Linux-Misc Digest #611, Volume #24 Fri, 26 May 00 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany
(Peter Karlsson)
Re: Manipulating pointcolors in Gnuplot? (Eduardo Cuansing)
Counting printed pages (Rafael)
Re: Freewwweb slow ?
Re: reading *.doc files in Linux? (Leonard Evens)
Re: RedHat 6.2 install questions (Leonard Evens)
which is the best linux distro - please vote (joe 90)
Re: Using Linux/IPChains instead of commercial firewall ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!! (Tom MacIntyre)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!! (Tom MacIntyre)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Karlsson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: CAUTION: I am under attack from an incompetent hacker probably in germany
Date: 26 May 2000 22:08:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nick Bernstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> Tiger is very good, I defiantly agree with that, but you might want to install
>something like tripwire (there's abetter program, but I forget the name) tcpwrappers,
>and as Peter said, remove all unnecessary services. Also, make sure you are patched
>up to the current releases of whatever OS/apps you are running.
> 'Luck
> Nick
HTML! Ouch, ouch, that hurt! And yes, the tiger software is bit outdated (AFAIK it
predates tripwire) but I wasn't actually refering to it; it's just my personal
preference when it comes to comedy; Monty Python. The line, Tiger?... WHERE, WHERE? is
from MP's flying circus, involving some Inspector called Tiger, it's hilarious. Sorry
for being OT. Still, Mr Silvermans server(s) needs to be taken care of, even if the
person who broke in is incomptetent you can never be sure you're completely clean,
i.e. the cracker may have left compromised programs behind that you don't know about.
Best regards
Peter K
Warning, ugly html below (stop posting html please...)!
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> Tiger is very good, I defiantly agree with that, but you might want to
> install something like tripwire (there's abetter program, but I forget
> the name) tcpwrappers, and as Peter said, remove all unnecessary services.
> Also, make sure you are patched up to the current releases of whatever
> OS/apps you are running.
> <br>'Luck
> <br>Nick
> <p>Peter Karlsson wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>In article <newscache$k604vf$7u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <br> "Ez-Aton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> <br>>
> <br>> Jeff Silverman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <br>> <a
>href="news:8gg4e4$rsa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gg4e4$rsa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>...
> <br>>> Hi.
> <br>>>
> <br>>> Somebody tried to send my /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files from
> my server
> <br>> to their account in
> <br>>> germany. I am not sure how they did that part, but they did.
> However, my
> <br>> hacker is incompetent and
> <br>>> he botched his own e-mail address. Imagine my surprise and
> astonishment
> <br>> when I got my own files in
> <br>>> the mail! I looked in the maillog and I can see where the
> messages went
> <br>> out. I checked wtmp -
> <br>>> found nothing there, and nothing noteworthy in /var/log/*, either.
> The
> <br>> Email address the guy used
> <br>>> is [EMAIL PROTECTED] if that means anything to anybody. I think
> <br>>> he's in germany because the remote mail daemon said:
> <br>>>
> <br>>> >>> RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <br>>> <<< 550 <kx2246>... User unknown or not available -
> Empfaenger unbekannt
> <br>> oder
> <br>>> nicht erreichbar
> <br>>> 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown
> <br>>>
> <br>>> [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]
> <br>>>
> <br>>> Reporting-MTA: dns; angel.commercialventvac.com
> <br>>> Arrival-Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:24:07 -0700
> <br>>>
> <br>>> Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <br>>> Action: failed
> <br>>> Status: 5.1.1
> <br>>> Remote-MTA: DNS; mx0.gmx.net
> <br>>> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <kx2246>... User unknown or not available
> -
> <br>>> Empfaenger unbekannt oder nicht erreichbar
> <br>>>
> <br>>>
> <br>>>
> <br>>> Anyway, I am battening down my hatches, again. Fortunately,
> my users have
> <br>> picked strong passwords,
> <br>>> such as 2sday and blue=danube, so using crack or satan probably
> won't buy
> <p>Ok, so now noone can use those... :)
> <p>> this person anything, and
> <br>>> I am going to personally change those passwords, just in case.
> Blech!
> <br>>>
> <br>>> I thought you might want a "heads up" warning.
> <p>If your box/es has been compromised in any way you should wipe them
> clean, reformat (twice some people say and from a technical point it may
> be necessary haven't checked though) and reinstall from backups you know
> for certain aren't tampered with. Of course I assume you've taken all compromised
> boxes offline.
> <p>Tiger? WHERE, WHERE?
> <p>Best regards
> <p>Peter K</blockquote>
>
> <p><br>--
> <br><b><tt><font size=-1>Nicholas Bernstein, Systems & Network Engineer,
> BELENOS Inc.</font></tt></b>
> <br><b><tt><font size=-1>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</font></tt></b>
> <br><b><tt><font size=-1>www.belenosinc.com</font></tt></b>
> <p><b><tt><font size=-1>"21st Century Architects" - Belenos designs and
> builds next generation</font></tt></b>
> <br><b><tt><font size=-1>voice and data networks for emerging service
>providers.</font></tt></b>
> <br>
> <br> </html>
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From: Eduardo Cuansing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.graphics.apps.gnuplot
Subject: Re: Manipulating pointcolors in Gnuplot?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:22:20 -0500
On 26 May 2000, Bala wrote:
> Don't forget to
> xrdb ~/.Xdefaults
> after modifying it.
Hi Bala,
Thanks for the tip. What appears to be the problem is although the colors
that I defined are being used when I just plot in gnuplot (after
xrdb-ing), when I set terminal to postscript, the default colors are again
being used. Do you know if there's an option that I need to call? Here's
how I set terminal:
set terminal postscript color
set output "test.ps"
load "testfile.gnu"
And when I open test.ps in gv, the default colors are used. But if I just
simply load "testfile.gnu" in gnuplot, I get the colors I wanted.
Thanks,
Ed
--
http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~cuansing
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From: Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Counting printed pages
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:25:39 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Counting printed pages.
How can I caunt printed pages by the users and set restrictions etc.
Rafael
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Freewwweb slow ?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:30:08 GMT
Edward Jong wrote:
>
> I visit their homepage immediately after my connection, and I found the
> connection speed pretty fast.
> I found if I did not visit their homepage, all internet functions come
to a
> crawl. That is my experience here in
> Vancouver, BC Canada.
>
> Sandhitsu R Das wrote:
>
> > I'm getting slow connections with freewwweb. Is there any fine tuning
> > necessary in the startup scripts or something to get a better
connection ?
> > I've made their page my homepage and visit it right after ppp is
> > established. What's the kind of data transfer rate with netscape people
> > are getting ?
>
I haven't set up my web page to theirs yet and I average 49333/50667 line
speed at 5.9k/sec. This is in Beaverton, OR. just outside of Portland.
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: reading *.doc files in Linux?
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:10:52 -0500
Peter Bismuti wrote:
>
> Is there any free software that allows you to read *.doc files in Linux?
>
> Thanks
Along with the other possibilities consider mswordview.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.2 install questions
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:26:25 -0500
Chris Stump wrote:
>
> I have a couple of questions, and I'll make 'em straight to the point:
>
> 1. I currently have Red Hat 6.2 set up on my system using the
> partitionless install feature (on Win98). This actually works quite
> well, but I can't figure out how to mount/access windows files. I can'
> t use "mount -t vfat /dev/hda(or hda1) /mnt/vfat" because linux tells me
> the filesystem is already mounted or that there is a "bad super block,
> etc., etc." Is it impossible to access windows files through this
> partitionless install? If not, how do I access them?
I don't know since I've never tried the new partitionless install.
>
> 2. If I can't access the windows files with the partitionless install
> then I would like to repartition my HDD and install Red Hat 6.2 in its
> own partition. However, I have a 19 GB HDD and I don't want to install
> Lilo (bad luck with lilo...its a long story--I would like to use a boot
> disk). If I do a custom install (which will give me the option not to
> install lilo) will I not run into the "1024 cylinder" problem? I
> installed Red Hat 6.1 before on a re-partitioned HDD and I ran into the
> "1024" problem. However, I was doing a workstation install which
> automatically uses lilo to configure a dual-boot system. Since custom
> gives me the option to/will not install lilo, will the installation let
> me put linux on the last 4GB of my 19 GB HDD, leaving the remaining 15
> GB for Windows? Obviously the linux boot sector will not be below the
> 1024 cylinder, but I'm assuming that this won't matter since I will be
> booting off of a floppy and therefore I am not asking installation to
> place lilo...am I correct?
First, if you boot from a floppy, the 1024 cylinder limit problem
does not arise. The kernel will be on the floppy, and it is
not bound by that limitation since it talks to the disk directly.
Second, although it may be irrelevant to your problems, the RH6.1
installer had some problems which were corrected in Errata. These
could in some circumstances result in no boot floppy being created
during installation or upgrading. The 6.2 installer does not
appear to have any problems, but there are some upgrades to the
installer, and if you encounter any problems, you should get these
from RedHat's website under 6.2 Errata.
Third, I would suggest that after installation and being able to
boot Linux from a floppy you consider getting the very latest
version of lilo. This does allows you to boot from the
hard disk even if your boot files are above cylinder 1024
provided your BIOS is capable of using the extended BIOS call.
All recent BIOSs should do that.
>
> 3. What is the word with partition magic 5.0? Is it significantly safer
> than FIPS? I used fips before and it worked great, but I'm still a
> little leary. Also, what is the deal with the boot agent that comes
> with partition magic? Is this a hassle-free boot agent that is friendly
> to the windows and its MBR? Does is overwrite the existing MBR? I
> imagine it would...
>
I've used both fips and Partition Magic. fips should be fine if
it works, but it depends on defrag being able to move all files
to the front end of the partition. Some vendors put unmovable
files at the end of the partition and so it won't work.
I would recommend not installing Partition Magic in your Windows
partition. Instead use the installation Wizard to make an
emergency floppy, and use that to resize the Windows partition.
Partition Magic (and fips) have to modify the MBR because that
is where the partition information is. But it should not
modify anything else in it.
If you finally decide to install lilo, you should not have a
problem installing it in the MBR for a Windows+Linux installation.
(NT is another matter.) But if you are nervous about doing that,
then install it in a primary (or extended) Linux partition and
make that the active partition on the disk.
> 4. Does anyone use bootlin? It sounds like an interesting alternative
> to lilo, but I haven't heard to much about it. I basically would like
> to use a boot agent, but not one that overwrites/complicates the MBR (I
> had major problems with this before, and can't afford them again:)
>
> Thanks in advance to all those who reply...your help is very much
> appreciated.
I used it a long time ago with Slackware, but have no recent
experience.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: joe 90 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: which is the best linux distro - please vote
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:44:42 GMT
[1] Have you used more than one distribution of linux?
[ ] Yes (please go to question 2 - 'jedi' )
[ ] No (please go to question 5)
[2] Which distributions of linux have you used - please list;
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[3] Which distro do you think is the best?
[4] Why did you think it was the best?
[5] What would be the 5 things you would change about linux if you owned
a big time linux distribution company?
Please list in order of most importance, 1=most important, 5=least
important
1-
2-
3-
4-
5-
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Reply-To: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Using Linux/IPChains instead of commercial firewall
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:06:38 -0700
"Jim Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8glfm2$grl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> We are considering using Linux/IPChains for servers that need to be
accessed
> from the Internet. We need to have something that will do some kind of
> stateful inspection and also be an application proxy. Is there any reason
> that we shouldn't rely on Linux (we have someone who can configure this
> pretty well)?
The effectiveness of a firewall is all in the configuration. If you have
someone who can do this properly, i.e., come up with exactly the right set
of rules for your situation, then there's no reason not to use Linux, or
anything else that will stay up and running.
> Also, why, if Linux is that good, are products like Checkpoint Firewall-1
> selling so well, and available for Linux as well?
I don't know anything about that particular product. However, most
commercial firewalls simply offer a collection of preconfigured,
one-size-fits-all "rule sets" that work well enough for most people. If you
don't have someone who can do firewall configuration, this saves a lot of
money and hassle. It's basically a convenience thing.
Why are these offered for Linux? Because it works. It's a stable,
reliable, popular platform.
Matt O.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom MacIntyre)
Crossposted-To:
alt.certification.cisco,alt.certification.mcse,alt.certification.network-plus,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!!
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:58:23 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 20:28:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernie) wrote:
>On Fri, 26 May 2000 18:59:11 GMT, "Harold S. Frydman"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Don't let people fool you. THIS is NOT brain surgery. There are lots of
>>people out there that will tell you all that counts is Real-World
>>experience...and they wouldn't be wrong...but they wouldn't be 100% right
>>either.
>
>True. Lets talk on the same terms though. Forget the certification
>aspect for a moment, because it is really the knowledge we are talking
>about here, right. IOW, a cert without experince, distills down into
>knowledge at *best*. How much knowledge can be learned in a month?
>Well, studies show that a 30-35% retention rate of classroom learning
>is about average. So how much is learned in 30-35% of a 30 day
>bootcamp? I think anybody that has been through intense training
>knows that their mind can only handle so much at a time before going
>into overload.
>
>Sure experience without any knowledge is not very good either.
Just a quibble, and really reaching, but I don't think it's very easy
for this to happen...experience without knowledge. I'd hope it would
be an oddity.
Tom
But
>experience is far more important than knowledge without experience.
>For the sake of argument, even if experience meant absolutely nothing,
>companies still want experience far more than certs. Just look
>through your local paper, and see how many companies list certs as
>primary requirements for the good jobs. Most say minimum required 2
>yrs exp. This wasn't always the case, but now that most companies
>have had the intense *pleasure* of accidently hiring a "paper"
>individual they now safeguard against it happening again by requiring
>experience. So no matter what, you have to overcome the experience
>hurdle for the good jobs.
>
>>Doctors spend years learning the basics before they are allowed to practice
>>medicine. Lawyers must have years of education before they're allowed to
>>practice law. Why should the IT profession be any different?
>
>There is a big difference between years of study and one month of
>study. If you think that these are directly analogous then I'd like
>to see you go see a doctor who you knew only attended one month of
>med-school bootcamp. Furthermore, doctors go through several years of
>internship where they are overseen while they start to practice
>medicine.
>
>>Nobody is saying that certification is the end...in fact, think about it as
>>premed or prelaw...the more you know the better you'll do in a real word
>>environment later. The CMA course is a great BEGINNING....what you do with
>>it afterward is everyone's personal choice. As an experienced admin for many
>>years I'd have to say I'd rather someone with no experience AND
>>certification, rather than no experience and no education.
>
>Sure if you compare "no experience and no education" to "no experience
>and certification" certification comes out smelling like a rose.
>However, even about 6 months experience at helpdesk trumps *both* of
>those.
>
>Also, the last thing you want to happen when talking to an potential
>employer is to trigger the memory of the last paper certified
>individual they made the mistake of hiring. What do you think will be
>the first thing they will think of when someone walks in their office
>with 6 certs and no experience? In fact if it were me, the more paper
>they had the more the red flags, sirens, flashing lights would start
>going off in my head.
>
>Based on personal experience, my certs have actually meant much more
>as I have gained more experience working with the products I am
>certified with. No matter how many certs a person has, if they don't
>have any experience, they aren't going to be given a job that has a
>high level of responsibility such as a DBA, a network engineer, a UNIX
>admin, etc. They will have to get experience like everyone else has
>in the past. So the bottom line is the question of whether the cost
>of a 30 day bootcamp is worth the helpdesk job it will land in the
>end. Since you could pretty much get that same job without any certs,
>I would say no, its not worth the investment.
>
>However, don't just take my word for it. Before you waste your money,
>give a headhunter a call and ask that person their *honest* opinion on
>how to get ahead in the IT industry. After all they deal with
>employers and what employers are looking for in potential candidates
>every day. If anyone can tell you whether a 30 day bootcamp is worth
>the money spent, they can.
>
>>Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>> Since they are providing people to do the "students" cooking, laundry,
>>> and their cleaning, I wonder if they also provide professional test
>>> takers to take their tests for them as well.
>>>
>>> Does this "real-world" lab environment also have simulated "dumb
>>> end-users", simulated unreasonable bosses, and simulated crackers to
>>> break into the servers or use make use of the email server as a relay
>>> point for spam? I'm just about curious how "real world" it is.
>>>
>>> One other question: Who gets to fix the laptops when the "students"
>>> inadvertently break them when fiddling around with fdisk? Is a *real*
>>> desktop support person on hand to wipe their butts in that way too?
>>>
>>> > "Harold S. Frydman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:wTuX4.129$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> > http://certcoach.homestead.com
>>> >
>>> > MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA, LPI (Linux Professional Institute), A+, Network+
>>> > 15 College Credits from Regents University, a fully accredited program
>>offered by the State University of New York.
>>> >
>>> > Hello...
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to introduce a new concept in Certification Boot Camps.
>>CMAdmin, Inc. is proud to announce the Certified Master Administrator
>>program. The CMA program has been designed for those who wish to get all, or
>>most, of the IT Certifications quickly and with the most hands on
>>experience.
>>> >
>>> > This program is not for everyone. But if you have the time to devote,
>>we guarantee not only that you will pass all the exams, but that you will
>>get the real-world experience that 30 HARDCORE days will provide.
>>> >
>>> > How can we accomplish this? By providing the highest level of service
>>the industry has to offer. Our instructors are top of the line, our classes
>>are limited to 10 students with 3 Certified Instructors...that's 3 students
>>per Instructor...noone even comes close. State-of-the-art Labs and
>>classrooms, including Cisco Routers.
>>> >
>>> > All your needs are taken care of. From first class accomodations (your
>>own villa with full kitchen, cable TV, quiet, Jacuzzi, Laptop for extra
>>study. Full meals (customized meal plans available), transportation, laundry
>>and maid service. In other words we leave nothing to chance. The only thing
>>you have to worry about is learning, training, studying and passing the
>>tests.
>>> >
>>> > For more info please email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > or call (718) 544-2234.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you and good luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Bernie
>>
>
>
>--Bernie
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:00:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David T. Blake) writes:
' > Maybe the Harmony project will settle this last concern. That
' > all depends if Harmony is LGPL or GPL.
'
' LGPL. Anyone may link without fear. But the motivation for the
' project may be somewhat less with "open source" advocates
' rolling over and playing dead on the issue.
'
' http://www.yggdrasil.com/~harmony/
Last updated over a year ago. I see what you mean.
Ok, I think you may have won me over. Also, I must confess that I do
not like MOC. It strikes me as being evil macro hackery. For harmony
to be a compatible library, it must do MOC, or am I wrong?
This brings us full circle. The subject asks for ideas for a
university funded project for linux ( is the original poster still
watching this thread? ). I _like_ KDE. Qt is easy to use. Qt is
getting damn popular damn fast. Also, KDE is a huge project.
I should probably really look at GTK+/GTK--, but I've got this idea in
my mind that a GUI toolkit should be based on C++ from the outset
rather than using C++ wrappers, however good they may be, around a C
toolkit. I could be wrong in this opinion. Maybe a C toolkit is the
best way to go. But we already have Xlib... Yes, it is not a
'toolkit'. But it is what is ultimately being wrapped.
Therefor, my proposal for a university funded project for Linux is an
LGPL'd C++ application framework/toolkit for developing portable X
Windows applications. If the GUI components are kept seperate from
other support pieces, then the toolkit could perhaps also be used for
console applications. This toolkit should be comprehensive enough
that yet another windowmanager can be written and yet another desktop
environment can be written.
This application framework/toolkit should stick with the ANSI C++
coding standards and not introduce any macro hackery of any kind.
If possible, the GUI interfaces should be abstract enough so that the
framework/toolkit can be ported to other operating systems.
Applications that use the toolkit exclusively may then be ported to
those other environments with a simple recompile.
All the lessons learned from previous frameworks should be applied to
the new toolkit. The toolkit should take maximum advantage of the
ANSI C++ facilities where it makes sense to do so. This should have
the side effect of keeping the momentum on GCC going so that it can
reach full ANSI compliance.
I wonder how many people it would take to produce such a library
within one year?
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom MacIntyre)
Crossposted-To:
alt.certification.cisco,alt.certification.mcse,alt.certification.network-plus,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 6 certifications in 30 Days and 15+ College Credits!!!
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:01:58 GMT
On Fri, 26 May 2000 18:59:11 GMT, "Harold S. Frydman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As an experienced admin for many
>years I'd have to say I'd rather someone with no experience AND
>certification, rather than no experience and no education.
>
Yeah...that's a tough call...
Tom
>
>
>Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Since they are providing people to do the "students" cooking, laundry,
>> and their cleaning, I wonder if they also provide professional test
>> takers to take their tests for them as well.
>>
>> Does this "real-world" lab environment also have simulated "dumb
>> end-users", simulated unreasonable bosses, and simulated crackers to
>> break into the servers or use make use of the email server as a relay
>> point for spam? I'm just about curious how "real world" it is.
>>
>> One other question: Who gets to fix the laptops when the "students"
>> inadvertently break them when fiddling around with fdisk? Is a *real*
>> desktop support person on hand to wipe their butts in that way too?
>>
>> > "Harold S. Frydman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:wTuX4.129$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > http://certcoach.homestead.com
>> >
>> > MCSE, MCP+I, CCNA, LPI (Linux Professional Institute), A+, Network+
>> > 15 College Credits from Regents University, a fully accredited program
>offered by the State University of New York.
>> >
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>> >
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>>
>>
>> --Bernie
>
>
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