Linux-Misc Digest #693, Volume #18 Tue, 19 Jan 99 15:13:15 EST
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Kinkster)
Re: Installing Apps ("Matt Penfold")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Olaf Walkowiak)
Re: [ newsgroups and moderation ] (Gary Momarison)
Re: cfdisk problem. help!! (Gary Momarison)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Dan Gray)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Arthur)
Re: Did Schmalensee write his written testimony? (Marco Anglesio)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Marco Anglesio)
Re: FTP Server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) (Steve Dunham)
Re: iomega atapi zip under RH5.2 (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: Can this modem be driven with Linux? (Peter Calder)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:12:44 GMT
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:01:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
wrote:
>On 18 Jan 1999 18:24:27 +0100, David Kastrup
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
>all with this bit of wisdom:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:30:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stephen)
>>> chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>>>
>>> >Also, ZDNet's Charles Cooper says Boies is much more effective than
>>> >his
>>> >opponents from Sullivan & Cromwell.
>>>
>>> And what is it that makes his opinion so important?
>>>
>>> > (Of course, they have the
>>> >disadvantage
>>> >of having a guilty client. :-)
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware that the trial was over. Of course even after Microsoft
>>> is cleared of all charges you will, doubtless, still consider them
>>> guilty.
>>
>>Anybody that has not by now noticed that they are playing the part of
>>a real messy, ugly and mean bully using all sorts of dirty tricks in
>>order to smash their opponents in the software industry with a
>>vengeance while not just relying on the renowned high quality of their
>>products should have his head examined.
>
>Anybody who hasn't noticed that's how big business is done everywhere
>needs to get out more. Microsoft wasn't as nice to their competitors
>as they could have been. BFD! Who is?
The line "everyone else does it" won't get you far in a court of law ,
especially WRT to IE and Win98 integration and other m$ practices. Try
holding up a liquor store and come across the judge and/or jury with
that line.
>>
>>They are clearly guilty of that
>
>So is everyone else you can name.
m$ _crossed_ the line when the integrated the browser and OS out of
their paranoia of what applications running on NS could do to Windows.
>
>>, and the outcome of the trial does not
>>change it one bit. Whether they are more guilty of it than several of
>>its important opponents would be a different question. It is my
>>opinion that they are, but there might be different opinions.
>>
>>It is not the purpose of the trial to figure out about either of this.
>>It *is* the purpose of the trial if their actions have not only been
>>loathsome, but illegal according to the laws of the United States.
>>This, of course, is a matter for which opinion polls cannot provide an
>>answer.
>
>Well, except for the loathsome remark, we agree on this much.
>>
>>For this reason, Microsoft tries to make up all sorts of fantastic
>>claims about its ground swell support and is laughing in its fist if
>>its opponents try focusing on that argumentation. If the trial will
>>mostly focus about public opinion instead of the law, Microsoft will
>>have an easy play in the higher courts in order to have the decision
>>thrown out.
>
>They aleady have an easy path to an appeal. Judge Jackson has been
>overwhelmingly prejudiced against them in the past. That's all it
>would take if he found them guilty in this trial.
Judge Jackson is a _conservative_ judge , I think he's seen his share
of liars and bullshit/con artists in his years on the bench to know
where m$ is coming from. Chairman Bill's sudden attacks of amnesia
sure haven't helped m$'s case, nor have m$'s internal e-mails
(paraphrased slightly) "how can we _force_ consumers to use IE" , " I
don't see how IE is going to win , we keep just copying NS, we should
be _leveraging_ Windows more." Etc. m$ has been caught with their
pants down by an opponent that _won't_ go away and _can't_ be steam
rolled. More power to the DoJ !!
>
>
>
>
>"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
> And with strange aeons even death may die."
>- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: "Matt Penfold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing Apps
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:20:27 -0000
I had this problem as well until I realized I had not set /usr/local/bin in
my PATH environment.
To run the app try ./<appname> when in /usr/local/bin
(The period in front of the / is important)
To correct this problem on a more permnant basis add the following lines to
profile in /etc.
PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/bin"
export PATH
You will need to logout and back in for this to take effect
Hope this gets you going
Matt Penfold
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rick Glunt wrote in message ...
>I am using Red Hat 5.2 and installing applications with Glint. after the
>package is installed it will not run. I can see the programs in my
>/usr/local/bin directory but I cannot execute them. what am I missing. I
>thought they would run after installation without any other steps. What
did
>I miss?
>
>
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From: Olaf Walkowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 19 Jan 1999 14:26:51 +0100
Hello,
"Mosl Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> First atempt failed. To much problems to install Debian 2.0
> on a 24 MB notebook. SUSE 6 worked, but to slow.
This is (i think) because SuSE uses KDE as the default WindowManager,
and KDE needs lot's of resources.
Try another Windowmanager, f.e Window Maker.
CU
Olaf
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: [ newsgroups and moderation ]
Date: 19 Jan 1999 09:54:39 -0800
"Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Since kids have found the Internet to be a popular hang-out these days,
> we're beginning to see a massive over-population of the new-breed maturity
> that I've been hearing about. Guys, seriously - if these people start to
> grate your nerves, ignore the posts. I'm tired of sifting through
> "corrections on grammar" and "requests for politeness".
Shouldn't that be "corrections of grammar"? (Couldn't resist.)
The real subject of this post is this: I noticed the crossposting
to alt.linux & alt.os.linux and I'd like to know why anyone would
want to use those newsgroups. Please summarize their differences
from c.o.l.misc.
And does anyone know where one can find on the WWW the NG charters.
IIRC, the last time I tried to find that info in the begginner's NG,
it was a gargantuan article longer than I care to download.
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cfdisk problem. help!!
Date: 19 Jan 1999 09:26:57 -0800
nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
> hi.. when i try to run cfdisk, i get "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary
> partition", and cfdisk exits. does anyone know what the problem might
> be? i have one HDD, 9 gigs... the first 4 gigs have win95, followed by
> 2 gigs of free space (which i want to give to linux, using cfdisk),
> followed by a swap partition, a /boot partition, and my root partition
> (linux, of course). i'm running redhat 5.2
>
> ...thanks for any help!!
I've not heard that one before, but Disk Druid reportedly can't
handle >8.4 MB; maybe cfdisk can't either.
There's a couple clues in the "Barrier" section of
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/disk-drives.html
Some hunting with DejaNews would turn up more responses to this
variation (I suspect) of a FAQ.
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Dan Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:27:00 GMT
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> >Where did I never pretended that windows is more reliable??????
> Win9x doesn't even take a power hit well.
My flatmates Windows machine blue-screened the other day, reason...
I was using my mobile phone across the room from her :P
Happened in Windows again when we checked to make sure, bought Linux
laptop into the room , no problems.
Dan.
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:33:27 -0800
Paul E Larson wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
>wrote:
> >On 19 Jan 1999 01:38:15 -0800, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >>Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >>>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Tremblay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> Eric> oh... and in the first place DOS was designed to _sell_ not
> >> Eric> to work. IBM got too impatient and decided to 1. go with the
> >> Eric> shit 8088 processors that that Intel were selling them for a
> >> Eric> 'better deal' and 2. go with Billy boy's "QDOS" excuse for
> >> Eric> an operating system that was stolen from Seattle Computer
> >> Eric> Products anyway. Then came the whole thing about IBM
> >>
> >>I don't have a jones for Microsoft but I do might irritated at the
> >>perpetuation of this falsehood. Gates did not steal the OS in any
> >>way. If you can't make a case without resorting to falsehood, you
> >>don't have a case to make.
> >
> > He most certainly did and it was ajudicated as such.
> >
> You of course have some , excuse me kind posters for using this nasty word,
> PROOF. Interesting article with some guy named Tim Paterson who worked
> for Microsoft(at least in 97') - http://www.forbes.com/asap/97/1201/070.htm
> you might find it interesting.
"There was nothing about QDOS, Seattle Computer Products'
16 bit operating system, that couldn't have been created
just as well by programmers at Microsoft. But Microsoft
programmers hadn't created it, and Tim patterson of
Seattle Computer Products had. QDOS, which stood for
'quick and dirty operating system," was a 16 bit clone
of CP/M intended for an 8086-based computer being
developed by the small company. All QDOS commands
were the same as in CP/M. Patterson admitted to a
little "low-level" borrowing from CP/M, too, but
claimed that most of the code was his own.
Gary Killdall [creator of CP/M] still thinks a lot
of QDOS code was stolen straight from his CP/M. "Ask
Bill why function code 6 (in QDOS and still in MS-DOS
more than ten years later) ends in a dollar sign.
No one in the world knows that but me." "
Accidental Empires
- Robert X. Cringely
pp 132-133
I seem to recall that Patterson also sued MS and won
over the OS rights, but can't find a reference.
The Patterson article seems more like "We are at
war with EastAsia. We have always been at war with
EastAsia."
Arthur
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From: Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Did Schmalensee write his written testimony?
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:26:22 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:26:22 PDT
In comp.os.linux.misc joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When the DoJ presented it case there were times when the press said
> their witness hurt the DoJ by being poorly prepared or they conceeded
> some points to MS. That's going to happen when a witness is left
> without being fuly coached.
Fully coached or well examined? Coaching a witness to give the desired
answers is tampering; acquiring a full and reasonably complete knowledge
of what a witness is going to or can say is entirely legitimate, and
forestalling those areas by not touching them in direct examination is
just good strategy. At the same time, MS has the money to hire the best
lawyers available; they're going to be able to pull rabbits out of the
hat, because that's what they're paid to do. They're probably going to be
technically better and more experienced than many government lawyers,
too, who get paid next to nothing.
At the same time, having witnesses who concede minor points and who are
superficially vulnerable makes them more credible; having witnesses who
stick to unbelieveable points (such as Gates' deposition or Schmalensee's
testimony) makes them incredible and even the valid points are hurt by a
perceived untrustworthiness.
marco
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mpa at the-wire dot com in Astounding Science comics
http://www.the-wire.com/~mpa (The Manchurian Candidate)
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From: Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:33:40 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:33:40 PDT
In comp.os.linux.misc Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They aleady have an easy path to an appeal. Judge Jackson has been
> overwhelmingly prejudiced against them in the past. That's all it
> would take if he found them guilty in this trial.
Well, it all depends on how he writes his decision: will he give them room
to appeal there or not? IIRC, the only major reversal of Penfield
Jackson's decisions, in the past, was regarding the appointment of a
special master to aid the court in technical testimony. The rest of his
decisions have been extremely conservative.
marco
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http://www.the-wire.com/~mpa (The Manchurian Candidate)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Server
Date: 19 Jan 1999 19:22:25 GMT
In linux.redhat.misc Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
# does not work. Does anybody have any ideas for me?
do the logs say anything?
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From: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 19 Jan 1999 14:41:57 -0500
Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am interested in a "soft-touch" keyboard for a Linux workstation that has
> one Control key on the home row - by the "A" key or "Caps lock" key, instead
> of 2 Control keys on the bottom like on Windows keyboards. I would like to
> hear someone recommend a keyboard with these specifications.
> The best example I can think of is a keyboard for DEC 5000/33. workstation.
> Another example is a keyboard for older HP-UX workstations, although they
> had tiny, difficult to use, control keys. Needless to say, these proprietory
> keyboards do not work on anything else.
> Another example is made by PFU America Inc. (http://www.pfuca.com/). Happy
> Hacking Keyboard has a big Control key and loks good but is missing function
> keys.
>
> The reason I am asking is because I find Emacs infinitely easier to use with
> a Control key on the home row, and practically unusable for a long time with
> Windows 95/PC type keyboards. Of course, that is just my opinion and I
> realize others differ. Still, I'd like to hear suggestions.
> Thanks in advance.
Add
XkbOptions "ctrl:nocaps"
to the "Keyboard" section of your XF86Config file, and Caps Lock will
become an additional control key.
Steve
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: iomega atapi zip under RH5.2
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:26:27 +0100
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I don't agree, I have SCSI support for my ppa and it works!!! -> They wrote this in the
howto's
I can only mount it as an sd device. I don't even have atapi support cause I do
everything on SCSI except for my parallel ZIP drive. Beside the ZIP drive ppa.o is a
IEEE SCSI standard (I checked out the code myself).
Raymond
Michael.Creasy wrote:
> > This wrong, you need to enable SCSI support!!! Because the PPA driver (zip
> > driver) uses SCSI IEEE standard comamnds to communicate. If you done that you can
> > do insmod ppa and your device should be on /dev/sdc4 or dev/sdb4
>
> I don't know how to solve the problem, but I KNOW this is wrong. An
> atapi drive is atapi NOT SCSI. The PPA driver is for WINDOWS/DOS.
> Under Linux you just use the standard atapi floppy support and that is
> all there is to it. You DON'T need SCSI support at all.
>
> Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Calder)
Subject: Re: Can this modem be driven with Linux?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:55:46 GMT
Hi Chris
On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:34:50 +0000, Chris Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Richard Jones wrote:
>[...]
>> [1] \WINDOWS\TSAD.DLL, and if anyone knows how
>> to recover this DLL without a complete reinstall,
>> I would be eternally grateful ...
>Sssh. You didn't hear this from me..
>Try "EXTRACT /Y /A /L $WINDIR$ PRECOPY1.CAB TSAD.DLL" from the win95 dir
>on your CD (or equivalent CAB file dir).
>Not sure about $WINDIR$, you might have to type it in yourself. ;-)
Off topic, but....
It would be %windir% rather than $windir$ to read the WINDIR
environment variable and use it.
Pete.
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