Linux-Misc Digest #611, Volume #18 Thu, 14 Jan 99 06:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: What happened to blackdown.org (Java-Linux porting project?) (Michael Powe)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Bill Unruh)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David Kastrup)
Re: Netscape Mail Question (Rob Mahurin)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Keyboard leds and status in X (Ulf Bohman)
Re: Stable Word Processor (Victor Wagner)
Re: GUIDs on UNIX/LINUX? (Victor Wagner)
Re: ActiveX support (Victor Wagner)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Michael Powe)
help: gcc problems (HH)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD ("jav")
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.help
Subject: Re: What happened to blackdown.org (Java-Linux porting project?)
Date: 13 Jan 1999 15:47:36 -0800
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>>>>> "Stefan" == Stefan Zeiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Stefan> Nobody said that the domain was no longer registered or
Stefan> that the server didn't answer, but the old *content* is
Stefan> gone.
Looks like the "same old" content to me. They're working on JDK 1.2
&c.
mp
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#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 14 Jan 1999 01:11:34 GMT
In <77icc4$p3f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Windows IS popular among most computer users. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be
>the top of the commercial OS heap. But as I explained in my previous post,
>thanks to Bill G., most computer users now are spoon-fed dorks who can't even
>read the instructions printed on the VCR about how to set their clocks.
>People who can't read that Compact Disk Logo that is printed on the front of
>their CD-Roms, and think that the retractable tray is like their car's coffee
>cup holder, and in all reality have no business using computers.
And you probably cannot design and etch a CPU chip, or rebore the
cylinders on your car. Yet you use the CPU and you drive your car. There
are levels of knowledge needed to get things done. Most people want
copmputers to get certain jobs done. A computer is not some esoteric
god. It is a tool to use. Although I probably know as much about
computers as most here, there are often times when I want a simple step
by step set of instructions to use whatever program. I do not have time
to play around.
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 14 Jan 1999 11:30:18 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Mading) writes:
> Netnerd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : David Steuber wrote in message ...
> : >d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox) writes:
> : >
> : >-> This is such a standard crackpot rant. "Everyone I talk to agrees
> : >-> with me, these polls must be full of it." I think it was invented by
> : >-> Rush Limbaugh. Its a convenient way to get people to ignore facts.
> : >
> : >The only fact we have is that someone posted that a consumer poll said
> : >that 81% of consumers thought that Microsoft was good for the market,
> : >or something. That poster neglected to site the specific poll in
> : >question, so we don't even know if such a poll took place.
>
> : Would you believe the publisher was the Consumer Federation of America?
>
> Good. You're halfway toward providing a reference. Now tell
> us where to find the write-up of this poll.
No. He is halfway toward slandering the Consumer Federation of
America, and lending legitimity to a something paid for by an
"unnamed" source and conducted by a wacky organisation with the name
"Consumers for a Sound Economy" which advocate a Wild West economy and
state structure. See http://www.csef.org
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: Rob Mahurin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape Mail Question
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:07:02 +0000
Reply-To: robmATmad.scientist.com
Mykool wrote:
>
> Is there any way I could use my netscape mail (and news) directories
> from win 9x with linux netscape. I tried to set the mail and news
> directory through the preferences to that on my win 9x drive, but the
> results weren't exactly what I wanted. All help is appreciated.
>
> --
> Michael Barnhill
>
> http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte294f
> ICQ 13526262
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exactly what kind of problems are you having?
I'm pretty sure that preferences.js would use a different format under
windows, but that's in ~/.netscape, not configureable. Do you have rwx
permissions on your vfat drive? are you having problems saving your
mail, or what?
Rob
--
sushi, n.:
When that-which-may-still-be-alive is put on top of rice and
strapped on with electrical tape.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 14 Jan 1999 10:09:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Basicaly the PC market grew for several reasons:
>
> IBM designed a cheap system
>
> Clones copied the IBM PC and gave people a less expensive
> choice than IBM
>
> MS chose to sell lots of their OS at cheap prices instead of getting
> a high markup on each copy (at this time getting a commercial
True.
> license for unix cost almost US$50K per system)
But you are comparing apples and oranges too. UNIX wasn't even
for sale, as such. It wasn't until 1984 that AT&T was allowed
to sell it. Hence there were no packaged deals, and the $50K
(it was actually higher than that usually) was the cost of a custom
installation.
Note that by 1985 there wasn't that much difference in price, and
by 1987 a *very* cheap UNIX box was easy to obtain. And that
less expensive unix box would run circles around the current Microsoft
OS's even though they used faster cpu's. The more expensive unix
systems, with faster hardware, weren't even in the same city with
MS.
But, whatever we can say good or bad about the operating systems
or the hardware, there are a few things given:
1) Microsoft's ability to market a product is in a class by itself.
2) Intel is a close second.
3) IBM blew it.
> The unix folks thought the "toys" were harmless and wouldn't amount
> to much. They basically lacked the vision that the PC founders had.
A better perspective was that unix folks had far more
perspective, and rather than play with toy operating systems
they designed for the future with full realization that hardware
technology would advance. That future is here today. The PC is
what had to be redesigned, not unix as such. MicroSoft OS's
however are still trying to maintain compatibility with a system
designed 20 years ago with virtually no forsight at all.
And that is why we are all buying the hardware and running a
unix OS.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Keyboard leds and status in X
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:27:24 +0100
Rob Mahurin wrote:
> AWing10651 wrote:
> >
> > I am a newbie, but you might be able to change these settings in the system
> > BIOS.
> >
> > good luck!
> >
> > -Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> No such luck; they get turned off again as the kernel boots. I have an
> slightly uglier problem: I can't even get xset to work:
>
> 19:47 $ for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
> 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32; do xset led $i; done
> 19:47 $ for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
> 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32; do xset -led $i; done
>
> do nothing, whether the leds are initially on or off. any suggestions?
>
> Rob
>
> --
> sushi, n.:
> When that-which-may-still-be-alive is put on top of rice and
> strapped on with electrical tape.
Yeah, same thing for me, "xset (-)led #" doesn't seem to work for me either...
If I turn off NumLock in the BIOS and by chance get it to toggle into the right
mode in X it still isn't the optimal solution since I want NumLock=on initially
in my other "OS's" as well so I need to set it as on in the BIOS.
/Ulf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: Stable Word Processor
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:11:41 +0300
Rod Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: [Posted and mailed]
: Of Applix and WP 8, the latter is probably a bit leaner than the former in
: terms of memory, but I've not tried either on a 32MB machine for quite a
On 20Mb 486 Applix is unbearable, and WP 8 works Ok.
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I have tin news and pine mail...
Victor Wagner @ home = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: GUIDs on UNIX/LINUX?
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:22:02 +0300
In comp.os.linux.misc Mike Strong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Microsoft provided a utility called UUIDGEN that can generate a globally
: unique identifier (GUID). I would like something like that that works on
: UNIX, and, if possible, cross platform. For my purposes, it does not need
: to replicate the algorithm used to generate the GUIDs put out by Microsoft's
: utility. I would simply like something on UNIX that could generate IDs that
: are guaranteed to be unique.
Thing you are describing, exist for decades. It presents in each USENET
article and mail message. It is called Message-ID.
Study appropriate RFC (822, I think) and some implementation, for
example sendmail's.
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I have tin news and pine mail...
Victor Wagner @ home = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
Subject: Re: ActiveX support
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:19:26 +0300
Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hello,
: I hope this is not too off-topic,...
: Will any Linux browser ever be supporting ActiveX ?
No. I suggest to turn off Java and Javascript too.
: What is the good of using ActiveX?
Ability to reformat hard disks of Windows clients, stole their dial-out
passwords and credit card numbers. Active X is arbitrary binary code
which gets loaded over web and executed in the browser. It has 100% same
rights on your machine as you have, and only thing which is checked is
that it was digitally signed by person who have access to appropriate
secret key (nothing said about is that person good or evil or even is he
legal owner of that key).
Java and Javascript are a bit better, becouse use more elaborate
security model, which prevents applet from doing certain harmful
actions, like stealing your Netscape history (which could reveal your
credit card number, if you've entered it in GET form, even if it was
SSL) or popping up an advertising window, which I consider harmful
enough to avoid returning to this site (at least with Javascript on).
: TIA,
: N.
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I have tin news and pine mail...
Victor Wagner @ home = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 15:06:21 -0800
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>>>>> "John" == John Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> DOS was written by somebody else and Gates paid a measly $75k
>> for it.
Gates bought DOS from a moron who was too snooty to do business with
IBM. After it became clear what a blunder he'd made, said moron
started crying the blues.
John> I'm curious..... what was the "idea" with developing DOS
John> anyway??
The idea was that IBM had a system design that they wanted to use to
get into the personal computing market in a hurry, so they chose to
license an operating system from a small applications development
company in Redmond, Washington. That company, named Microsoft, told
IBM that they could have a Disk Operating System ready in time for the
IBM PC rollout.
John> I mean...... why couldn't have an operating system like
John> Linux be developed a LONG time ago and used on the early
John> PC's and DOS could have never existed??
Yes and no. Unix was around for years before DOS but Unix was not
designed to run on the PC architecture. The original PCs had 8-bit
busses and ran at a whopping 4.7 Mhz. A great deal of subsequent
development of PCs has been hampered by the need/desire for backward
compatibility. That's why you still have ISA slots in your computer.
John> I mean DOS is an OS that has been stripped of networking,
John> multi-tasking, etc... right??
No, there were no such options for the first PCs -- the Intel x86
design allowed for a maximum of 1Mb of memory but the machines only
had 64k of workspace. No hard drives then, nor color monitors.
The first home computer I used was a TI99/a, which hooked up to a
television for a monitor and used a portable cassette tape player as a
"drive" for recording data. I learned to program Basic on it. Then,
for several years I used a Commodore 64 with a -- color monitor!!!!
And a floppy drive!!! The whole "computer" was the keyboard. Ah,
those were the days. ;-)
mp
"Whom the gods would make mad, they first make Windows support techs."
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 14 Jan 1999 01:16:26 -0800
>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> And I thought IBM created the hardware and made the specs
Richard> available so other companies could clone the boxes and
Richard> create a popular machine?
Richard> Windows rode on the coattails of the IBM-compatible PC,
Richard> not the other way around...
I don't think so. IBM was dead in the water without DOS. They had no
stake in the PC market when they licensed the first version of DOS from
Microsoft. That was the reason they went with Gates &c. They were in
a hurry and MS could meet the deadline.
mp
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#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: HH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help: gcc problems
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:11:50 +0100
Hello
I am working on a little c-Program and everytime, after many
test-compilings,
suddenly compiling is not possible without strange errors (see below).
Only after rebooting Linux (imagin it: rebooting Linux!!!) it works fine
again.
$ > gcc -o h hpg.c
/tmp/cca044011.o: In function `main':
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x1400): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x1477): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x14aa): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x14cb): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x14de): undefined reference to `control2'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x152d): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x1550): undefined reference to `control2'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x15aa): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x15cb): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x15ec): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x1616): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x169d): undefined reference to `control'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x16e0): undefined reference to `control2'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x16f3): undefined reference to `control2'
/tmp/cca044011.o(.text+0x174e): undefined reference to `control2'
these tmp-files exists only during compiling.
I am using gcc version 2.7.2.1 unter SuSE Linux 5.3.
If you can help, please mail me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thanks
Herbert
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From: "jav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:06:34 -0500
no,no,no... you're all wrong,
Windows is a knife, cutting away at everything that everyone has done,
pasting it together in some huge overburdened Frankenstein monster fashion,
while Linux is a SPORK, allowing you to eat soup or steak without having to
get off your ass and go back into the kitchen.
jav
David Kastrup wrote in message ...
>Toon Moene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> russell clarke wrote:
>> >
>> > as earlyer said comparing Linux vs windows is like comparing a fork and
>> > a spoon.
>>
>> Oh, sure. Unfortunately, the only thing I'm offered for food is soup,
>> and Windows is a fork, while Linux is a spoon.
>
>Windows uses "spawn". Linux has "fork".
>
>
>--
>David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
>Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
>Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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