Linux-Misc Digest #674, Volume #21                Sun, 5 Sep 99 00:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Gnome Panel Free Positioning? (Jason Bond)
  Recommend .html editor/publisher? ("Christopher R. Carlen")
  Re: pause/sleep command (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: pause/sleep command (Mladen Gavrilovic)
  Re: Problems with glib (Paul Kimoto)
  Where to get different gnome applets? (Jason Bond)
  Wrong time setup? (Jack Zhu)
  Re: Best Linux Distro? / Best GUI? ("GC")
  Re: Bash not running executables (Scott Prince)
  Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Kai Henningsen)
  Problems with glib ("Makhno")
  Re: Wrong time setup? (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: pause/sleep command ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Help!  I screwed up fstab kernel panics ("Tom Baldridge")
  Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat??? ("Scott Simpson")
  Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: bypassing fsck (Bob Martin)
  wu-ftp problem (andy qi)
  Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ("Paul E. Bell")
  Quota problems on a new disk (Jesse Pavel)
  Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape (B'ichela)

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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gnome Panel Free Positioning?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:36:24 -0700

Does anyone out there know if it is possible to place
the gnome panel anywhere on the desktop?  From
what I've seen, the only places it lets you put it
are in the top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right.
Thanks much in advance,

  Jason


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From: "Christopher R. Carlen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Recommend .html editor/publisher?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:23:52 -0400

I want to make simple web pages, with text, insetted .gifs and .jpgs,
and links and bookmarks.

Nothing fancy.  Yes, I can understand the html syntax, enough to modify
the source from an editor, but I don't want to learn html.  I just want
to make my www pages.  

Right now I'm using Corel Word Perfect 7.  It sucks the big fat wand as
an html publisher.  When I import a .gif or .jpg graphic into WP, it
doesn't successfully save it to the directory where it stores images. 
And, I can't tell it not to do that.  So I have to go into the .html and
fix the image source references.  I have been very disappointed in WP7
for a lot of reasons.  This is yet another.

I need something that works, and with a non-programmer interface (GUI
preferred).  I want it to be like a word processor.  Just type in text,
set the font attribute, import a graphic, and poof, out comes the .html

Thanks.
-- 
_____________________________
Christopher R. Carlen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
My OS is Linux 2.0.29

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: pause/sleep command
Date: 4 Sep 1999 21:31:35 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mladen Gavrilovic wrote:
> I've been making scripts, and I need to make the system pause for a
> second or so between commands.  Is there a way to do this?  I'm looking
> for something equivalent to "SLEEP 1" in BASIC, or something like that. 

Have you looked at "sleep"?  It is documented in the sh-utils info pages.

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: Mladen Gavrilovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: pause/sleep command
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:46:00 -0400

Hehe, whoops :)

got it.

Thanks,

Mladen

Paul Kimoto wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mladen Gavrilovic wrote:
> > I've been making scripts, and I need to make the system pause for a
> > second or so between commands.  Is there a way to do this?  I'm looking
> > for something equivalent to "SLEEP 1" in BASIC, or something like that.
> 
> Have you looked at "sleep"?  It is documented in the sh-utils info pages.
> 
> --
> Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Problems with glib
Date: 4 Sep 1999 21:36:12 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <7qsca2$84o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Makhno wrote:
> Unfortuanately, I can't seem to install glib 1.2.4 (I've always had this
> problem before with RedHat).
> I do './configure', 'make' then 'make' install and its just not installing
> propelly. Its supposed to put a script into /bin, but it doesn't.

Did you _ask_ it to put it there (using "./configure --prefix=/", I
suppose)?  What is wrong with using "--prefix=/usr" or
"--prefix=/usr/local" (the default), by the way?

> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
> *** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
> *** that the run-time linker is not finding GLIB or finding the wrong
> *** version of GLIB. If it is not finding GLIB, you'll need to set your
> *** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or edit /etc/ld.so.conf to point
> *** to the installed location  Also, make sure you have run ldconfig if that
> *** is required on your system
>
> Any idea what's going on, and how I can fix it?

The message is telling you that probably the runtime linker is not finding
libglib-1.2.so.0.0.4 (or a file similarly named).  (Where did you put it?)

Yes, Linux is a system on which you must run "ldconfig".

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where to get different gnome applets?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:56:34 -0700

Where are there places to download cool applets for
the gnome panel?  Thanks much,

  Jason


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From: Jack Zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Wrong time setup?
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:03:23 -0400

RH6.0

When I use the 'timetool' of GNOME to setup the system time and after
reboot, the time is worng!

For example, use 'time tool' to reset time to '8:15PM', after reboot the
time is changed to '4:15PM' or other time which is also wrong.

My PC dual boot with NT 4.0 svr and RH6.0, time setting in NT has no
such problem, the BIOS setting is also right.

Any idea? Thanks a lot!!


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From: "GC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Best Linux Distro? / Best GUI?
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 00:59:49 GMT

Ditto all...

-GC

Peter T. Breuer wrote in message <7qr240$eau$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Ocyrus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: Why do you dislike RH 6 ? Seems very easy to use and install. I have
never
>
>Huh! Seems. As an experienced sysadmin for many years, with dozens of
>installs of all major distros in every version, I can say that I have
>an abiding loathing of RH. Stupid idiotic bugs in their installs, and
>later, and obscurantist setups that you can't easily modify.  Not to
>mention a binary database.  I wouldn't allow it within 10ft of me (I
>think that was feet, not fathoms, but it's all the same :-) ...
>
>: had any problems with it.  But im still quite new, so i dont know what
the
>: limits of RH 6 have. I have tried Debian, Slackware, SuSE, and Caldera. I
>: always seem up back with RH.
>
>Personally, Slackware is my favorite. But until they go to glibc 2.1,
>there's no point. I.e. the first act would have to be to throw in 2.1
>plus development tools after installing. RH 6.0 did a good job of
>solving most of the major 2.1 problems (and leaving thousands of small
>ones to be sloved later) so we know how to do it. Debian also has
>partially solved the glibc 2.1 business, but is proceeding much more sanely
>and carefully with the binary replacements necessary. I would estimate
>about 30% of their packages are not yet in 2.1 binary format.
>
>I'd recommend SuSE or Caldera to a first-timer who's not interested in
>becoming techically literate. Not RH.
>
>Peter
>
>: I am interested to hear what you have to say.
>: --ocyrus
>: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>: news:7qmq6f$f9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>: > TNC wrote:
>: > >
>: > > Here's a little flamebait for you all.  What is the best distro and
GUI



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From: Scott Prince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bash not running executables
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:56:10 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Paul Kimoto wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Prince wrote:
> > the offending scripts are chmod 777

> Why do you give everyone who can access the computer the ability to
> (re)write these scripts?

Excellent question... There is no one who can access this particular
server except for my wife, and I guess I can trust her not to hack my
scripts, and, it's to easier to edit files from my Mac through Appletalk
than scoot the chair back and forth. I gave up on getting root access
with Appletalk a long time ago. Even so, at the end of the day I usually
experience an overwhelming need to fix the permissions anyway. You're
probably sorry you asked :)

Scott


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Date: 04 Sep 1999 14:06:00 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E. Bell)  wrote on 03.09.99 in 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> How does Linux (by the way, there has been a heated discussion here in
> comp.sys.amiga.misc about how Linux is pronounced, and how you pronounce
> your name, perhaps you could clear that up as well) handle interprocess

ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds or something like that.

Yes, it's a FAQ.

> communications, or is it even supported by the kernel?

It's a Unix clone. It does all the usual Unix IPC.

> Also, Amigans are used to being able to dynamically load and unload
> libraries, devices, drivers, etc., can Linux do this as well, or do

Of course.

> be a great OS for many people.  Surely it will be great for budding and
> amateur scientists, experimenters in Ham Radio and Computer Science, and

CS experimenters? Do they get source, or is this a definition of "CS  
experimenters" I'm not quite familiar with? :-)

> Whether either (Linux or QNX) can become a consumer OS remains to be
> seen.  I have a friend at work who is a staunch supporter of Linux, but
> freely admits that it is not the OS for first time computer users,
> Grandpa, or anyone else who just wants to turn on the computer, click on
> an icon, do their work (or play), quit and shut down.  I don't know that

Then again, *no* OS I know is. (MacOS probably comes closest, but even  
that has a long way to go to fit the above definition.)

The idea of using a computer without learning about it is, IMO, exactly as  
sound as the idea of driving a car without learning about it - except cars  
are not as complicated as computers.

> Win9x exactly fills that bill, either, what with all the rebooting,

BWAHAHAHAHA.

Win9x is *harder* than Linux (well, with any decent Linux distribution).  
Now WinNT might be closer.

I understand Linux. I understand NT. I write software for both. I don't  
understand how to get 9x stable. I don't know if even anyone at M$  
understands that; there's a reason they want to get everybody on NT.

> reloading, and reinstalling one has to do just to have a stable (I use
> the term loosly, very loosly) system.  It is certainly not as easy to
> install a program under Win9x as it is under AmigaDos, nor as easy to
> get rid of everything associated with that program.  I have not taken
> the Linux plunge, yet (need a better computer first), but, if things
> don't improve in the Amiga scene by next spring, I will probably do so.

Well, if you're interested in easy install and uninstall of programs, then  
when you do Linux, try Debian. That's what Debian is famous for. (Whereas  
the initial install is something that could be improved.)

Kai
-- 
http://www.westfalen.de/private/khms/
"... by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it."
  - Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: "Makhno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problems with glib
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 01:08:49 +0100

Having been away from linux for so long (recent harddrive re-shuffle and
busy with the BeOS) I've finally got around to reinstalling it. I decided to
try out SuSE 6.1
Unfortuanately, I can't seem to install glib 1.2.4 (I've always had this
problem before with RedHat).
I do './configure', 'make' then 'make' install and its just not installing
propelly. Its supposed to put a script into /bin, but it doesn't.
So I put it there manually, and I get this when I try to install GTK+ :

*** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
*** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
*** that the run-time linker is not finding GLIB or finding the wrong
*** version of GLIB. If it is not finding GLIB, you'll need to set your
*** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or edit /etc/ld.so.conf to point
*** to the installed location  Also, make sure you have run ldconfig if that
*** is required on your system

Any idea what's going on, and how I can fix it?





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Wrong time setup?
Date: 4 Sep 1999 21:30:10 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Zhu wrote:
> When I use the 'timetool' of GNOME to setup the system time and after
> reboot, the time is worng!
>
> For example, use 'time tool' to reset time to '8:15PM', after reboot the
> time is changed to '4:15PM' or other time which is also wrong.

This could occur because the system, when you boot, believes that your
hardware keeps the time in GMT [== UTC].  (This is the standard, correct
Unix convention.)

> My PC dual boot with NT 4.0 svr and RH6.0, time setting in NT has no
> such problem, the BIOS setting is also right.

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: pause/sleep command
Date: 5 Sep 1999 01:41:52 GMT

Mladen Gavrilovic wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been making scripts, and I need to make the system pause for a
> second or so between commands.  Is there a way to do this?  I'm looking
> for something equivalent to "SLEEP 1" in BASIC, or something like that.
> Preferably I'd like this to be available from the shell, but if it can
> be programmed in C that's also fine.

try: man sleep

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From: "Tom Baldridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help!  I screwed up fstab kernel panics
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:34:36 -0400

Help!

The message says it all.  I tried to reduce the size of an empty primary DOS
partition (using cfdisk) from 2 gig to about 100 megs and then used cfdisk
to partition the 1.9 gigs into several partitions of type Linux.  I did not
change the mount statement in the fstab, and this (I think/hope) is what's
causing the kernel panic.  During boot up, the following line :

sda: sda1  sda2< sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 sda9 sda10 sda11 sda 12>

appears, followed by 3 lines, all relating (I think) to the DOS partition.
The first begins starting with:
[MS-DOS FS Rel. 12,FAT 16,...

I get a line about Transaction Block Size = 524, then the line:

Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:05

The rescue disk I made before starting in with this foolishness  produces
read errors.

If it is the fstab file I need to fix, anybody have any ideas about how i
get to it?  I f you have any other suggestions, please let me know.

Thanks,

Tom Baldridge



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From: "Scott Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat???
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:37:37 -0700


Justin B Willoughby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7qs8tu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> You cant really `run` Linux off of a vfat partition unless you used UMDOS
> (sp?). One big reason for this is vfat does not support file permission
> like ext2 does. So unless you are using something like UMDOS you can't

Incorrect. See http://www.phatlinux.com. By the way, this distribution was
created and is maintained by two 15 year olds.

> ---- Jesus Is Lord ----

Incorrect again.





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: I WANT TO DITCH WINDOZE BUT I CANT!!!
Date: 4 Sep 1999 19:02:41 -0700

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
 
>> * A good Java IDE (Visual Cafe Pro or VisualAge for Java are among my 
>>favs)

>
>I believe there are some java IDEs for linux, though I haven't 
>tried them.
>

JBuilder for Linux is in beta now. I saw a demo at Linux world.
It will be officially out in 3-4 months from now. Written completely in
Java, supports JDK 1.2 also. looked good.

Bob
 


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From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: bypassing fsck
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 00:58:55 +0000

First, you should shutdown the system correctly with the shutdown
command and fsck will be skipped. Another way to do it is take it out of
fstab, then put your mount commands just like you would do manually, in
rc.local. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> How can I set things up so that certain partitions are never checked at
> boot time? (They are not written to, and several are normally not read
> from either. I just don't want to have to mount them by hand in the rare
> but occuring case that I need something from them, so they are in
> /etc/fstab.
> 
> By the way, for those partitions that I want checked, can I arrange fsck
> to run at shutdown time instead of boot time?
> 
> System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
> 
> --
> Replies please cc my email (since the Deja Tracker
> does not seem to work for me): [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> No spam please.
> 
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

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From: andy qi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: wu-ftp problem
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 03:06:15 GMT

I have redhat linux6.0 setup as a gateway to internet using IP
masquerade. www, ping, telnet all work fine. It does not let me ftp to
localhost using any valid login accout. The message shows as follow:

ftp localhost
connected to localhost
xyz.home.com FTP server (Version wu-2.4.2-VR17(1) ...) ready.
Name (localhost: bob):
331 Password required for bob:
Password: xxxxxx
530 Login incorrect.
Login failed.

I have the correct login (bob) and its password as a login user.
telnet localhost as bob works fine. Please help if anyone has ideas.
ftp from outside (gateway) and using different user name failed also.
This is the ftpaccess file:

class   all   real,guest,anonymous  *

email root@localhost

loginfails 5

readme  README*    login
readme  README*    cwd=*

message /welcome.msg            login
message .message                cwd=*

compress        yes             all
tar             yes             all
chmod           no              guest,anonymous
delete          no              guest,anonymous
overwrite       no              guest,anonymous
rename          no              guest,anonymous

log transfers anonymous,real inbound,outbound

shutdown /etc/shutmsg

guestuser *
realgroup *

passwd-check rfc822 warn


Regards,
-Andy Qi

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From: "Paul E. Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:07:03 -0500



Kai Henningsen wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E. Bell)  wrote on 03.09.99 in 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > How does Linux (by the way, there has been a heated discussion here in
> > comp.sys.amiga.misc about how Linux is pronounced, and how you pronounce
> > your name, perhaps you could clear that up as well) handle interprocess
> 
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds or something like that.
> 
> Yes, it's a FAQ.

>From this, I would say it sounds (in English) like "Leen'ooks" (ee as in
clean, oo as in book, with the accent on the first sylable).  Thanks,
now if I could get the guys at work to pronounce GIF as "jiff", rather
than "giff"... 

> > communications, or is it even supported by the kernel?
> 
> It's a Unix clone. It does all the usual Unix IPC.

But, it doesn't put the drivers, file systems, etc. compiled or merged
into the kernel in their own memory spaces (protected) and use IPC to
communicate with them, and clean up memory and restart them if they
crash, right?

> > Also, Amigans are used to being able to dynamically load and unload
> > libraries, devices, drivers, etc., can Linux do this as well, or do
> 
> Of course.

That's not what I've read here.  I have read here that one has to
compile a driver into the kernel, or have it merged into the kernel, in
order for it to work, and to remove such a driver requires a recompile
and/or reboot.  Since I have not tried it yet, I don't know from
experience, but if this is not the case, it would help make Linux more
palatable.

> > be a great OS for many people.  Surely it will be great for budding and
> > amateur scientists, experimenters in Ham Radio and Computer Science, and
> 
> CS experimenters? Do they get source, or is this a definition of "CS
> experimenters" I'm not quite familiar with? :-)

(QNX Neutrino) What source are you talking about?  Surely CS
experimenters who work under Windows (pick your flavor) don't have the
source to the OS, why would they need the source to QNX?  As for their
own works, I would hope they have the source, since they supposedly
wrote it.

> > Whether either (Linux or QNX) can become a consumer OS remains to be
> > seen.  I have a friend at work who is a staunch supporter of Linux, but
> > freely admits that it is not the OS for first time computer users,
> > Grandpa, or anyone else who just wants to turn on the computer, click on
> > an icon, do their work (or play), quit and shut down.  I don't know that
> 
> Then again, *no* OS I know is. (MacOS probably comes closest, but even
> that has a long way to go to fit the above definition.)
> 
> The idea of using a computer without learning about it is, IMO, exactly as
> sound as the idea of driving a car without learning about it - except cars
> are not as complicated as computers.

Well, the whole "convergeance" thing is supposedly to take computers and
make them as easy to use as TVs and VCRs.  I know, we all have seen the
odd consumer who can't run a TV or a VCR, or even a telephone, but
that't beside the point.  I don't know if that's necessarily a "good
thing", making computers so simple to use that the least intuitive
person can use one.  Some things that can interface to computers may be
good that simple, but computers themselves?  I don't think so.  Still,
even the PC/Windows/Intel/whatever industry seems to be toying with the
idea, if for no other reason than to reach the households who have not
broken down and bought a computer, yet.  Whether anyone will succeed
with this goal remains to be seen.

> > Win9x exactly fills that bill, either, what with all the rebooting,
> 
> BWAHAHAHAHA.
> 
> Win9x is *harder* than Linux (well, with any decent Linux distribution).
> Now WinNT might be closer.
> 
> I understand Linux. I understand NT. I write software for both. I don't
> understand how to get 9x stable. I don't know if even anyone at M$
> understands that; there's a reason they want to get everybody on NT.

I don't know that anyone at Microsoft even knows what the word "stable"
means, as I have seen several people here mention seeing ATMs running NT
with windows on the screen announcing that some GPF or other error had
occured.  I believe, from what I have read, and those whom I have talked
to, that Linux would be more stable than NT in such a situation, and
that QNX would be even more stable.

> > reloading, and reinstalling one has to do just to have a stable (I use
> > the term loosly, very loosly) system.  It is certainly not as easy to
> > install a program under Win9x as it is under AmigaDos, nor as easy to
> > get rid of everything associated with that program.  I have not taken
> > the Linux plunge, yet (need a better computer first), but, if things
> > don't improve in the Amiga scene by next spring, I will probably do so.
> 
> Well, if you're interested in easy install and uninstall of programs, then
> when you do Linux, try Debian. That's what Debian is famous for. (Whereas
> the initial install is something that could be improved.)

Well, I have seen several things recently, aparently Caldera has changed
their name, and there is a Linux distribution from some company called
"Mandrake" which claims to be an enhanced Red Hat 6.0, costs less than
Red Hat 6.0, but, from the weight, all the documentation is on the
CD-ROMs, whereas the Red Hat box felt like it had several hefty books
included.  This was at a local software store.
-- 
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From: Jesse Pavel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Quota problems on a new disk
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 23:15:13 -0400

Hi,
        I installed a new 17.2GB drive in my linux machine (kernel 2.0.35) and
have been having problems with setting disk quotas. I followed the
instructions in the mini-HOWTO (touch quota.user; chmod 600 quota.user;
modify /etc/fstab; reboot) and the system boots fine, and everything
appears to be all right; I can even run edquota to set the user quotas.
However, when I run repquota on the new partition, it goes into an
uninterruptable sleep (as reported by ps) and hangs--I can't kill it
with kill -9. After that happens, anything involving quotas on that
partition hangs into the uninterruptable sleep.
        I have another partition with which I have been using quotas
successfully for a long time; only this new partition (4GB) is giving me
problems.
        Does anyone have an idea, or experience with this sort of problem?

I appreciate any help very much,
Jesse Pavel
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From: B'ichela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 19:04:34 -0400

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Cooper wrote:

> B'ichela wrote:
> > 
> >         As anyone with only 20MB of ram can tell you, running netscape
> > 4.xx on a loaded system is UgLY! swap space gets used and we all know
> > about the Netscape 4.xx Java crunch. Looking on linuxberg, my local
> > mirror is http://downcity.linuxberg.com There is two versions of
> > netscape 3.04 online. the standard and netscape-GOLD. neither comes in
> > Glibc2 versions however if you want a simple non-hogging netscape that
> > is simpler to use. grab em! This netscape works fine on my system ever
> > shrunk down to 320x200!  Netscape 4.08 does Not work that well on
> > small scrreens. Also its user interface in my opinion reminds me of
> > netscape on my Windows 3.1 system (it should, its the same version!)
> > and set up is a snap. the Netscape bin file is the following size
> > 
> >    text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
> > 4163865  762912   57868 4984645  4c0f45 /usr/local/netscape2/netscape
> > Compare that with Netscape 4.08
> > 
> >    text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
> > 9138573 1008604  279320 10426497         9f1881 /usr/local/netscape/netscape
> > 
> > It also appears that this earlier netscape does not have the java
> > glitch as far as I can see.
> >         Plus Netscape 3.04 starts up Immediatly! No long waits. I
> > ditched Netscape 4.61 recently and switched to 4.08. Now I am
> > considering wiping out netscape 4.08 and just use netscape 3.04!
> >         Oh yes, the Netscape 3.04 is Netscape gold, the othe ris
> > Netscape Communicator 4.08 in the above examples.
> >         I am placing them on my FTP site which is open from 10pm to
> > 6am 7 days a week Eastern Standard Time. ftp://pinkrose.dhis.org
> > look in the /pub/DLOAD for
> > either one. Both are the Libc5 ONLY versions. these are the Export
> > netscapes. for the strong encryption versions. you are on your own ad
> > I don't use the domestic only versions here.
> 
> *NEWSFLASH*
> 
> Since you and probably some others aren't aware of this, Netscape
> themselves have put a server up with all their old releases right here:
> 
> ftp://archive:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/archive/index.html
> 
> The page, on this side of the atlantic, was slow as dirt but I can tell
> you that *ALL* versions of netscape from version 3 and up are definately
> there, and probably the ones that came before them aswell.
> Tell me, did any of you ever browse the internet with Netscape 1? It
> should be up there somewhere. No Java though. Frames? Questionable.
> Style sheets? What the f... are those? Hehehe. Nice to look at what you
> had and what you now have. Gives you a chance to see if what you lost
> was worth what you got in return.
        Thanks for the tip! I will add it to my bookmarks file right now
reguarding this old netscape sources

                A pearl of wisdom from the y2K newsgroups:
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Y2K appears to be the Baby Boomers mid-life crisis, and it has the
potential to be a dandy.
                        -- Anonymnous --
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                        B'ichela
                        N O T E
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