Linux-Misc Digest #646, Volume #18 Sat, 16 Jan 99 21:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: HELP - I need recommendation on Screen Saver (James Youngman)
Re: Multi booting (David Pace)
Re: Printing Problems (Bob Tennent)
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
(Kevin Martin)
Re: Multi booting (David Pace)
Re: Clintoon -- was: Newbie asks: why Linux? (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
("rob")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Andres Soolo)
No "probe" utility, so cant tell if pcmcia is loaded ("Penny Freund")
include files? where? ("Oo.et.oO")
/dev/dsp What the....
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Mark)
Linux on a 286? (Michael J. Waddell)
Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND idiot-friendly?
(Johan Kullstam)
errors after make menuconfig (Pavlos Parissis)
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP - I need recommendation on Screen Saver
Date: 15 Jan 1999 23:22:11 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> But this happens even when X isn't running at all. It's happening
> at a lower level than X. Thanks for that information, though.. it
> will help once I solve the deeper problem.
man setterm
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ACTUALLY reachable as @free-lunch.demon.(whitehouse)co.uk:james+usenet
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From: David Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Multi booting
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:40:03 -0500
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Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> I'm working on installing Windows98, Windows NT, and Linux on the same
> hard drive. I would also like to use the boot manager that I have,
> which requires a partition. Is there a way to do this? My windows 98
> drive is Fat32, and NT is running on NTFS, and Linux will be running
> ext2. Is there some way to do this, or do I need to get another hard
> drive? Thanks,
> Greg.
> Greg Leblanc
> Network Admin
> Concordia University Portland
> gleblanc at cu-portland.edu
Apparently it is possible:
Check this message out (that I saved from long ago):
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Gregory Leblanc wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I'm working on installing Windows98, Windows NT,
and Linux on the same
<BR>hard drive. I would also like to use the boot manager that I
have,
<BR>which requires a partition. Is there a way to do this?
My windows 98
<BR>drive is Fat32, and NT is running on NTFS, and Linux will be running
<BR>ext2. Is there some way to do this, or do I need to get another
hard
<BR>drive? Thanks,
<BR> Greg.
<BR>Greg Leblanc
<BR>Network Admin
<BR>Concordia University Portland
<BR>gleblanc at cu-portland.edu</BLOCKQUOTE>
Apparently it is possible:
<P>Check this message out (that I saved from long ago):
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From: r d t@c s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: Printing Problems
Date: 15 Jan 1999 21:21:48 GMT
On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:52:23 +1100, A J Wilson wrote:
>
>I am try to configure a laser printer (Canon LBP-8MarkIIIR) to work under
>Redhat 5.1. I used Print Tool under XWindows to add the printer. It seems
>to print plain text and graphics okay from my Windows 95 computers, however
>when I print from Linux the text comes out in landscape orientation instead
>of portrait. How do I change the orientation in Linux?
>
>Also when I try to print a postscript document the printer beeps a number of
>times and garbage gets printed out. The printer is not a postscript printer
>but I thought that Linux could change postscript to normal printer language
>so that it could be printed on a non postscript printer. How can I set it
>up?
>
You need to use the lbp8 driver in ghostscript.
Do gs -h and check that your ghostscript was compiled with
this driver. When you used printtool, which input filter did you
select? You should have seen one for the Canon LBP-8. If not.
you should upgrade your rhs-printfilters package.
Bob T.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:40:37 GMT
In article <77qrq8$ced$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, it says that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Larry
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
You are mistaken, or at best, woefully incomplete in that attribution. You
see, he (and you) also plastered comp.os.linux.networking,
comp.os.linux.portable, comp.os.linux.powerpc, and comp.os.linux.setup.
If you don't look to see where your followups are going, your inattention
can be USED to cause all of sorts of nastiness, either to you or to
others. Please pay attention to what you're doing.
Thanks.
--
Usenet is not idiot-friendly.
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From: David Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Multi booting
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:43:54 -0500
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Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> I'm working on installing Windows98, Windows NT, and Linux on the same
> hard drive. I would also like to use the boot manager that I have,
> which requires a partition. Is there a way to do this? My windows 98
> drive is Fat32, and NT is running on NTFS, and Linux will be running
> ext2. Is there some way to do this, or do I need to get another hard
> drive? Thanks,
> Greg.
> Greg Leblanc
> Network Admin
> Concordia University Portland
> gleblanc at cu-portland.edu
It is not MSWord:
Here it is again:
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Hullo all!
First thank you very much for your help.
What I got to work is:
- Windows 98
- a second Windows 98
- Windows NT 4 (on NTFS!)
- BeOS and
- Linux
all managed with Linux LILO v20.
Since I often hear about difficulties with NT/NTFS and LILO I want
to share with you what I learned this weekend (after installing NT
about 6 times...)
If you, of course, have a perfectly working system, quit reading
here.
So my setup is now like this:
hda: (Standard DOS bootsector, hda4 is active)
hda1: Windows 98 (Productive install) FAT32
hda2: Windows 98 (Experimental) FAT32
hda3: Windows NT 4.0 NTFS
hda4: (LILO bootsector)
hda5,6: Linux swap
hda7: /boot ext2fs
hdb:
hdb1: / ext2fs
hdb2: /usr ext2fs
hdb3: BeOS R3 BeFS
sda:
sda1: scratch disk changes every hour or so ;-)
What Did I do to get this working?
0. Partition magic is your friend!!! (You won't use it if you're
doing it right the first time, but it saves lots of time for backing
up installations on the scratch disk and for moving/resizing
partitions etc.)
1. Recompiled lilo with REWRITE_TABLES set, so I can no hide my
Win98 installations before each other.
2. Install LILO after all M$ systems (BeOS is very friendly, so no
problem there.)
3. Write change-rules in lilo.conf to hide FAT32 partitions.
Partition hiding with FAT16_big doesn't seem to work, also the reset
statement had no effect (lilo compiled from the suse 5.2-srpm
without any warnings (gcc 2.7.2.1) so I guess it's a LILO problem)
So I wrote the rules for FAT16_big as FAT16-big (note the dash
instead of the underscore, so the definition doesn't clash).
Another important point when using change-rules is that the
(de)acticate line apparently has to be _after_ the set=3D line of a
partition statement. I cannot fathom why, but it didn't work the
other way in my setup.
4. Move the /boot directory onto the first hd. I could boot
perfectly well from Linux and both win98 installations with the
/boot directory on hdb1, but not NT/NTFS. I didn't try NT/FAT16.
5. Deactivate the linear option. Unfortunately I only tried this
quite late in the process :-( With linear turned on I only could
boot from hda1-Win98 and Linux, but not from NT and hda2-Win98
(this's reeeally strange, I should think, but I checked that one out
at the end) Changing the compact option doesn't change anything. I
left it turned on in my lilo.conf.
I guess this one is Board/Chipset/Disk specific, so here we go:
- Asus T2P4, earliest MMX enabled release (3.01 I think)
- BIOS 0205
- Cyrix/IBM 6x86MX PR200
- hda, hdb are two brand-new Quantum Fireball EX 6400 AT drives,
which the board drives in LBA, PIO4 initially.
I think you could even do it without partition hiding and thus
without recompiling lilo (I tried it with the two win98, but without
LILO: the active partition boots win98 , the other primary partition
is D:) but I prefer to have the installations completely
independent.
Note that I had absolutely no trouble with my shuffled partition on
both hdb and hda: the physical ordering on the discs is "hda4 (hda5
hda6 hda7) hda1 hda2 hda3" and "hdb2 hdb1" (I did this because I did
want to have Win98 on hda1 but swap space on the fastest zone of the
disc).
Though you can't create such things with partition magic (3.01 I
think) I've had no problems at all resising/moving partitions. But I
won't touch the WinNT fdisk again if I can help it - apparently it
tries to reorder things under some conditions.
So have fun (and remember to use tunefs to increase the maximal
mount count b/c you'll have about 80 reboots until you're finished
setting up things...)
What I'll do next is try to install Hurd and native Oberon on hdb as
well. Any other funny operating systems outta there? (I'll want to
win the who-has-the-most-operating-systems-installed-contest :-)
--
Greets from over there
Dagurashibanipal
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Nothing travels faster than light.
With, of course, the exception of bad news. -- D. Adams
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Clintoon -- was: Newbie asks: why Linux?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:36:22 -0600
NF Stevens wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:10:53 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> "I will have the most ethical administration in history."
> >>> Bill Clinton; Nov. 1992
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, right....
> >>
> >>The sad realization of History may, in fact, be that he had.
> >
> >Above that of Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt (Teddy)....
> >
> >Please...
> >
> >This guy has the least amount of character of anyone who has ever held
> >the office and doesn't even know the meaning of the word ethics.
> >I can't even believe you were serious, you WERE joking, right?
>
> Forty million dollars spent on Kenneth Starr's fishing expeditions
> and all they came up with is that he didn't immediately own up
> to an extra marital affair.
>
> Norman (apologies for the off topic post)
Convenient of you to ignore the 17 indictments and 16 convictions that
Starr got for the 40 million. Let's see... Welch took several years
longer and nearly 70 million dollars to North, and that conviction was
overturned. Did you complain about that waste of money?
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From: "rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:28:45 -0700
So true - what you use is what you like. A foreign graduate student here
was all frustrated with windows because he was used to UNIX and coudn't
figure out how to grep in windows.
rob.
Peter Sch�ller wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
<snip>
>A person used to Windows/MacOS will feel lost in Linux. A person used to
Linux will feel
>lost in Windows. It's as simple as that.
>
>The first time I ever used a computer, it was a Mac, running MacOS 6. After
that, I used
>some DOS on an old portable. Guess what I ended up using? The latter. I
hated Windows
>3.x almost from the beginning. Then I tried OS/2 and switched immediately.
Then I tried
>Linux, and switched immediately. So, if MacOS/Windows is "really" more easy
to use then all
>the rest, how come I prefered DOS? An OS cannot be "objectivelly easy to
use".
>
>The commonly held opnion seems to be that Windows/MacOS is user friendly,
while the rest are
>for expoerts only. I couldn't disagree more.
>
>/ Peter Schuller
>----------------
>E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 17 Jan 1999 00:16:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Alan Boyd <Spamless> wrote:
> No, it never had them in the first place. DOS 1 could only read the A:
> drive, it didn't even have hard disk support nor did it have
> directories. It grew from there but did it slowly. IIRC, DOS 1.1
Wasn't it DOS 1.05 ?
> supported directories and DOS 2 was the first to support the hard
> drive. Networking came as an add-on from Novell around DOS 3.
The support for bigger hard disks than 32MB came with 4.0, if I
recall right. And the partitioning support too.
Somewhere (Tech HELP?) I read that the 4.0 wasn't even produced by
Microsoft, but IBM because Microsoft didn't want to develop
the 3.3 any further. They must have thought that by the third release
everything is ready. Yet another interesting fact: the
DOS defines standard io streams stdaux and stdprn that refer
to the serial device (this time it was generally a mouse) and to
the printer. Which multitasking os, or an os that could
eventually go multitasking, did such things?
That's the `Real Mode' technology, originally invented by von
Neumann. Or was it Charles Babbage? The innovative spirit
in Microsoft things is so exciting.
[snip]
>> suitable examples to go off of. Second, DOS could have been improved
>> over time in more substantial ways to take advantage of additional
>> power in the 286 and 386. Microsoft tried really late in the game
>> with OS/2, but that was a complete replacement of DOS, not a fixing of
>> it.
> No kidding, I kept waiting for the next version of DOS that would
> (finally) allow access to that whopping 15MB of ram that the 286 could
> address.
Does anyone remember the exact CP/M licencing terms? I have seen
a CP/M manual where the assembler source of the kernel was printed.
Sorry, don't remember what happpened to it later, but it would
even now be interesting to know if one could legally patch it
and use it.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Below you can see an invisible tagline.
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From: "Penny Freund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No "probe" utility, so cant tell if pcmcia is loaded
Date: 17 Jan 1999 01:58:57 GMT
I cant seem to load the pcmcia module. The YaST tool doesn't do it. I
tried to insmod (doesn't report an error) but modprobe doesn't display the
devices. Should I load all the modules in the package? How do I ensure
that my TexasInstrum PCI1131 slots are running (I DON'T have a utility
called "probe" that was suggested to me)?? Thanks!
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From: "Oo.et.oO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: include files? where?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:59:16 +0000
Hello-
I just realized that in my new installation of RH 5.1 It didn't install
any of the standard include files. I have the Linux source right where
it usually is in /usr/src/linuxxxx
and the include files are there in /usr/src/linux/include/linux
but they are not in /usr/include
where I would normally find them.
what gives?
one would think that if you wanted to install gcc,make,etc with redhat
RPM it would force you to install the standard C include files as well.
does anyone know why they are not there and what to do about it?
I am talking about include files such as stdio.h and string.h
BTW I don't have stdio.h on my machine at all!
kind of miffed here. I hate distros!
-eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: /dev/dsp What the....
Date: 15 Jan 1999 23:45:15 GMT
I have a slight problem with my wifes computer.
I rebuilt the kernel so I would have sound with my
soundblaster compatible card but I still get no sound.
I have built the same thing into the kernel on my own
machine and everything works fine. But not hers.
I tried sending a .wav file to the card using:
cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp
and am told that there is no such device or address.
I checked the /dev directory and dsp is there with
the 666 permissions.
Does anyone have an idea what may be going on here?
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:16:42 GMT
On 16 Jan 1999 20:20:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>>I really do not see the big deal with rebooting a'la CTRL-ALT-DEL even if
>>>I have to do once a day! I always save my data automatically. The worst
>>>that will happen is that I'll lose 5 minutes of work! big deal !!!
>>>I think the crashes things is over sold and is getting old and boring
>>>to tell you the truth.
>This is why Billy G can continue to build 'trash' that passes as an OS.
>His users don't care if they buy an inferior product. They don't care if
>they're getting ripped off.
I think the poster's point is that the stability issue is somewhat
overblown. If windows was as_bad_as_COLA folks say, it would have
never managed the saturation it has. I haven't had NT crash in so long
I can't remember. Win95 I don't use for much of anything, but I do
know many who use it for the usual email, browsing and games who have
little to no trouble. In other words if you're arguing to someone who
never has stability problems with windows the argument would get old.
Is it as stable as MS marketing claims? Of course not. I wish they
would put the money where their mouth is. Maybe if nothing else Linux
will help Windows improve. It's time they (MS) had some competition.
>>>is there nothing new the Unix/Linux crowds can say other than this????????
>
>Isn't it enough? What an idiot!
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From: Michael J. Waddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux on a 286?
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:02:38 -0600
I currently have Red Hat 5.1 running on a pentium -- a friend of mine has a 286
that he is willing to give me. I know that the minimum system requirements for
red hat are 386 -- is there any way to put linux on a 286? Or if not, are
there any other os's that would work on a 286 (such as minix?) that would
interface well with my linuxboxes (so that I can add it to my linux LAN)?
Thank you for your time
Mike
--
Michael J. Waddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
URL = http://www.uwm.edu/~ndell/
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is
invisible to the eye." -Saint-Exupery
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: This is Linux, not Windows, so why not superior flexibility AND
idiot-friendly?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 Jan 1999 21:03:26 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro) writes:
> >: So true - what you use is what you like. A foreign graduate student here
> >: was all frustrated with windows because he was used to UNIX and coudn't
> >: figure out how to grep in windows.
> >
> >*CAN* you grep in windows?
>
> Damn it, folks, it's getting ridiculuos. *Writing* grep from scratch takes
> less than week. All you need is read(), write(), open() and close(). Oh,
> malloc()/free() are useful too. Grep is a trivial program, no black
> magic there.
ok, *you* write the regexp parser then. ;-)
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Pavlos Parissis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: errors after make menuconfig
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:11:46 +0200
Hi,
I tried to compile my kernel (2.0.35) as a result I gave make menuconfig
but the following messages appeared :
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts/lxdialog all
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.0.35/scripts/lxdialog'
gcc -O2 -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -DLOCALE -DCURSES_LOC="<curses.h>"
-c lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o
In file included from lxdialog.c:22:
dialog.h:29: curses.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.0.35/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
The make config and make xconfig work well without problems. I noticed
in the messages that I don�t have curses.h file so I looked for it in
rpms but I didn�t find anything.
I would be grateful if someone could tell me what I have to do in order
to solve this problem.
Pavlos
--
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I love having the feeling of being in control
while i have the sensation of speed
The surfer of life
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