Linux-Misc Digest #622, Volume #26 Sun, 24 Dec 00 07:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: Simple question.... (Lew Pitcher)
Re: Semi-newbie partition question (Lew Pitcher)
Re: DVD software for Linux yet? (John Hasler)
Re: Does killing processes leave hung resources? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Xwrapper on Xfree4.0.2 ("lobotomy")
Re: Help with 'chat' (John Hasler)
Re: gtoaster (Siukong)
Re: Semi-newbie partition question (Todd Rich)
Re: Semi-newbie partition question (Todd Rich)
Re: Palm emulators for Linux? ("Me")
Re: Does killing processes leave hung resources? (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: anyone:printing on an epson stylus color 980 (Rainer krienke)
Re: DVD software for Linux yet? (Pineapple)
Re: DVD software for Linux yet? (Pineapple)
Re: I want to know if there's any program like Teleport Pro ("Senyakhaz")
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simple question....
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:22:49 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown) wrote:
> >In article <3a4261fd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher) wrote:
> >>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:28:41 +0900 (KST), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>(Lee soonki) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>It seems that the 'dmesg' command shows only kernel jobs.
> >>>>i.e. the jobs done by init process can't be seen by dmesg after
> >>>>booting.
> >>>>Is there another command? or another method?
> >>>
> >>>more /var/log/messages
> >>
> >>I would use something more like
> >>tail -1000 /var/adm/messages | less
> >>
> >>1000 might be a bit high, but if you want to be
> >>sure to get most messages in the last cauple of weeks that might
> >>do it. Just using more takes about 10 minutes to page to the
> >>messages recent enough to care about.
> >
> >Or, how about:
> >
> > grep '^Dec ' /var/log/messages | more
> >
> >which would show you December's entries.
>
> Hey thx, thats a good one.
Yes, but I rotate my logs nightly, with 7 generations of logs kept
around. My /var/log/messages only contains messages generated over the
last 24 hours, and my /var/adm/archive directory contains my archived
logs.
merlin: /var/adm/archive # ls
logs.2000-351.tar.gz logs.2000-354.tar.gz logs.2000-357.tar.gz
logs.2000-352.tar.gz logs.2000-355.tar.gz
logs.2000-353.tar.gz logs.2000-356.tar.gz
--
Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
Registered Linux User #112576
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Semi-newbie partition question
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:26:28 -0500
Todd Rich wrote:
>
> Btw, thanks for not answering. I'll be installing it tomorrow morning.
You seem a bit perturbed about my not having answered your questions, so
I'll (belatedly) answer them for you and perhaps you won't be so put
off.
> Todd Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : Ok, I am starting to make the jump over to Linux. I got SuSE 7.0
> : Professional, and a new hard drive to install it on. I'll be manualy
> : switching to it to work on it and leaving my current hd unplugged until
> : I'm sure I've got things right. I've got System Commander 2000 and
> : Win95OSR2 installed on it, then moved the fat32 partition to the 7gb mark
> : on my hd. The hd is 30 gigs, so the first 7 gigs are unpartitioned, the
> : next 13 gigs are fat32, and the rest is unpartitioned. Now, on to the
> : questions.
>
> : 1, Will YaST partition all the unpartitioned areas correctly, or will I
> : need to use SC 2K to do it first? I plan on having a 128meg swap
> : partition.
I have no idea. I don't use YAST.
BTW, what's "SC 2K"?
> : 2, I plan on using SC 2K as the boot manager, any tips I should pay
> : attention to here?
None that I can think of.
BTW, what's "SC 2K"?
> : 3, I left the start of the fat32 partition under the 8gig limit so it
> : would be bootable and it is. Is this really necessary if I use SC 2K?
I have no idea. What's "SC 2K"?
> : I'll be eventually moving this hard drive into a new system I'm building,
> : and adding a second hd that will be mostly for Linux. Any precautions on
> : switching it over?
> : Thanks.
You're quite welcome. Glad to have helped.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.video.dvd,alt.video.dvd.software
Subject: Re: DVD software for Linux yet?
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:44:46 GMT
Pineapple writes:
> I always wondered what gives a linux user a right not to pay for dvd-
> player, even through everyone else is paying for them ?
Everyone has the right to use free software, Linux user or not.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does killing processes leave hung resources?
Date: 23 Dec 2000 21:54:47 -0900
"Tom Edelbrok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does killing processes (either with kill or killall) leave hung
>resources in Linux? Or is Linux too smart for that?
Generally it is not something you'll need to worry about. All
normal resources are released when a process dies.
Specifically though, there are ways for a program to cause
memory to be held even after the process has died. "Shared
memory" is a way for multiple processes to communicate via
memory that more than one process can access, and that memory is
not released when the process dies (a program must specifically
instruct the kernel to release it). Shared memory is rarely
used though, hence you probably need not be concerned with it
when killing random processes.
>Also, if you remove files while a daemon is running, does that
>muck up the disk or permanently leave some parts of the disk
>unreadable to Linux? For example, deleting /var/log/messages.
That will not muck up the disk in any way, but it will muck with
the daemon. syslogd, for example, will not automatically
restart a new /var/log/messages file if the existing one is
deleted. You can cause syslogd to re-initialize (see the man
page for syslogd, or for other processes you might be interested
in). But the easiest way to handle that problem to not
delete the file to begin with, and instead just truncate it to 0
bytes size. At the command line prompt,
$ > /var/log/messages
will do exactly that, and syslogd will continue without
a hitch.
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Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "lobotomy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xwrapper on Xfree4.0.2
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 08:22:26 GMT
AFAIK, Xwrapper just runs the X server and nothing else. It points to the
X server you are running (although now with 4.0x there is only one). You
still need to use startx to run whatever you have in xinitrc.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "John Hanson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I upgraded my RH 7 X implementation to 4.0.2 and now all non-root users
> must use Xwrapper instead of startx. This is all fine and dandy but now
> when running Xwrapper, the X server starts but there is nothing on the
> screen except dots and one X.
>
> All users used to run Helix-gnome and I would like to get that back
> again.
> Anyone know how to do this? What config file does Xwrapper use? I
> can't
> find any information on this.
>
> TIA
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with 'chat'
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:30:13 GMT
Daniel Bair writes:
> chat doesn't seem to work from the command line correctly.
This is a FAQ. Chat works perfectly from the command line. It scans its
standard input for the 'expect' strings and sends the 'send' strings to its
standard output.
Type this:
chat a \\nb\\n c \\nd\\n
Now type a, and then type c.
Chat knows nothing about modems and serial ports. Just connect chat's
standard input and output to the serial port. man chat.
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John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: Siukong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gtoaster
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:13:42 GMT
hi Brian,
if it's the second message i reply to you cus i got some problems when
i send the first reply message. if you get the first one, just ignore
this one.
i did what you described that dragging items (either files or
directory) from the upper right to the bottom. they did appear in the
bottom file field. i mean there are something in the bottom when i tried
to click the "record" button. however it just reply the error message of
having no track to record as i memtioned in the original message. this
is what i don't understand why......
peace :)
SHK
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Brian Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Siukong wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > i try to use gtoaster to make a data disc. i drag all the data
needed
> > to the file field. however, it keeps telling me that
> > "Recording 0 bytes to CD
> > No Recordable Tracks found"
> >
> > the drive is accessible cuz i can blank the disc successfully.
> > what could be wrong?
> >
> > SH
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/
>
> I believe you have to click on the bottom of the disk tree in the
upper
> left hand side part of the screen. This puts something in the upper
> right hand part of the screen which you then drag to the bottom of the
> screen. whew...now click on record.
>
> It's not obvious (or even close) but it is there in the docs.
> Brian
>
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: Todd Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Semi-newbie partition question
Date: 24 Dec 2000 11:16:18 GMT
NoMadis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: On 19 Dec 2000 03:30:04 GMT, Todd Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(snip)
: >1, Will YaST partition all the unpartitioned areas correctly, or will I
: >need to use SC 2K to do it first? I plan on having a 128meg swap
: >partition.
: I dont know about yast, but system commander will make nice ext2
: partitions. 128 mb swap will most likely do
Well, given I wasn't really up to the task of assigning all the
partitioning details, let YaST do it, but there were a few bumps in the
road...see below.
: >2, I plan on using SC 2K as the boot manager, any tips I should pay
: >attention to here?
: Yes. SC2000 is great, but there are a few traps you can fall into.
: I found that it is best to create a small, say 50 MB FAT16 partition
: at the beginning of the disk.
: Make a win98 bootflop and from that format this small partition with the
: /s swith, so you can boot the win98 command prompt.
: Do *not* do this with dos 622 or you will have vague but persisting problems
: with SC2000.
: Having this partition will give you the additional benefit of
: putting loadlin and a linux kernel on it, so you can boot linux in case
: someting goes wrong with your kernel.
: Then you should install SC2000 in this partition. (SC cannot live on a
: ext2 partition.)
Details on what I wound up doing below, might as well answer them all
together.
: >3, I left the start of the fat32 partition under the 8gig limit so it
: >would be bootable and it is. Is this really necessary if I use SC 2K?
: I am inclined to say no, but I am not sure. Experiment with it.
: However, you must put the LILO bootblock in your / partition rather than
: in the MBR of the disk (SC sits there).
: Then make the / partition actif and SC will display and be able to boot
: linux.
: You can even fill your disk with linux distros in this way.
: SC will see them and be able to boot them.
Well, if I let YaST handle the partitioning, I had to have the Fat-32
parition at the start of the drive as it would only let you pick the
rear-most space and work your way to the front, with no gaps. After I set
that up YaST handled the remaining partitioning with no problems. It
didn't matter what was there before, YaST overwrote it. So, I now have a
primary partiton (fat-32) at the front of the drive that is 7.5gigs with
WinME on it, and the remainder is a logical parition that is set up with a
small /boot parition with lilo on it, a 128 meg swap partition and the
remainder of the HD as a single EXT2 partition. However, I did let my
system boot from the DVD drive on the SuSE install, so to get SC 2K to see
it, I had to set the logical /boot parition as active, and then SC 2K was
fine with it. I haven't really had that much chance to mess with it yet
(Was up all night, the FULL install is 8gigs and took about 4 hours
total.) but it boots both OS's fine. The first boot with SuSE had a few
things I couldn't get to work until I set them up as root, but they worked
fine when it booted it up a second time and was only logged in as a user.
: >
: >I'll be eventually moving this hard drive into a new system I'm building,
: >and adding a second hd that will be mostly for Linux. Any precautions on
: >switching it over?
: ususally not. If HD is not found or not bootable or whatever,
: boot from a dos floppy and open scin in the SC directory.
: Choose reinstall and reboot. Its really simple.
: > Thanks.
: >
: >
: --
: Greetz,
: Joop
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From: Todd Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Semi-newbie partition question
Date: 24 Dec 2000 11:22:04 GMT
Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: Todd Rich wrote:
: >
: > Btw, thanks for not answering. I'll be installing it tomorrow morning.
: You seem a bit perturbed about my not having answered your questions, so
: I'll (belatedly) answer them for you and perhaps you won't be so put
: off.
I made the comment because my original article was about to expire off of
my local news-spool. See my other follow up for what happended with the
install.
(snip)
: > : 1, Will YaST partition all the unpartitioned areas correctly, or will I
: > : need to use SC 2K to do it first? I plan on having a 128meg swap
: > : partition.
: I have no idea. I don't use YAST.
: BTW, what's "SC 2K"?
System Commander 2000
: > : 2, I plan on using SC 2K as the boot manager, any tips I should pay
: > : attention to here?
: None that I can think of.
: BTW, what's "SC 2K"?
System Commander 200
: > : 3, I left the start of the fat32 partition under the 8gig limit so it
: > : would be bootable and it is. Is this really necessary if I use SC 2K?
: I have no idea. What's "SC 2K"?
System Commander 2000
: > : I'll be eventually moving this hard drive into a new system I'm building,
: > : and adding a second hd that will be mostly for Linux. Any precautions on
: > : switching it over?
: > : Thanks.
: You're quite welcome. Glad to have helped.
(snip)
: --
: Lew Pitcher
: Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
: Registered Linux User #112576
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From: "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Palm emulators for Linux?
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:41:23 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "E J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, xcopilot. You need to copy the rom image from a palm pilot. You
> have to ask nicely for palm to give you the newest of rom image. I got
> my xcopilot from the Redhat mirrored site, under the RH7.0 Powertools
> CD. It also has a development enviroment for palm pilots.
>
> Matt O'Toole wrote:
>
>> Are there any Palm emulators available for Linux? I'd like to be able
>> to run and test Palm applications, and take screenshots to stick into
>> printed docs and web pages.
>>
>> Matt O.
>
Likewise, you can get everything, including POSE (palm os emulator) from
www.palmos.com, either directly or via links. Note that to use the latest
POSE on RH7, you may need to compile it with --enable-debug. At least I
had to, thanks to the buggy compiler/libs. I haven't had any problems
with it though.
HTH...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: Does killing processes leave hung resources?
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:17:13 GMT
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:43:14 -0800, Tom Edelbrok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|Does killing processes (either with kill or killall) leave hung resources in
|Linux? Or is Linux too smart for that?
|
|Also, if you remove files while a daemon is running, does that muck up the
|disk or permanently leave some parts of the disk unreadable to Linux? For
|example, deleting /var/log/messages.
If a program has a file open, it can't be deleted. You can remove it from the
file system, so it doesn't show up on a directory listing, but the disk
space is still is use. When the program closes the file, the space will
be reclaimed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rainer krienke)
Subject: Re: anyone:printing on an epson stylus color 980
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:29:55 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rainer krienke) writes:
> Hello,
>
> I try to print to my new epson stylus color printer. The problem is,
> that except for plain ascii text I cannot print anything like eg
> tiger.ps from gs. I am using cups 1.1.4 with the gimpprint filters
> installed. The effect is, that a single printout is scattered across
> severel (10-20) pages. On each page you can see only some "lines" of the
> image that should appear on *one* page.
>
> Does anyone have a epson 980 running, and if what configuration do you
> use?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help
> Rainer
>
>
Found the bug in between. The trouble was that the parallel cable seemd
to be to long. Allthough the old printer (HP Deskjet 870 Cxi) worked
fine with it, the epson seems to be a little more picky about this
subject. Anyway using another cable and cups-o-matic, the printer
produces great results.
Thanks Rainer
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From: Pineapple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.video.dvd,alt.video.dvd.software
Subject: Re: DVD software for Linux yet?
Date: 24 Dec 2000 11:48:28 GMT
>Wondering about the reason why Linux users won't pay for watching DVD
>movies is not the question. The REAL question is why anybody MUST pay to
>watch DVD movies. NOBODY SHOULD have to pay for watching DVD's contents,
>or you aren't you already paying for the content (movie) itself ?
You can't watch your laserdiscs or vhs-tapes for free. You also pay for
your cd-player, md-player and even for your c-casette deck. Where is it
defined that dvd sould be free ? Paying for dvd-content does give you a
right to own it and the media it's on - it doesn't include the license for
a playing software.
Also DVD-rom drive may include a software license for windows-software but
that doesn't include a right to use similliar software on another platform
or OS. DVD-decoding is a licenseable technique and isn't free.
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From: Pineapple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.video.dvd,alt.video.dvd.software
Subject: Re: DVD software for Linux yet?
Date: 24 Dec 2000 11:51:22 GMT
>> I always wondered what gives a linux user a right not to pay for dvd-
>> player, even through everyone else is paying for them ?
>
>Everyone has the right to use free software, Linux user or not.
I didn't question the right to use free software altogether, just with dvd-
playing. Companies which sell these softwares have to pay for the license
to use it, hence so have the home-users. I can't see how this excludes
linux-users somehow.
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From: "Senyakhaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I want to know if there's any program like Teleport Pro
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:58:24 -0000
I think this program is like wget..... It's download recursive only it not
re-arrange the links like Teleport pro
Ralph Miguel Hansen wrote in message <9224rn$tf0$07$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
Senyakhaz wrote:
> Hi....
> I want to know if there's any program like Teleport Pro to download web
> pages into hard disk...
> I tried Wget but is not want i looking for.
> Wget retrieves the web pages but have problems with the link's..
> If you tried Teleport Pro you know what I mean...
> Thankx
>
>
>
There is a nice piece of software here: www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo. For me
it works almost fine.
Hope it helps
Ralph Miguel Hansen
Auf der Donau 29
45139 Essen
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