Linux-Misc Digest #622, Volume #18 Fri, 15 Jan 99 05:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
(MalkContent)
Re: How good is X support for Graphics Blaster Exxtreme? (Andy Wendel)
Re: UID Question (Glen Turner)
Re: HELP with RH installation PLEASE <:( (-)
eth0: Tx FIFO error! Status 02ea. (Rod Brick)
Netscape, date and current URL on printed page (Michael Gens)
Re: compiler for linux (Mike Dowling)
Re: Can one set up RAID with IDE drives? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: rpm question [very basic] (-)
Re: Looking for developers editor (vi with color context) (fred smith)
Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ... ("Peter L.
Berghold")
Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case (David Kastrup)
libc5/libc6, WindowMaker, and segfaults (David Guertin)
Re: CONCLUSIVE PROOF: Jesus *is* King of the Jews ! ! !' (CAROL1RICK)
Re: Anti-aliased fonts (Eric Meijer)
Re: Switching to Windows 95 (Phil Edwards)
Re: Why isn't this simple script working? (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Switching to Windows 95 (Andy Settle)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MalkContent)
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:34:24 GMT
So Far, here, as with so many other posts on relative M$ Vs. Linux,
I've seen all sorts of bitching, moaning, and crying
(as well as the well thought out defense of...)
about "idiot friendly"
I MUST BE THAT IDIOT
Since the demise of commercially available Dos - based software,
I have been stuck with adjusting to Windoze.
I don`t have a really snazzy job, I work in a warehouse.
I however am a consumer. I buy things I can use.
Having just bought RedHat 5.2, I thought I was going to shit a horse!
This stuff is user tolerant. That's it.
(unless of course you're one of the tech-elite...cos this discussion keeps
degrading into elitist convo.)
aIts a pain in the backside to mount then unmount a CDROM.
even though it looks like :
mount dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom/blahblahblah
Most users probably agree that that's a whole bunch of extra effort.
If Linux is so great as described, why's it so painful for the john doe to use?
Windoze is a necessary evil - access for the uninformed, or unwilling
Masochists (like myself) grab Linux out of a box, and find there's a whole
boatload of tweaking we need to do to use it. john doe won't.
The real evil of M$ is their monopolistic practices.
The real good of linux is that its like philosophy - free to all for their use.
Then again, someone out there is gonna flame the hell outta this,
and Gates' lawyers probably want me dead now too! =)
MalkContent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Wendel)
Subject: Re: How good is X support for Graphics Blaster Exxtreme?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:28:52 GMT
On 6 Jan 1999 00:31:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean
Gilley,0B206,,2336) wrote:
>I recently picked up a Graphics Blaster Exxtreme to put on my son's
>computer. It doesn't work there, but that's not the issue.
>
>I'm running a Diamond Stealth II, which is supported, but the server is
>still very slow. I've checked, and yes the Exxtreme is supported, but
>I can't seem to figure out how well. Is it still alpha/beta, or is it
>considered truly supported? I don't need massive amounts of speed, but
>I'd like opaque window moves and scrolling within windows to have no
>noticable delays. Is it okay in that respect? Anything else I should
>know?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sean.
>
I have the 4 meg version of the GBE under RH5.2 and x 3.3.3 and am
completely satisfied with the speed... in a lot of ways, it is faster
than under windows... if that is the os or not is beyond me, but NS
screens load much more quickly under Linux with it than they do under
Windows
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:07:17 +1030
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: UID Question
David Z. Maze wrote:
> I believe Linux supports uids up to 65535. Most Unices support uids
> up to either that number or to 32767, so it surprises me that you
> "need" a uid that large. What are you really trying to do?
The UID range is a problem and is on the TODO list for 2.3.
Most large academic sites want a large UID range. If you
have an annual first-year enrolement of 20,000 students
most of whom are doing three or four year courses it doesn't
take too long before you run out of UIDs.
Of course, you probably won't get all the students onto
one Linux box, but a lot of UNIX networking assumes that
there is one person per UID and that the UID of a person
never changes.
So the small UID range is preventing central registration
and authorisation of users on one big RADIUS/NIS/Kerberos
server, leading to the multiple password problem. As each
faculty needs to maintain their own user DB, cross-faculty
NFS mounts become a problem. As UIDs are part of the
permissions of a file, you can't have a central backup
solution attached to a big tape cartridge silo. Etc, etc...
--
Glen Turner Network Specialist
Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP with RH installation PLEASE <:(
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:09:12 GMT
What type of machine is it? Have you ever run an OS on it before? Have you
tried RH 5.2?
Giorgio Panizzi wrote:
> i dont know why but i cannot install neither RH 5.0 or RH 5.1
> the problem?
>
> when i the installation program is about to install the various packages
> on my hard drive i
> receive all sort of error messages
> one of these is this:
>
> Oops: 0000
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010 : [<0011c147>]
> EFLAGS: 00010202
> eax: 00000519 ebx: 2d78756e ecx: 00001000 edx: 00001ebd
> esi: 03d7b8dc edi: 01fe1400 ebp: 00000400 esp: 00ee1e94
> ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 002b gs: 002b ss: 0018
> Process runinstall2 ( pid: 6, process nr: 6, stackpage = 00ee1000)
> Stack: 00000000 bfffeaa8 01fe1400 00000400 0000000
> 00000100
> 00158509 03d7b8dc
> 00025000 01fe1000 00000400 00000000 03d7b910
> 03ec5bf4
> 03d7b8dc 00000000
> 00000000 001f1148 00001000 00000000 00000094
> 00025000
> 00000000 01fe8e98
> Call Trace: [<00158509>] [<0018800e>] [<0011c7aa>] [<0012276d>]
> [<0011784b>] [<0010a7f5>]
>
> Code: 39 73 08 75 f0 8b 7c 24 20 39 7b 0c 75 e7 ff 43
> 14 0f ba 6b
>
> Install exited abnormally -- recieved signal 11
> sending termination signals...done
> sending kill signals...done
> unmounting filesystems... /tmp/rhimage
> /proc
> /mnt/ unmount failed
>
> you may safely reboot your system
>
> Any help would be appreciated
> Thanx very much.
--
-Chuck
richard.c.wolber@___NO___SP_A_M_<///???.boeing.com
You know what to do to reply...
These are my thoughts, they do not represent the
Boeing Company.
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From: Rod Brick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: eth0: Tx FIFO error! Status 02ea.
Date: 15 Jan 1999 04:28:47 GMT
Can someone explain these messages to me:
eth0: Tx FIFO error! Status 02ea.
eth0: Tx FIFO error! Status 02e2.
The vast majority of messages are the 02ea variety. The server machine
prints this while a client is downloading a file via ftp. The client
also shows packet errors. Both machines are running 2.0.36. The server
machine has an AMD PCnet card using the lance v1.14 2/3/98 driver
running on non-standard port 0x240. The client machine has a DC21041
Tulip driver.
These errors only occur while 'getting' a file from the server, and the
transfer rate shows between 60 and 90 Kbytes/sec. When I 'put' a file
to the server I receive no error messages or packet errors, and the
transfer rate is much faster at 5e+02Kbytes/sec.
Can someone help me out here? Thanks.
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From: Michael Gens <"Michael.Gens"@TU- Berlin.DE>
Subject: Netscape, date and current URL on printed page
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:19:57 -0700
Hi there!
Formerly I used Netscape on MS OS. Than I' ve got current date, URL and
page number on printed pages
(upper or/and lower areas on pages).
I 've been changing to Linux and these informations doesn't appear
anymore!
Use Communicator 4.5 and Linux 2.0.35 , S.u.S.E. - Distribution.
Can I adjust this (formerly) behavior? ... how?
Thanks in advance !
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Dowling)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: compiler for linux
Date: 12 Jan 1999 16:23:11 GMT
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:42:38 -0500, Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have just been informed that I have to have Borland Turbo C
>Assembler program for my Engineering 2 class. I have my laptop setup
>with Linux for compiling stuff. The professor says that if we do the
>programs on our own computers that they have to work on the schools
>computers b/c thats part of the grade. So I need to know if I make a
>program using C in linux and compile with gcc if it would work once I
>put it on a win95 machine? I know that I woul dhave to convert the
>executable from either a.out or elf format to .exe which Win95 uses,
>which I would also need to knwo how to do that.
Funny! I have always demanded that students programs must run on our UNIX
workstations using strict ANSI compliability, and, on occasions, POSIX. The
exercise was always primarily that students should become aware of the ANSI
standard for C. Time and time again, they are tempted into using some
"extension" provided by their vendor, and every time, portability was
compromisd. That was part of the exercise. Once, I got them to program
POSIX pipes; the Microsoft students did not like that much, but again, it's
an important lesson to know that there are industrial standards around, and
vendors like Microsoft deliberately flout them.
I note that the question was concering "Turbo C Assembler". Now, I have not
used a Microsoft platform for many years, but surely, that should be either
"Turbo C" or "Turbo Assembler". Asking anybody to write a program for a
specific vendor imho demonstrates incompetance on behalf of whoever is in
charge of the course, but, as long as you can stick to ANSI C, it should
still compile under Turbo C.
If, on the other hand, you are being requested to write assembley language
programs, then the question makes more sense. Assembley languages cannot be
standardised, as they reflect the underlying computer architecture. In this
case, Turbo Assembler (and I did not know it even existed :-)) is as good as
any other, so why not use Turbo stuff? However, nothing you write in
assembler for Linux will work for Microsoft platforms.
Cheers,
Mike Dowling
--
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It is, in fact, a sendmail alias; the digit 'N' is incremented regularly.
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If email to mikeN bounces, try mikeN+1.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can one set up RAID with IDE drives?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:09:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David S Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got two 6Gb drives and would like to mirror them using RAID1. Does
> anyone know if there are IDE RAID controllers out there and if so who
> makes them? I am running RedHat5.2
>
The Arco DupliDisk is a very affordable IDE RAID 1 disk mirroring controller.
You can check it out at: http://www.arcoide.com.
The DupliDisk doesn't require any drivers so it runs with any operating
system.
Donna Barron
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From: - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rpm question [very basic]
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:38:19 GMT
Try moving the required file out of the area temporarily, do the installation,
then move everything for the new installation to the /usr/local2 directory and
move the required file back in place... I wonder if this has been automated...
Ambrose Kofi Laing wrote:
> I'm trying to install a package A.rpm, which contains a file /usr/lib/afile.h.
> It turns out that there is already a file /usr/lib/afile.h on my system, so
> there is a file conflict. The only solution I see in my RedHat Linux users'
> guide is to use the command option
>
> rpm -ivh --replacefiles A.rpm
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> My problem is that I want to be able to keep the old program which installed
> the original /usr/lib/afile.h, and also have a new program which also wants
> to use the filename /usr/lib/afile.h with different contents. Both programs
> are very important. How can I do this without breaking either program?
> I don't want to set up a link which points to one of two files, and keep
> changing the link. I want to use both programs at the same time. Can
> anyone advise me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ambrose
>
> ps. I could compile my own sources for both programs and install them in
> different directories,
>
> eg. /usr/local and /usr/local2
>
> but I think the .rpm system should also be able to
> have an equivalent effect without compromising either version ???
--
-Chuck
Domain: boeing.com
UID: richard.c.wolber
Sorry for the e-mail inconvenience.
These are my thoughts, they do not represent the
Boeing Company.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: Looking for developers editor (vi with color context)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:14:52 GMT
T.E.Dickey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: > I just downloaded an awesome Win95 VI clone (Lemmy 3.0), and I am now looking
: > for something similar for LINUX. Features that I like:
: > Smooth mix of vi commands and mouse operation.
: > On the fly color syntax with very intuitive menu for setting colors
: > "Instant" coloring of syntax
: well - vim has 40% of what you are looking for, and vile has about 35%
: > Really what I want is Lemmy for Linux but maybe something just as good already
: > exists.
My understanding is that Lemmy was derived from an old Elvis. Maybe you
ought to try the latest elvis (2.1)?? You can find sources (as well as
DOS and Win95 executables) on ftp://ftp.cs.pdx.edu/pub/elvis.
Fred
--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
"For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his
glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior
be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before
all ages, now and forevermore! Amen."
============================= Jude 1:24,25 (niv) =============================
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From: "Peter L. Berghold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LINUS Can Suck My Hairy Cock .. or Newbie Needs Linux Help ...
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:08:07 GMT
DaZZa wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Loose Nut wrote:
>
>
> Build an idiot proof box, and they just build a better idiot!
>
>
Actually... Build an idiot proof box and only an idiot would want to use
it... Microsoft has been proving that for years....
OOOOOOOPPSSS!! Did I say that?!?! My fingers started typing what I was
thinking... ;-)
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Statement of Bill Neukom As Government Rests Its Case
Date: 13 Jan 1999 11:18:27 +0100
"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The curtain is coming down on a feeble case presented by the
> government, a federal government agency and state attorney-generals,
> certain of them, who have decided to do the bidding of competitors
> of Microsoft, competitors who have been largely unsuccessful in
> competing on the merits of their technology in the marketplace.
"Merits of technology?" Let me get this straight. First Microsoft
offers Internet Explorer with a similar pricing as Netscape. Nobody
wants it. Then they offer it gratis while Netscape still costs
money. Nobody wants it. Then they deliver it with their operating
system unasked. Still many people install Netscape over it. Then
they tie it into their operating system in a way which makes it pretty
hard to remove it.
This is competing on the merits of technology?
--
David Kastrup Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f�r Neuroinformatik, Universit�tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: libc5/libc6, WindowMaker, and segfaults
Date: 14 Jan 1999 12:07:39 -0500
Reply-To: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi folks,
I've got a program (GUI for Arkeia backup software) that has started
segfaulting for normal users but not for root. This only started
happening after I recently upgraded WindowMaker from 0.20 to 0.50, but
I'm at a loss to understand what the connection is, if any.
The system is a Red Hat 5.1 installation.
Checking ldd while root gives:
#ldd /usr/knox/bin/arkx
libX11.so.6 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4000d000)
libm.so.5 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libm.so.5 (0x4009f000)
libc.so.5 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libc.so.5 (0x400a7000)
Checking ldd for Joe user gives:
$ldd /usr/knox/bin/arkx
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4000d000)
libm.so.5 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libm.so.5 (0x400a4000)
libc.so.5 => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libc.so.5 (0x400ac000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40175000)
ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4025a000)
OK, so it looks like there's a problem with using libc.so.6 in
addition to libc.so.5. But wait, on another machine where the same
program (installed as a binary) runs fine for both root and users, ldd
shows:
$ ldd /usr/knox/bin/arkx
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40003000)
libm.so.5 => not found
libc.so.5 => not found
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4009a000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.1 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00000000)
So on this machine, libc6 works OK.
Can anyone give me some pointers as to what might be happening here,
or some things to check?
Thanks,
--
Dave Guertin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CAROL1RICK)
Crossposted-To:
rec.music.hip-hop,rec.models.rc.air,rec.woodworking,rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang,rec.sport.soccer,rec.travel.europe,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,comp.software.year-2000,alt.prophecies.nostradamus,alt.prophecies.cayce,alt.astrology,sci.astrology.hindu,sci.astrology.misc
Subject: Re: CONCLUSIVE PROOF: Jesus *is* King of the Jews ! ! !'
Date: 14 Jan 1999 17:11:44 GMT
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MODEL AIRCRAFT?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Meijer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Anti-aliased fonts
Date: 14 Jan 1999 17:08:10 GMT
Kaustav Bhattacharya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ about anti aliasing ]
You will like to read this:
http://www.slashdot.org/articles/99/01/07/1429242.shtml
HTH,
Eric
--
E.L. Meijer
Eindhoven Univ. of Technology
Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem.
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From: Phil Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Switching to Windows 95
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:28:17 +0000
Fair comment...yesterday was a long day; I think I must have suffered a
worse sense of humour failure than I thought. :-(
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, mike burrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >In comp.os.linux "jay" <-> wrote:
> >
> >| That must be some good crack-
> >| command.com is the command interpreter for the os!
> >
> >wtf is wrong with this newsgroup? a 3 year old could have figured
> >out he wasn't serious
>
> The same thing that happened to slashdot. Now that Linux is becoming a
> k00l alternative OS, we're starting to see an increased population of
> idiots drifting through the Linux newsgroups. :-(
>
> --
> -Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
> OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
> WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
> It doesn't work, but it looks pretty.
--
Phil Edwards
Technical Specialist
=====================================================================
Travellog Systems Phone +44 (0)1444 459016
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why isn't this simple script working?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:19:04 GMT
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:02:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Can anyone tell me why this *simple* script is not working? It is driving me
>bonkers! (Yes, I made it executable):
>
>PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
>export PATH
>
>That's it! If I type this in manually, it will work. If I run the script, it
>won't set the PATH. What's up?
Because, when you run it as a script, the script runs in another
process, and sets the path for *that* process. Then it terminates, and
the affected process goes away. To set environment variables in *your*
process, you either have to set them 'manually', or make the shell
read your script as if it were manually input (take a look at man bash
for the dot command).
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant, Systems Research and Development
Toronto Dominion Bank
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employers')
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Settle)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Switching to Windows 95
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:59:34 GMT
On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:12:30 GMT, mike burrell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux "jay" <-> wrote:
>| That must be some good crack-
>| command.com is the command interpreter for the os!
>
>wtf is wrong with this newsgroup? a 3 year old could have figured out he
>wasn't serious
Just as a check I asked my 3 year old if she realised that he wasn't
serious and her reply was "what's the f**kwit running Windows for in
the first place?" ;-)
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