 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim G) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas R.
>Stevenson) wrote:
> >
> >I wish this could turn into a real conversation on the weak/strong
> >points of both OSs. That could lead to important changes that could
> >benefit everyone. As it is now, these threads will do nothing more
> >than provide comic relief.
>
> Unfortunately this would require the Linux folks to admit that the folks
> at MS actually are as intelligent as they are.
The problem is that the policy deciding intelligent people at MS are
sitting in the marketing, acquisition and legal departments.
> This would also mean the Linux folks would have to know and
> understand the valuable things that windows 9x and windows NT have
> brought to the world of computing. I design IA32 (intel
> architecture) systems and have used virtually every OS that runs
> on this architecture. They all have strengths and weaknesses.
The problem with Windows is that the standard answer of Microsoft to
competitive products is one of "we'll buy them out and somehow squeeze
their stuff into ours", "we will add more glitzy features to surpass
them".
There is too little motiviation for the "what we claim to have
finished, we'll make working right and stably before doing the next
thing" in the decisions taken at Microsoft.
> THERE IS NO IA32 OS THAT IS PERFECT.
However Windows does not stand a chance of ever getting more perfect,
because there is much too much "innovation" as compared to
consolidation happening.
> Most are a long ways from really doing what real people need.
> Compared to the other "tools" that humans use, computer are
> extremely primitive.
Yes, take for example a hammer. Two parts made out of entirely
different materials (one of it even being of fibrous biotech origin),
stably joined with a mechanism based on flexibility. Trying to drive
a nail with a computer would look extremely primitive, in comparison.
But probably Microsoft will offer a plug and play solution for
Windows, something like "heavy impact technology".
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (THOMAS J. STIEHM)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install;
Subject: Re: NT & RHL 5.2
Date: 13 Jan 1999 15:15:42 GMT
I don't believe this can be done. But if you install Linux and LILO
after NT they will play nicely with the NT 4.01 Boot Loader.
Tom
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I would like ot make the NT 4.01 Boot Loader aware of a RHL 5.2 partition on
: another HDD. I want ot be able to use the NT BL instesd of LILO, can this be
: done?
: Thanks
: MJT
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:43:28 +0100
Toon Moene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> russell clarke wrote:
> >
> > as earlyer said comparing Linux vs windows is like comparing a fork and
> > a spoon.
>
> Oh, sure. Unfortunately, the only thing I'm offered for food is soup,
> and Windows is a fork, while Linux is a spoon.
Windows uses "spawn". Linux has "fork".
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenyon Ralph)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: make zImage => goes wrong , make dep clean => goes alright
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:41:41 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:53:03 +0100, Paul Lemmens wrote:
> >I don't know for sure, but try doing a 'make distclean' which will make
> >it all fresh. Then try everything over again.
> Perhaps a make mrproper will do the trick too.
'Make mrproper' and 'make distclean' both do the same commands in the
Makefile.
--
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From: Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:44:43 -0700
"Omni�" wrote:
>
> Tim Trainor wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Omni� wrote:
...
> > >LOL. Now here's a statement worth arguing about, but since you're so hot
> in
> > >programming, try recompiling the NT kernel to leave out support for
> PCMCIA
> > >cards. It can be a little tricky, but since you're such a programmer it
> > >shouldn't be a problem.
> >
> > would you like some help in that dept?
> > its not as hard as you think
> > once your used to it
> > I guess the same arguement goes for unix
>
>> So you are implying you've done this? More BS. Where did you get the
>> source?
>
> no of course not , I never mentioned source
> but NT is configuarable , you just need to know how
Recompiling a kernel requires the sources, thus the sources were
mentioned in the original question.
Changing a few config options in NT is not the same as compiling a
kernel.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Charles)
Subject: Re: FIPS won't run on my tosh 430CDT
Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:47:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try a later version eg fips20, available from your local ftp site.
Phil
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:59:47 +0100, Johan Prins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>FIPS keeps telling me that filesystem 0Eh is unknown, while the starting
>message of fips
>states FAT32 support. What's wrong? I use FIPS version 15c.
>
>--
>Johan Prins
>Johan.Prins at synstar-international com
>
>
--
Philip Charles. My home page:- http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~philipc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 18:49:28 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> DOS was written by somebody else
>>and Gates paid a measly $75k for it.
>
>
>I'm following this thread with interest.
>
>I'm curious..... what was the "idea" with
>developing DOS anyway??
DOS-1.0? Porting The System That Should Never Exist (CP/M) to the
processor that should never exist (8086).
>I mean...... why couldn't have an operating system
>like Linux be developed a LONG time ago and used
>on the early PC's and DOS could have never
>existed??
You mean UNIX? Well, there was UNIX on PCs. It was called Xenix
(offspring of v7, parent of SCO). Authors - Microsoft. The other thing being,
there was a large, erm, "culture" around CP/M (bastardized ripoff of RSX-11 /
RT-11). It was *not* an OS. DOS-2.0 was an improvement over *that*. BTW,
DOS-2.0 was an attempt to UNIXify DOS-1.0. You could say
type c:/foo/bar/baz.txt >/dev/prn
and it would work. To start with, they added directories to the beast. They
added a UNIXish API for file operations (original used FCBs). They even made
a pseudo-directory /dev and populated it with devices (took away somewhere in
3.x). They added (piss-poor) redirections. They added API for process creation
(original lacked it; CP/M had no processes at all, DOS-1.0 allowed to hack the
thing in bare metal). BTW, / as a path separator is not a typo - it worked on
all versions of DOS since 2.0 (OK, ones that I've seen). They rewrote a kernel
(typical separation into upper half and bottom half; drivers; process contexts
yodda, yodda). Looks like at some point they implied that DOS will be made
similar to the real thing and will eventually be replaced by it. Somewhere
between 3.30 and 4.0 (*worst* M$ system *ever*) they dropped that idea.
Reason for choosing CP/M as starting point? Software base and intended
users. Oh, and they wrote applications under CP/M for ~5 years themselves.
DOS programming "culture" considers working with bare metal as virtue. It went
straight from CP/M and festered for many years in DOS and (later) Windows.
Lack of sources was also common, so dropping tons of shit from API wasn't an
option. Any real protection would break a lot of software. They got stuck in
that pile of shit and fed it themselves. Invention of personal computers lead
to terrible step back - it managed to breed several generations of programmers
who never seen an OS. Welcome back to 50's. OK, author of CP/M was pure
hardware guy, ditto for Jobs and Wozniak. Gates... Well, he started on a
system that lacked virtual memory (pre-VM TOPS-10, AFAIK).
>Was DOS the only way to get an OS on such machines
>back then??
No. 8086 is ugly, no doubt, but it allows non-paging type of
Unices. Proof - Unices that run/ran on it (look for Coherent, Minix, etc.)
>I mean DOS is an OS that has been stripped of
>networking, multi-tasking, etc... right??
It had no networking in its genealogy, so there was nothing to strip.
To be honest, at that moment ('81) UNIX had no networking as you know it.
UUCP was there, but it's a bit different thing. I don't know about UNIX
implementations of NCP (base protocol of old ARPANET) and TCP/IP (which had
replaced NCP) was developed on TWENEX. Earlier development went mostly on
TENEX. BSD reimplemented TCP/IP stack around '83, IIRC. Since DEC did all it
could to kill PDP-10 and its OSes (TOPS-10, TENEX, TWENEX, ITS, WAITS)...
Well, they succeeded. They wanted to migrate PDP-10 folks to VAXen (i.e. VMS).
They did it so dirty that large part of their userbase switched to BSD (on
the same VAXen). Oh, and to SunOS (branch of BSD that started about the same
time). DARPA folks participated in development of 4BSD, so...
Multi-tasking? Heh. CP/M was intended to be real-time OS (pretty poor
at it). Design goals of RT OSes and time-sharing ones are *very* different.
So there...
>Bottom line..... why was DOS ever born anyway??
Because IBM wanted CP/M-like system. And they didn't like UNIX.
Moreover, if idea that IBM-PC may be used for something serious would occur
to IBM management they'ld probably kill the project on the spot. They didn't
like the idea of relatively cheap boxen able to do something useful - might
save somebody from buying mainframes in situation when something much cheaper
would do the job. PDPs hampered quite a few bilking^WIBM sales. They were
*very* nervous about such things.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: samba automount? install suid?
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:49:55 GMT
[Snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with ">"]
On 13 Jan 1999 17:55:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) wrote:
>> executable runs as root, but I can't find how to make smbmount suid
>> root. What command is used for that?
>
>chown root smbmount
>chmod u+s smbmount
Thanks Bob.
>> And where would I place the smbmount and smbumount commands so that
>> the NT shares would be mounted at system startup? Thanks. -steve
>
>/etc/rc.d/rc.local would be a good place. You will probably need
>to specify a user (-U option) because the mount will run as root
>and most NT systems don't have a user named "root".
Mine does, I added it specifically for the automount scenario. Thanks
again. -steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:57:23 GMT
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:59:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Windows IS popular among most computer users. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be
>the top of the commercial OS heap.
People buy MS Windows because it runs the apps that they need/want for
business and personal use.
>But as I explained in my previous post,
>thanks to Bill G., most computer users now are spoon-fed dorks who can't even
>read the instructions printed on the VCR about how to set their clocks.
>People who can't read that Compact Disk Logo that is printed on the front of
>their CD-Roms, and think that the retractable tray is like their car's coffee
>cup holder, and in all reality have no business using computers.
That's funny, it's a rather pompous and imature thing to say, but a
part of me wants to agree with you. In reality there is no reason why
someone with limited computer skills shouldn't be able to purchase a
home computer to play games, or send email..or whatever. Actually
Windows is fine for those type of people. Let's face it, popularity
doesn't mean superiority.
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Crossposted-To:
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: 13 Jan 1999 16:35:28 +0100
"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Steuber wrote in message ...
> >Netnerd, I gotta ask you one question. Why would a Microsoft
> >spokesperson use such a silly pseudonim? You represent your company
> >poorly. Or is this like a football game for you? You aren't really a
> >Microsoft employee, it is just your favorite teem?
>
>
> I am not and never have been a Microsoft employee.
>
> I don't even go to their seminars.
But you are a housepet of them? Or how should one understand that you
use "we" when referring to Microsoft, as in the following drivel:
Finally, we are looking forward with great enthusiasm to putting
our witnesses on the stand. You've seen the first example of the
kind of testimony you're going to get from Microsoft's
witnesses. This case is going to change. We're going to go from
speculation and snippets and rhetoric to facts and fair analysis
and sound conclusions. And we look forward to sharing with you
evidence that's reliable and that supports the conclusion that
Microsoft is doing what consumers want it to do. We're making it
possible for people to be better informed, more productive, and
more efficient in their workplace, in their homes and in areas of
education. We look forward to that and hope you'll be here to
watch and hear all of it.
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bill davidsen)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux...
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:06:14 GMT
In article <9tXm2.920$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Phil Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| A hack I've used is to create a symlink called "MOUNT" in the root
| directory of each partition. My "smart mounter" goes through all the
| partitions, first mounting read/only to take a peek at "MOUNT" and
| then mounts the partition as specified. Thus if the partitions get
| moved around due to SCSI ID to device name relationship shifting, it
| won't affect what data shows up where.
This is a neat idea, and easy to implement! However, isn't there a "last
mount point" field in the filesystem? Isn't that what the "-M" flag sets
in mke2fs? I can't seem to find a utility which reads that back without
mounting it, however, which somewhat defeats the point ;-) Since I use a
fair number of those little removable drives, I think this is a fine
idea, I can automate mounting.
--
bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
"Too soon we grow old, and too late we grow smart" -Arthur Godfrey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Martin)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: sbin directories (Was: Anti-Linux FUD)
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:02:15 GMT
In article <77agq0$p5q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Wood wrote:
>Paul Martin wrote:
>>
>>Eh? That's odd:
>>
>>$ ls -l /usr/bin/superformat
>>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49692 Sep 8 12:03 /usr/bin/superformat
>>$ superformat /dev/fd0
>>Formatting cylinder 59, head 1
>>
>>Notice that superformat (fdformat is now old) is not suid, and I'm not
>>running as superuser.
>
>
>Do a 'which superformat' to make sure you haven't got another suid
>copy lying around.
>
>Also which group is that user you are using in? Group 0?
nowster:~$ which superformat
/usr/bin/superformat
nowster:~$ ls -l `which superformat`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49692 Sep 8 12:03 /usr/bin/superformat
nowster:~$ ls -l /dev/fd0
brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 2, 0 Sep 14 13:18 /dev/fd0
nowster:~$ whoami
pm
nowster:~$ grep pm /etc/passwd
pm:x:1000:1000:Paul Martin,,,:/home/pm:/bin/bash
nowster:~$ groups
pm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip
nowster:~$ grep pm /etc/group
dialout:x:20:pm
cdrom:x:24:pm
floppy:x:25:pm
audio:x:29:pm
dip:x:30:pm
pm:x:1000:
nowster:~$
You don't need to be root to format a floppy. You just need to have write
access to that floppy drive block device.
--
Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
at home, swap dash to dot to email.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 14:38:28 -0800
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>>>>> "Mike" == mjb007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mike> Windows IS popular among most computer users. If it wasn't,
Mike> it wouldn't be the top of the commercial OS heap. But as I
It's not a matter of popularity, it's a matter of what is available.
People do not make a choice between Windows and any other OS. Yes, if
you already know what you are doing, you can ask/bully for something
else. That's not the same thing as having the sales clerk ask you,
"Which operating system would you like on your new computer?" And
then explaining the options available to you.
Most people do not like things they don't understand; and computer
operating systems is a subject most people do not understand.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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- --
Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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