Linux-Misc Digest #634, Volume #18 Sat, 16 Jan 99 02:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("Joshua Schaeffer")
kicq dont start ;( (Antonio)
Strange KDE question! (Peter Lee)
Re: Best Free Unix? (Arthur Corliss)
Re: Quicken for Linux (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: What Linux distributions bundle SNMP agents and daemons? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux should not support non-free modules (David Steuber)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (jedi)
Newbie: Can't Read CDROM properly ("Calvin Mitchell - Pacbell")
Re: Is RH 5.2 good to you? (Leslie Mikesell)
Clintoon -- was: Newbie asks: why Linux?
Re: [xxx] Can Suck My Hairy Cock (Jeff Schuyler)
Re: colored ls list ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux + Netscape mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
?? re output of: % time <command> (Chris Menzel)
Re: 2038 and Linux (Christopher Browne)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jerry)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Richard Steiner)
Re: Switching to Windows 95 (Richard Steiner)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Chris Morgan)
Re: linux accounting package (Christopher Browne)
Re: Problems with 'make' (David Augros)
fvwm2's FvwmEvent dumping cores. . . (Norvell Spearman)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Joshua Schaeffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:27:51 -0500
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
>The Mac's GUI is *still* the GUI to beat.
Right up until the point where you want to do something useful. The Mac's
GUI is such a kludge when it comes to heavy use that I shiver at the thought
of being forced to use it again. A lot of Unix machines are just as bad.
Right now I'm throwing my cards into Windows 2000's deck (but that's not to
say that it's without need of here-and-there tweaking).
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:54:16 -0100
From: Antonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kicq dont start ;(
when i try to lunch the kicq.... i see this message :
kicq: error in loading shared libraries
: undefined symbol: __vt_11QPushButton.12QPaintDevice
what happen ?????
all kde is correct installed i have 166 mmx intel slacware 3.6 glibc2
bye bye
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From: Peter Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Strange KDE question!
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:56:58 +0000
Hi,
I have been using KDE on my Redhat for a while. Everything has been good
until last week. After I startkde, the bottom panel of KDE shows only K
menu and 4 desktop menu buttons, while other menu buttons disapperared.
If I switched to other desktop, the whole bottom panel disappeared.
I need to logout, and login, sometimes one time, sometime several times
to see my original bottom panel. However the bottom panel now only
works on desktop 2, 3, 4, while the desktop 1 still only shows K menu
button.
Can anyone tell me how do I correct this problem????
Thanks in advance!
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Corliss)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Jan 1999 17:35:12 -0900
On 10 Jan 1999 18:30:58 GMT, Philip Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Solaris 7 isn't fully 64 bit, only in areas like memory access and such.
>
>you're thinking of solaris 2.6
>
>Solaris 7 has 64-bit libs now.
>
>http://www.sun.com/solaris/whatsnew.html
>claism solaris 7 is "a complete 64-bit operating environment"
>
:-) Thanks for the correction. Would've thought I would have caught such
and announcement. :-P However, it the site also mentions that Sun's 64 bit
technology is a phased roll-out--and it's not done yet.
>From what I recall on the last reviews, there was still a great deal to be
done in optimisation. Portions of the kernel provided a 64 bit interface, but
some of the internals were doing some nasty juggling. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but Solaris is a step closer to being a full 64 bit operating system,
but there's still work to be done.
--Arthur Corliss
Bolverk's Lair -- http://www.odinicfoundation.org/arthur/
"Live Free or Die, the Only Way to Live" -- NH State Motto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Quicken for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 05:02:04 GMT
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:08:37 GMT, Bob Koss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Is there a Linux app that can read/write Quicken files?
CBB version 0.76 was released this week; it has been reading and
writing Quicken Interchange Format files for a number of years now.
See the URL below to find more about CBB and other QIF-grokking
programs...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/finances.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What Linux distributions bundle SNMP agents and daemons?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:03:18 GMT
Christopher Smiga writes:
> Q1.) Does anyone know what distributions of Linux have SNMP agents and
> daemons bundled with them?
Debian:
Package: snmp
Version: 3.5-3
Priority: extra
Section: net
Maintainer: David Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Depends: libc6, libsnmp3.5, libsnmp3.5
Architecture: i386
Filename: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/net/snmp_3.5-3.deb
Size: 80450
MD5sum: 98fa47ea52677303217145d3c35e66f8
Description: CMU SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) Agent and Apps.
The CMU SNMP agent allows remote monitoring of various network and
system information. The CMU SNMP applications allow querying the CMU
and other SNMP agents.
installed-size: 219
Debian also includes some snmp libraries and some other snmp tools.
--
John Hasler This posting is in the public domain.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will.
Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind.
Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux should not support non-free modules
Date: 14 Jan 1999 19:27:42 -0500
I don't have the original post that started this topic. But I do have
a comment on the subject line itself. If Linux ever supports UDI or
any other standards that make it possible for device driver writers to
make binary only releases, and they choose to go that route, I'm not
going to object. If it is the only way to get a piece of hardware I
want to use to work, then so be it. I won't be happy about it. But
something is always better than nothing (unless it's the flu).
It is always preferable to go open source. But if it takes allowing
closed source modules to be distributed to get commercial support then
I will allow it.
I believe the NeoMagic chipset drivers for the video display on my
Laptop are binary only releases. Am I happy about that? No. But at
least I have KDE working.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:02:05 -0800
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:22:13 -0500, Joshua Schaeffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>That's great. I used to do all my word processing in college on a
>>C128. Remember those? Kind of puts people using Pentiums for the same
>>thing in perspective...
>
>The difference is that the time it took to boot up that word processor on
>the C128 was likely long enough to permit you to make a sufficient stop at
>the bathroom with a few moments to spare.
That was primarily an I/O limitation less dependent on
how slow the CPU was and more on how slow storage was.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: "Calvin Mitchell - Pacbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux.slakware,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Newbie: Can't Read CDROM properly
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:32:01 -0800
I wrote some ftp files on a cd-r disc using an HP CD-R 7200.
When I mount the disc on my linux or openstep system, files that are beyond
a certain size show up as multiple copies.
Help!!
Calvin Mitchell, IS Operations, Mgr.
R&D Laboratories, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rndlabs.com
http://home.pacbell.net/cal_mitc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Is RH 5.2 good to you?
Date: 15 Jan 1999 23:52:35 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Howdy!
>
>I was just thinking I'd put a message here first before I upgrade from
>5.0 to 5.2.
>Anyone had any difficulties after such an upgrade? What might start
>messing with you? Any cons of 5.2 compared to 5.0? Is it worth the
>effort?
I've never trusted upgrades although it might be OK within the
same major release. I recommend making sure that /home is a separate
partition when you install initially and the just completely
re-installing the new system / and /usr when you want to upgrade.
You do have to re-do anything you have downloaded and compiled
into /usr/local, and it is a good idea to keep a spare copy of
the files from /etc to help get the new system configured right.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Clintoon -- was: Newbie asks: why Linux?
Date: 15 Jan 1999 03:42:37 GMT
On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:10:53 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "I will have the most ethical administration in history."
>> Bill Clinton; Nov. 1992
>>
>> Yeah, right....
>
>The sad realization of History may, in fact, be that he had.
Above that of Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt (Teddy)....
Please...
This guy has the least amount of character of anyone who has ever held
the office and doesn't even know the meaning of the word ethics.
I can't even believe you were serious, you WERE joking, right?
---
"I will have the most ethical administration in history."
Bill Clinton; Nov. 1992
Yeah, right....
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From: Jeff Schuyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [xxx] Can Suck My Hairy Cock
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:09:37 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shaygetz wrote:
> "Omni�" wrote:
> >
> > [snipped]
> >
> > if your so fuckin smart
> > whats the intel p200 cpu machine language code
> > to create a nul file in linux?
>
> Um, try this (in Linux):
>
> su -
> rm -r /
>
> Then reboot.
Um, you probably want to use the -f option too. ;-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: colored ls list
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:24:55 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I just switched to RedHat 5.1 from Slakware'96 (That's what it says on the CD-
> Rom, I don't know what version other than that.), Linux kernel version 2.0.
>
> The one thing that I liked about slakware was that it was configured to have a
> colored view of the files when I do a 'ls' command. The executables would be
> in yellow with a '*' beside it, dirs would be in blue with a '/' beside it,
> etc.
>
> How do I get redhad to do that same thing? I'm sure there's a configuration
> file that I could edit to get the proper settings. My question is, what is
> the path/name of that file, and how do I change it to get those requested
> settings.
>
> Any help would be appreciated!
> -Regards,
> Darryl Perry
>
> --
> Gryphon's : Online Games..........InterBBS league GuildeNet 88
> Eyrie : Paranormal Topics.....Ghost Hunting and Hauntings
> BBS : Sysop Interests.......Visiting Sysops Welcome
> : Telnet................eyriebbs.dynip.com
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Assuming your using the bash shell, edit your bashrc file (in /etc) to
include the line:
alias ls="ls --color=tty"
--
Josh Morris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux - Where do you want to go tomorrow?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux + Netscape mail
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:08:09 GMT
Everytime i try to send a msg via Netscape Messenger, it locks up tight.
I have to logout of X and restart X to unlock it.
Any Ideas?
============= Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ============
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Menzel)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: ?? re output of: % time <command>
Date: 15 Jan 1999 23:47:27 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am doing a simple comparison of the speed of two systems running
linux using a perl script that implements a simple algorithm for
checking the consistency of a set of sentences of predicate logic.
Anyway, on one system, if I run the script (ttree.pl) on a given set of
sentences with the command "time ./ttree.pl", I get the following
output:
./ttree.pl 24.04s user 0.44s system 98% cpu 24.740 total
On the other, I get the following:
./ttree.pl 29.89s user 3.01s system 100% cpu 32.801 total
The difference is somewhat curious, as both machines are K6-2 systems
with 128MB of RAM and both boards have a 100MHz front side bus and L2
cache (though there *might* be a difference in size between the caches).
Consequently, I'd like to know if the above figures are telling me
anything useful. Aside from the difference in total runtime, the
difference that jumps out at me is the one between system times: 0.44s
on the faster machine vs. 3.01s on the slower machine, a 7-fold
increase. Can anyone tell me what these numbers mean, and what their
significance might be? Could a difference in cache size, if there is
one, make such a dramatic difference? Any answers appreciated.
Chris Menzel
==================================================================
Christopher Menzel | web: philebus.tamu.edu/~cmenzel
Philosophy, Texas A&M University | net: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
College Station, TX 77843-4237 | vox: (409) 845-8764
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: 15 Jan 1999 02:44:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 14 Jan 1999 11:39:29 -0500, Doug DeJulio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <77h02d$bg6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Until Intel *stops making money* on IA-32 chips, they are unlikely to
>>stop making them. Consider that they still manufacture 8 bit
>>microcontrollers.
>
>We can make a stronger statement than this. Until Intel *and* AMD
>*and* Cyrix *and* WinChip *and* ...(blah blah), there will be
>IA-32-compatible chips in wide use.
Absolutely.
In order for IA-32 to become irrelevant, the present sales need to stop.
That requires that *all* of these companies essentially get out of the
business. For Intel, a natural transition would be to move production
from IA-32 to IA-64, which is *plausible,* albeit with the caveat that
if it's still worth making and selling IA-32 chips, they'll likely
continue. At least with runs intended for embedded and other "special"
applications (like Milspec work).
For AMD, Cyrix, IDT, and Ross (an obscure one), the leap away from
IA-32 requires that they have some new place to go.
1. Since Intel doesn't seem too likely to want to license IA-64, that's
not much of an option for them. All indications are that Intel has
tried to build IA-64 as an architecture that is intentionally difficult
to duplicate. Replicating it seems likely to be prone to patent
problems...
2. Bankruptcy is always an option.
Not one that is real popular with customers, employees and shareholders,
of course.
3. It seems unlikely to me that any of these companies would design a
completely new architecture with a new instruction set; adopting a 64
bit architecture seems likely to me to involve partnering with one of
the existing 64 bit makers (Alpha|MIPS|SPARC|PPC).
To this end, AMD has done some work with Digital vis a vis EVP
technologies.
It still seems a little unlikely to me that they'll start cloning
relatively obscure architectures that don't (Alpha being the exception,
and MIPS/PPC being *former* exceptions) run Win32 and likely won't run
Win64.
There needs to be a *big* bandwagon of support for one or another of
these 64 bit architectures in order for these guys to make this "leap."
The fact that Linux runs pretty well on *all* of these architectures is
nice, and, if Microsoft succeeds in jumping into a vast chasm with a big
push from the Department of Justice, this might conceivably allow Linux
to be a "white knight" to help make these architectures viable for
widespread use. Wild-eyed guesstimate is that if this occurred, it
wouldn't be terribly relevant to decisionmakers at AMD/Cyrix/... until
on the next millennium. (And, playing purist here, that's not 'til
2001...)
4. By far the most likely option, until consumer computing changes again
(e.g. - around 2001), is for these companies to concentrate on what they
are already quite competent at, which is building increasingly powerful
IA-32 CPUs.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a real computer" - Dilbert.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Jerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:02:29 +0000
> If one uses "Java speed", either Windows NT or Windows 95/98 (I forget
> which) is all-out tops of every platform out there. Even
> Solaris!
Bullshit !! No MS software supports Java under any version of Windoze -
only MSes pathetic attempt at implementing Java - of course it runs
quicker under Windoze - MS hacked Java, took out the security features,
made it non-standard and you quote this against "true" Java - lets see
how quick an official Java release runs under Windoze and then compare
it to other platforms....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:35:34 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Morris)
spake unto us, saying:
>>Some of them were, yes. Concurrent CP/M, PC-MOS and Xenix were
>>all multitasking/multiuser. DR-DOS was very similar to MS-DOS
>>but with a lot of usability enhancements
>
>What's intriguing is what they could do with such
>MINIMAL hardware back then!!
Look at PC/GEOS as well for some amazing stuff on XT-class hardware.
(That's GeoWorks Ensemble 1.x for those that remember)
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Fish! Fish! Fish! Fish! Fish! Fish! - Cat, Red Dwarf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Switching to Windows 95
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:26:28 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, mike burrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>In comp.os.linux "jay" <-> wrote:
>
>| That must be some good crack-
>| command.com is the command interpreter for the os!
>
>wtf is wrong with this newsgroup? a 3 year old could have figured
>out he wasn't serious
The same thing that happened to slashdot. Now that Linux is becoming a
k00l alternative OS, we're starting to see an increased population of
idiots drifting through the Linux newsgroups. :-(
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
It doesn't work, but it looks pretty.
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From: Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 15 Jan 1999 12:13:47 -0500
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The main reason the consumer looses is technical advances are
> dramaticly slowed by the lack of competition. Linux is nothing more
> than the reimplimentation of an old design.
So is a Mercedes. God, as they say, is in the details.
--
Chris Morgan <mihalis at ix.netcom.com> http://www.mihalis.net
"I don't like the drugs,
but the drugs like me" - Marilyn Manson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: linux accounting package
Date: 15 Jan 1999 02:43:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 14 Jan 1999 00:34:44 GMT, Ernesto J. Colon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anybody know of a lighweight linux accounting package that I can
>purchase? FreeMoney sounds like what I need but is not ready yet. Tried
>to install acctonit but have not been able to yet.
Have you looked at <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/financelinux.html>?
It has a pretty much exhaustive list of packages that are available.
I do recall having a 'fun time' getting AcctOnIt to install *and run;*
it seems that it was compiled far enough back that it runs afoul of
changes made in the naming of terminals. You might find that it would
be more likely to work in an xterm than on the console...
--
Who needs fault-tolerant computers when there's obviously an ample
market of fault-tolerant users?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: David Augros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problems with 'make'
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:36:22 -0500
You are either not in the directory where the kernel sources are, or you do not
have the kernel sources. You did download (or install from CD) the kernel
tarball right? If so you should have unpacked it into /usr/source/linux. You
need to be in that directory (it has the Makefiles in it) for make to know what
you want it to do. Your message means that make looked in your current
directory for a Makefile and did not find one (or found one that did not mention
how to make 'config'), so it told you that and exited. Get the source, untar
it, goto /usr/src/linux, then type 'make config'. Also, seems like you should
give the old Kernel HOWTO another look.
hope this helps.
dave
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From: Norvell Spearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: fvwm2's FvwmEvent dumping cores. . .
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:31:29 -0600
I'm running RedHat Linux 5.1 with fvwm2-2.1.4-2 and
AnotherLevel-0.7.3-1. My sound card works fine (configured with
sndconfig --noprobe), but when I enable sounds for events in XWindows, I
get a core dump. The same thing happened when I was using earlier
versions of fvwm2 which had FvwmAudio.
If no one else has had this problem, could somebody please tell me how
to glean information from a core file?
Many thanks,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To reply, remove my opinion about
unwanted e-mail from my address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:43:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JAD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Whether Bill Gates is the ultimate businessman or not I don't know -
> maybe
> this Microsoft show isn't really his doing, but rather the work of his
> adviser. I don't think you and I are in a position to determine this. He
> has had success in his business, obviously, at least if success is
> limited
> to mean 'hoarding a lot of money'. But this may be like saying that
> 'Hitler
> was the ultimate war lord' because he had a lot of military success -
> now
> we know something about that ended, and what is really left of his
> success?
> (NB: I'm not here comparing the person Hitler with the person Bill
> Gates!)
>
> And I don't think Gates is a genius either. Genius is more than just
> being
> an intelligent opportunist - think about eg Einstein. He was obviously
> very
> intelligent, but maybe not as much as eg. Bohr or a lot of others - but
> he
> was able to edge his way past the limitations in the model of the world
> that
> he had learned and accepted as true, to find a solution that in fact is
> surprisingly simple, even if most of us find it difficult to understand.
>
> Gates, on the other hand, has not achieved his success by other means
> than
> the traditional - after all, his trick is just to sell SW in the same
> way
> you sell shampoo and other luxury items. This is not genius, just bad
> moral.
>
> /jan
>
Gasoline cars exists since the last century in Germany, but was Henry Ford
that made it in a widely available thing with the production line.
With milions of Model T on the streets the Oil industry grown up very fast,
creating the richest man of this century, Rockfeller.
The personal computer is the equivalent in our time to the Ford T, and Window$
the �Gasoline� that makes them work. Any similarity between Micro$hit and
Standard Oil is NOT coincidence.
Bento
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