Linux-Misc Digest #674, Volume #18 Mon, 18 Jan 99 05:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (brian moore)
Re: PPP logging frames! Why? (Bill Unruh)
What time is it? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Nedit for w95 ("Alvaro A. Novo")
Re: Using SB AWE32 card with 2.2.0-pre7 (Warren Young)
Unable to open an initial console ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can this modem be driven with Linux? ("David G. Bell")
Re: SpreadSheets (Gary Momarison)
Re: Kernel Name ("Damien Wilson")
HP DeskJet/HP JetDirect/SuSE53 printing question... (Doug Forman)
Re: FoxPro for SCO UNIX & linux
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Peter F. Curran)
Re: Incompatibility with header files net/if.h and linux/netdevice.h (Villy Kruse)
Re: What time is it? (Staffan H�m�l�)
Re: lilo stalls at LI ! (Peter F. Curran)
login ignores shadow ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: lilo stalls at LI ! (Johan Johansson)
Re: Linux compatiblity with Colorado tape drives. (John Thompson)
Re: Share netscape 4.5 files between linux and nt4 ("Jesus M. Salvo Jr.")
Re: win95/linux (Phil Edwards)
Re: My partition choice (Floyd Davidson)
Re: How can I use vesablank to shut off my monitor from X? (Rob Mahurin)
Re: My partition choice (Floyd Davidson)
Samba -StarOffice ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 18 Jan 1999 05:45:36 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:52:12 -0500,
Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(please trim quoted material.)
>
> You're right, my experiences do not invalidate yours. But, my
> experiences with NT are not unique at all. If they were, then we
> would've counseled our client on the alternatives (they use large HP-UX
> servers for the main system and NT servers and workstations for
> backoffice/frontdesk systems-I've been onsite in several states and have
> yet to see a single NT problem).
I thought they were doing development? Hard to do Windows development
on Unix.
> You're a lucky guy. If all of my machines crashed that often, I'd be
> out of a job. Hell, I caught grief because one of my servers had to be
> rebooted once a month for awhile.
Why do you say I'm lucky? The Windows machines Ain't My Problem. Oh, I
guess that's why.
-My- machines don't crash. 'tis why I get paid what I do. (294 day
uptime, though I'll have to reboot one of 'em at some point to add some
RAM. Would be better, but we had a 6 hour power outage that outlasted
the UPS by about 5 minutes. Poop.)
(Ah, the joy of having 'Unix' in your job title. :))
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: PPP logging frames! Why?
Date: 18 Jan 1999 07:24:12 GMT
In <77u30f$ju7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chuck Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I just upgraded to Netscape 4.5 and now it seems all tcp/ip frames are
>being logged to my var/log/messages file! It seems as if PPPD is running
>with the debug option but I'm not invoking it with that option.
Sounds like kdebug, not debug. Look in the /etc/ppp/options file.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: What time is it?
Date: 18 Jan 1999 07:17:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am stumped, running RH5.2, upgraded from RH5.1, the time is wrong. I
can reset the time fine, then when I reboot, changes didn't take effect.
Any help would be appreciated. (last time I booted into win98, time
was ok.) Oh, fujitsu Lifebook if that matters. Thanks all.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: "Alvaro A. Novo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Nedit for w95
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:39:20 -0600
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, William Boyle wrote:
> Could you tell me how you got NEdit for Win 95/NT? I cannot find an NT
> build in the fnal ftp site (ftp.fnal.gov/pub/nedit). TIA.
>
> -Bill Boyle ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
Follow this link:
http://www-pat.fnal.gov/nirvana/nedit.html
and then click on
Max Volken's souped up NEdit (incl. Windows/NT version)
Alvaro
> Antoni Zochowski wrote:
> >
> > Could someone tell me, how to make Nedit for W95 to work with
> > MI/X free Xwindows server ? The available package is configured
> > for Exceed, but there is mention of running it also under
> > MI/X. The MI/X alone works fine.
> > Thanks
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Alvaro A. Novo
2116 S. Orchard St., #304
Urbana, IL 61801
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~novo/Alvaro.htm
217-337-4893
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From: Warren Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Using SB AWE32 card with 2.2.0-pre7
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:45:32 -0700
Stephen Anthony wrote:
> The problem with ALSA is that it does not support my MIDI chip, and OSS/Linux only
> works for 10 minutes! Other than those limitations, they work fine. Under 2.0.36,
> everything worked fine with the kernal-provided OSS/Free drivers. How can I make
> them work again (with 2.2.0-pre7)?
I have an AWE32 that as I type has been playing MIDI continuously for
probably half an hour on 2.2.0-pre7. I personally set my IRQ's with
Creative's CTCM utility in DOS (my machine boots to DOS, runs a batch
file and then uses loadlin to boot into DOS -- much easier than
isapnp). Still, I don't see what your problem could be. Have you tried
using the "playmidi" program with the -a (AWE32) flag? It's really nice
with -r as well, if you like to watch the instrument list as the MIDI
plays!
--
= Warren -- http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/
= ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m
=
= Acid rain dissolves styrofoam.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Unable to open an initial console
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 05:59:31 GMT
I�m an absolut newbie to Linux. And i need your Help.
While booting, i got the following message:
>Partition Check hda1 hda2 <......>
>VFS: Mounted root (ext2FileSystem) readonly
>Unable to open an initial console
then the ssystem freezes.
Can anybody tell me what happend here?
Before, I deleted a NTFS Partition (1GB) and made 2 new NTFS Partitions
(80MB & 920MB)
Maybe I shot my linux Partitions while deleting th NTFS Partition.
Help & Thanx in advance
Micha
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("David G. Bell")
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can this modem be driven with Linux?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 99 22:31:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Chris Wilson" writes:
> Richard Jones wrote:
> [...]
> > [1] \WINDOWS\TSAD.DLL, and if anyone knows how
> > to recover this DLL without a complete reinstall,
> > I would be eternally grateful ...
> Sssh. You didn't hear this from me..
> Try "EXTRACT /Y /A /L $WINDIR$ PRECOPY1.CAB TSAD.DLL" from the win95 dir
> on your CD (or equivalent CAB file dir).
> Not sure about $WINDIR$, you might have to type it in yourself. ;-)
Thanks for that info. Since I don't have tsad.dll in any of the .cab
files on my Win95 CD, it sounds as if it may be an addition to later
versions. But I've noted the command syntax.
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SpreadSheets
Date: 17 Jan 1999 17:09:03 -0800
Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Are there any Spreadsheet programs out there for Linux?
Very many of a wide range of quality. Find some here:
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/science-and-math.html
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/software.html (List of SW sites.)
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: "Damien Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel Name
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:36:22 +1030
Troy Davidson wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I am setting up LOADLIN and I need to make a copy of my kernel to put on
>my DOS partition. I am wondering, how do I figure out what kernel I
>have? I am using RH 5.2 if that helps out.
>
If you are using the standard installation of RH5.2 you should have kernel
2.0.36
Hope this helps
Damien Wilson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Forman)
Subject: HP DeskJet/HP JetDirect/SuSE53 printing question...
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 00:20:15 -0800
I'm using SuSE 5.3 (with apsfilter) and a HP OfficeJet 350.
When I connect the OfficeJet to the SuSE computer via parallel cable, and
use the 'deskjet' driver for apsfilter/gs it seems to work perfectly.
When I connect the OfficeJet to a HP JetDirectEX which is configured as a
TCP/IP device on my home network, after making the rm= and rp= changes in
/etc/printcap, now the OfficeJet prints raw postscript (whether I use the
'text' or 'raw' built-in queues in the JetDirect).
My printcap file contents is pasted below, any help will be appreciated!
Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
### BEGIN apsfilter: ### deskjet letter mono 300 ###
# Warning: Configured for apsfilter, do not edit the labels!
# apsfilter setup Sun Jan 17 10:28:23 PST 1999
#
ascii|lp1|deskjet-letter-ascii-mono-300|deskjet letter ascii mono 300:\
:lp=/dev/null:\
:rm=officejet.incline.com:rp=text:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-ascii-mono-300:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-ascii-mono-300/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-ascii-mono-300/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/deskjet-letter-ascii-mono-300:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:sh:
#
lp|auto|lp2|deskjet-letter-auto-mono-300|deskjet letter auto mono 300:\
:lp=/dev/null:\
:rm=officejet.incline.com:rp=raw:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-auto-mono-300:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-auto-mono-300/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-auto-mono-300/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/deskjet-letter-auto-mono-300:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:sh:
#
raw|lp3|deskjet-letter-raw|deskjet letter raw:\
:lp=/dev/null:\
:rm=officejet.incline.com:rp=raw:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-raw:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-raw/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/deskjet-letter-raw/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/deskjet-letter-raw:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:sh:
#
### END apsfilter: ### deskjet letter mono 300 ###
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: FoxPro for SCO UNIX & linux
Date: 18 Jan 1999 08:30:27 GMT
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:09:23 GMT, Max Jerome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Make sure you have ibcs loaded first.
>
>
>Have you got it to install yet?, If not, you have to run the manual
>install like it says in the readme on disk 1 and change the floppy
yeah, manual install works fine for me, and i get terminfo right too (by
my mind)..
but foxpro gives me SIGFAULT & gives up :(
>drive to fd0. If you have it installed and its saying it cant find
>something, you need to edit the file foxpro (something is pointing to
>the wrong place I think). If you have it installed and its not working
i make symbolic link /usr/lib/terminfo (?? don't remember exactly) ->
/usr/share/terminfo
then i get no errors about something missing
>(giving you some useless error message) You need to set the foxterm
>var to scoansi, this will get foxpro in black and white.
#######
i think, this may help, anyway, vt100 etc. don't work :(
>If you get this far, you're doing good, I have a terminfo that works
>in color sort of, let me know and I'll email it to you. If you need
>more help getting it working to this point let me know too.
if you can, send me walkthrou - i'm very happy then :))
my @ is al at saba point jrnl point ut point ee
lotsa thanx & sorry by my language, English is not my native ;)
al
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter F. Curran)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 18 Jan 1999 06:14:26 GMT
In article <77ub3i$bq9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Joe Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Unfortunately, MS has, in the past, required OEM's to sell PC's with Windows
>installed. Don't ask me why. I don't believe that is the case anymore. My
>company will go either way depending on what the customer wants.
>
>Joe
>
I understood that they gave a large discount to OEMs if they would agree
to bundle the OS along with -every- machine. If you asked for a machine
without MS, you might get one delivered, but MS got it's profits on that sale.
The cost was either transparently passed on to the consumer, or the OEM
ate the loss.
>A. van Dijk wrote in message ...
>>On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:11:12 GMT, nic wrote:
>>>Has any-one ever tried to buy a PC without windoze on it?
>>>franzl
>>
>>Yes it was a Tulip 8086 XT :-)
>>But seriuously I actually bought a windows free PC recently.
>>
>>--
>>A. van Dijk Dit is een saaie sig.
>>mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a boring sig.
>>icq : 4249631
>
>
--
Peter F Curran
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
dough knot male: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Use address in Organization line, finger
for PGP key. Antispaam test in progress.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Incompatibility with header files net/if.h and linux/netdevice.h
Date: 18 Jan 1999 09:27:25 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I recently installed RedHat 5.2, and tried to compile dhcpcd-0.70, which
>failed due to header file conflicts.
Any good reason to do so when redhat comes with exactly that version?
Anyway, start from the package in SRPMS. This will include all the patch
files required to solve your problem.
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Staffan H�m�l�)
Subject: Re: What time is it?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:39:47 GMT
On 18 Jan 1999 07:17:08 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson) wrote:
>I am stumped, running RH5.2, upgraded from RH5.1, the time is wrong. I
>can reset the time fine, then when I reboot, changes didn't take effect.
>Any help would be appreciated. (last time I booted into win98, time
>was ok.) Oh, fujitsu Lifebook if that matters. Thanks all.
Wrong timezone perhaps?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter F. Curran)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: lilo stalls at LI !
Date: 18 Jan 1999 04:24:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> hey y'all-
>
> so I am still having this problem. thank you for your suggestions.
>too bad they didn't change any thing.
> basically no matter what I do lilo stalls while trying to boot off of
>the MBR at LI.
Most of the time, problems like this are caused by trying to boot off
a partition that ends beyond the 1024 cylinder mark on the HD. It may
work for the first install, but as more of the disk fills up, new kernels can
end up beyond the boundary. Enabling LBA makes it harder for this
to happen, but it still can. If you have a dual boot system, and the MS
partition is first, consider using loadlin instead of lilo.
You should post a copy of your fdisk output.
--
Peter F Curran
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
dough knot male: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Use address in Organization line, finger
for PGP key. Antispaam test in progress.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: login ignores shadow
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:46:09 GMT
All of a sudden (i.e. without doing any nasty configuration or restarting the
system) a SuSe linux 5.2 box changed behaviour as follows: login (console and
telnet) does not check /etc/shadow but /etc/passwd (Fortunately, there was
still an active console login as root) pop3, ftp, su, and others *do* still
check /etc/shadow The passwd command modifies /etc/passwd instead of
/etc/shadow Rebooting did not change the situation (fortunately, I placed
root's password in /etc/passwd in the mean time).
How could this have happened??
Hagen von Eitzen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johan Johansson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: lilo stalls at LI !
Date: 18 Jan 1999 09:16:45 GMT
Hi
I have had the same problem. I made a small patition for the /boot
directory (about 5 mb) and then the other directorys on a big partition.
(thats no matter, i think.) I dont know if that will solve your problem,
beacause i did it on a Redhat 5.1 system. Ande the Pc was a 486 Dx33. This
is a must if you want to use large disks on a 486 system that limited to
528 mb disks (1024 cylinders). but you can still try this, cause i think
you are pretty desperate ?
/Johan
www.johan.johansson.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thompson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.abbs,comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux compatiblity with Colorado tape drives.
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:36:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Patrick D. Rockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>I'm planning to set up a multi platform system with Dos 6.22, Windows
>95, OS2 Warp, and Linux. I
>have a T1000 tape drive, but I'm planning to get a Colorado 4/8 Gb tape
>drive (part number C4386B). I
>know that Dos and Windows 95 work with it. What about Linux? Is there a
>Linux driver which will
>work with the tape drive that I'm planning to get? Is there a drive
>which will work with all four OS's?
>
>In particular, I'm planning to get Redhat Linux, but if there is another
>better Linux out there which will
>work with the Colorado 4/8 Gb tape drive, please let me know.
Supposedly floppy-based tape drives will work in linux with the
ftape support but I had trouble getting my Jumbo 350 to function
in linux. I had a FC-20 accelerator card installed which may
have contributed to the problem, even though I tried all the
suggestions for enabling accelerator card support with ftape. I
ended up getting SCSI drive which works quite nicely. YMMV.
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Jesus M. Salvo Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: netscape.public.general
Subject: Re: Share netscape 4.5 files between linux and nt4
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:47:20 +1100
I'll give soft links a try, when I can find the Communicator menu (it's
missing!!!). See my other posts.
Hans Wolters wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:05:53 +1100, "Jesus M. Salvo Jr."
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >I have netscape 4.5 installed both on nt4 and linux on a single machine.
> > >I would like to be able to use netscape on either os and use and
> > >maintain the same inbox, newsgroup settings, downloaded newsgroup
> > >messages, bookmarks, etc.....
> >
> Sorry for responding a item later but my newsserver expired all a few
> days ago.
>
> When I installed netscape for Linux I just copied the mail files from
> windows to the linux version. This worked well. Netscape Linux indexed
> the files and I can even open my binairies. Like Eggert wrote it might
> help if you make a link to them in the prefs.
>
> Regards Hans
>
> --
> Java Search Engine Front End
> http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/
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From: Phil Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: win95/linux
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:36:10 +0000
Butch wrote:
>
> Okay, I had to reinstall red hat because I was getting a lot of swap space
> errors. I think I set everything up right this time, because I'm not getting
> network errors. I actually got the nic installed right. But I'm still not
> getting the 95 box. I tried to ping it but when I ran the ping it just hung
> up. Can anyone exlpain why this would happen? Also, this may be the wrong
> place for it, but I can't add the route of the linux box from the 95 box...
> any comments?
>
> -- Roger W Dickey, Jr --
I've got a similar problem. Whenever I try to telnet to my Linux
machine, dial-up networking rears its ugly head. I can't find a way to
convince Win95 that anything for the 192.168.1.0 subnet should go out
through the NIC. I'm working on it, and I'll let you know!
--
Phil Edwards
Technical Specialist
=====================================================================
Travellog Systems Phone +44 (0)1444 459016
The Priory, Haywards Heath Fax +44 (0)1444 456655
West Sussex, RH16 3LB
United Kingdom http://www.travellog.co.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My partition choice
Date: 18 Jan 1999 07:55:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>that unless your machine is a heavily loaded server or you are doing
>>>some sort of fantastically RAM-intensive task (i.e. graphics
>>>processing on 100 MB bitmaps) you're unlikely to need that much swap.
>>
>>Not true. All you need is a simple scanner and then do a few
>>common things. I ran up 300Mb of virtual memory use at once by
>>rotating a scanned image...
>
>Er, the *example* I gave of very memory-intensive work was bitmapped
>graphics.
Er, nobody needs to find a **100Mb** bitmap to do that. Scanning
black and white documents (about the simplest task one can do with
a scanner) is sufficient.
>>>For an example, this 48 MB Linux box, running notorious RAM hog
>>>Netscape Navigator plus innd plus a proxy server plus various other
>>>stuff, has done NO swapping since I booted it. I've never managed to
>>>use more than 12 MB of RAM since I got it set up.
>>
>>How did you determine that?
>
>Top.
>
>>Given that X itself will use about
>>that much memory, and so will Netscape, and that XEmacs uses even
>>more... your 12Mb figure doesn't ring true.
>
>That's because it's a typo. I meant to write that I never use more
>than 12 megs of *swap*, not RAM.
So the largest amount of virtual memory you have ever needed was
60Mb. Which is very modest and is quite possible if you restrict
yourself to applications that don't use much memory. Or if you
don't run more than one of them at a time.
But it is also not uncommon for users to want to do things
that you describe as a "sort of fantastically RAM-intensive task".
Actually most users probably do that kind of thing now and then!
It happens when they do word processing as well as when they do
image editing, not to mention that web browsing is pretty much
something everyone does (with that "notorious RAM hog" Netscape).
It makes very good sense, given the cheap cost of hard disk these
days, to have far more swap space than anybody *normally* uses, just
to prevent a crash when the *abnormal* use does happen.
The amount of RAM should be sized to what is "normal", and swap
should be sized to provide enough virtual memory for the abnormal.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: Rob Mahurin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How can I use vesablank to shut off my monitor from X?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:06:53 +0000
Reply-To: robmATmad.scientist.com
Michael Meissner wrote:
>
> Rob Mahurin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Trying to use "xset +dpms" doesn't work; apparently that uses a
> > different protocol. "xset dpms force standby|suspend|off" all blank my
> > screen, but make a rather frightening intermittent buzz somewhere in the
> > innards of my monitor.
>
> Many, but not all of the Xservers support the option power_saver in the device
> section. You would need to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config file. For example,
> my device section looks like:
>
> Section "Device"
> <stuff>
> option "power_saver"
> EndSection
I don't think that that was my problem, for a couple of reasons.
First, I got the screen to power down (it had to be blanked before the
dpms requests would take hold; see my other reply to myself in this
thread), and when I checked my XF86Config, it had no power_saver option
in it. I added it and started another xserver, and
02:27 $ xset dpms 10 15 20 s blank s 5
02:28 $ xset dpms 10 15 20 s blank s 25
both did exactly the same thing as before: the first one blanked, then
powered each cycle down correctly, while the second went through three
levels of buzzing and then powered down. From the docs that I read, it
sounded like the power_save option is more for letting the blank itself
be a powerdown state
Second (and I just found this by accident tonight):
02:44 $ X --help
Unrecognized option: --help
use: X [:<display>] [option]
<half a screen of options>
dpms enables VESA DPMS monitor control
-dpms disables VESA DPMS monitor control
<three screens of options>
That option doesn't pass through startx and if I start X naked (X
[-]dpms :1 & xterm -display :1) then it seems to have the same effect as
having started X and xset [-]dpms. It does, however, seem to imply that
I was wrong about dpms being a different protocol from VESA. I'll
repeat here my question from my other post: why doesn't dpms blank the
screen? Is that a problem that's specific to my hardware? A bug? A
feature? Does anybody know? Now that I've fixed my original problem,
does it still even matter (as I seem to be the only person on the planet
to have run through this sequence of difficulties) ?
Thanks
Rob
--
Sigmund Freud is alleged to have said that in the last analysis the
entire field
of psychology may reduce to biological electrochemistry.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My partition choice
Date: 18 Jan 1999 08:10:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
DaZZa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 17 Jan 1999, Ilya wrote:
>
>> Thanks for clarifying - the machine will have 256MB of RAM eventually, and
>> 128MB when I get it. I guess I will have to have several swap partitions.
>> I am interested in a server-type machine. I don't know exactly what I will
>> be doing with it, but it is conceivable I might end up doing RAM-intensive
>> work.
>
>As a general rule of thumb, swap space should be approximately twice your
>physical memory.
That is a very poor rule of thumb. (Actually it did have some
validity years ago, before paging and when there was a limited
virtual address space per process.)
Consider a system with 32Mb of RAM and a system with
128Mb of RAM. They both have the potential to need exactly the
same amount of virtual memory. If the 128Mb machine *needs*
256Mb of swap, giving it a total of 384Mb of virtual memory,
then the 32Mb machine needs 352Mb of swap to have that same
amount of virtual memory. That is a 2:1 ratio for the first
instance and more than 10:1 for the second. As the size of
RAM is reduced the size of swap should be *increased*.
The ratio of RAM to swap has no meaning at all and is not a
valid basis for sizing either RAM or swap space.
Size the RAM for the common day in and day out amount of memory
the system uses. Size the swap to be large enough to provide
virtual memory for the largest possible use that will ever
occur.
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pictures of the North Slope at <http://www.ptialaska.net/~floyd>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Samba -StarOffice
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:42:20 GMT
Hi!
I've just finished my first installation of Linux (Redhat 5.1), and I
like it, although i feel like a baby penguin taking it's first
insecure steps on drifting ice-flakes.
I have two questions (! - not more than 2 ? *Shure but they'll come
later*)
1. Where can i find info on how to implement Samba? (This is very
important to me, cause i work in a very MS-Infested place)
2. Anybody knows how to obtain the free StarOffice package?
Thnx in advance
AceBone
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