Linux-Misc Digest #692, Volume #18 Tue, 19 Jan 99 13:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Best Free Unix? (why Pentium Pro?) (Adam Sampson)
Re: HELP 2.2.0pre7 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Thoughts on file organization ("Rick Glunt")
Re: Scanner setup using SANE/Redhat 5.2? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GTK+ 1.1.x question (Bob Tennent)
Re: Hi, (Gergo Barany)
Re: Linux with 256Mb? (Micha)
running SL / RH without swap partition (Daniel TONG)
sharing netscape 4.5 files between linux and nt4 - almost there, but...
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: * and dot files ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs) (Thomas L|fgren)
XWind_woes___Please Help___TIA (joe Smo)
Lilo Pbs ... (Damien Ercole)
Re: Experiences of Hi-Tech USA? (Matt Bettencourt)
Re: Problem with Slackware 3.6? (pces)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (jedi)
Re: A few questions (Gary Momarison)
Installing Apps ("Rick Glunt")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (jedi)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Arthur)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Michael Powe)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (jedi)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Sampson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why Pentium Pro?)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:30 GMT
On 13 Jan 1999 19:13:34 GMT, Robert Sexton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: > Have you tried the K6 kernel patches? The last I found would only work
>: > against 2.0.36, and I'm still running 2.0.34...
>Have you tried FreeBSD? We don't have to spend time tracking
>down patches :-).
No; I'm a GPL fan. ;-) I also like Quake 2, and I don't know if it would
work under IBCS.
Plus, every time I've gone to download FreeBSD the sites have always been too
slow to be useful. Linux I can get cheaply on CD in the UK.
Anyway, I doubt that there's anything that FreeBSD can do that Linux can't for
me. I'm running a home proxy server, not a big company webserver.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HELP 2.2.0pre7
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:31:46 GMT
Thomas Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Barry Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> checksum.c:200: redefinition of 'csum_partial_copy'
>> checksum.c :105: 'csum_partial_copy' previously defined here
> I have exactly the same problem. Up to 2.1.131 I didn't have any
> problems (gcc 2.7.2.3, libc-5.4.46)
Read:
http://roadrunner.swansea.linux.org.uk/clue.html
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From: "Rick Glunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Thoughts on file organization
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:48:13 -0500
First let me state I am new to Linux and have recently installed an E-mial
server running Linux and it works great! (sure beats the way I used to do it
.... MS exchnage) Now I've got a few questions/probes. I like to way
DOS/Windows organizes applications into their own folders and directories.
When I install an application, I know where I can find the majority of its
files. One area I am having trouble with when working with Linux (and UNIX
in general) is that when installing a new application I am never sure where
the new files should be put..some are in /etc some are in /local, etc. Can
anyone give me an overview of the method to Linux file organization? Where
should a new app be installed? Where is a good place to put the downloaded
source? Why can't Linux have a directories called 'diald' created when I
install diald? Any clarifications are appreciated. No flames please!....I
love Linux thus far, I'm just a little confused!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Scanner setup using SANE/Redhat 5.2?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:47:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Michael McAfee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do i set-up or configure SANE so that it works with my scanner under
> RedHat 5.2? I've read the Man pages but they haven't been much help.
Did you build a kernel/module for generic scsi support ?
Do you have the generic scsi devices in /dev ?
What have you tried ?
What happened / errors ?
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From: r d t@c s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: GTK+ 1.1.x question
Date: 19 Jan 1999 14:13:51 GMT
On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:48:13 +0000, Kerry J. Cox wrote:
>Quick question. It seems that so many programs now are using GTK+
>1.1.x However, I know that GIMP won't run using the 1.1 libraries. Is
>there any simple way to have both my gtk+-1.0.6-3 rpm file and the
>latest gtk+-1.1.2 rpm installed? I already tried to install the
>earliest gtk+1.1 and then GIMP wouldn't run. Can I simply do a "rpm
>-ivh gtk+-1.1....rpm" instead of a "rpm -Uvh gtk+1.1...rpm" and have
>both installed?
Usually you can. Most of the gtk+ and glib packages install
library versions that are distinct and can be installed using rpm -i
without conflict. If rpm complains, then there is a conflict and
you should use rpm -U. This does *not* apply to devel packages.
Only one gtk+-devel or glib-devel package should be installed.
Bob T.
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From: Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux,comp.security.unix,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.security,comp.security.firewalls,comp.security.misc
Subject: Re: Hi,
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:11:56 +0100
> By the way is there a way to stop a hacker trieing?
If you can find out his IP number, you can block that address (or the
whole subnet, if he's got a dynamic IP), or find out who his provider
is (nslookup, dig etc.) and send a complaint to abuse@his-isp or
hostmaster@his-isp or something similar.
--
Mother is the invention of necessity.
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From: Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux with 256Mb?
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:59:14 +0100
> On Sat, 16 Jan 1999, F. Javier Heredia wrote:
> >
> > 1) Are really Linux able to support the 256Mb? (I asked this question
> > previously in the NG and somebody answered that it can handle up
> > to 1Gb).
> > 2) Must I do something special to make Linux recognize the
> > 256Mb installed?
> >
No problems ( AFAIK ).
we have 2 servers here, running linux with 256 MB
and there are no problems - no special config.
Micha.
============================================================
Michael Schulze
FH-Brandenburg
http://zeus.fh-brandenburg.de/~schulzmi
email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
============================================================
"...when your girlfriend's got a penis something's wrong..."
K's Choice
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From: Daniel TONG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: running SL / RH without swap partition
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:56:18 -0500
I have been running SL and RH without the swap
partition. Now I have problem configuring x
windows. Any possibility that it has something to
do with the lack of the swap partition?
I have 96 MB of ram.
Any input to my email [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be
most appreciated.
Daniel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: sharing netscape 4.5 files between linux and nt4 - almost there, but...
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:03:04 GMT
I checked that some of those in this ng have done this, so here it goes:
I have so far:
Mounted my vfat partition with my uid/gid in /etc/fstab
Changed the location of my mail and news directories to be under
~/.netscape/mail and ~/.netscape/news, respectively (these are specified as
absolute paths in preferences.js. Only shortened here)
Moved some of the files/directories in linux:
cd ~/.netscape
mv bookmarks.htm bookmarks.html.old
mv cache cache.old
mv cookies cookies.old
mv mail mail.old
mv news news.old
Created links pointing to the netscape files/directories in the nt partition:
cd ~/.netscape ln -s "/mnt/hda5/Program
Files/Netscape/Users/john/bookmark.html" bookmarks.html ln -s
"/mnt/hda5/Program Files/Netscape/Users/john/cookies.txt" cookies ln -s
"/mnt/hda5/Program Files/Netscape/Users/john/Cache" cache ln -s
"/mnt/hda5/Program Files/Netscape/Users/john/Mail" mail ln -s
"/mnt/hda5/Program Files/Netscape/Users/john/News" news
The personal bookmarks, cookies, and cache works! (Note though of the
difference on the filenames between linux and nt, like bookmarks.html instead
of bookmark.html and cookies.txt instead of cookies).
However, for mail in the fat partition, I have files for each folder with a
corresponding <folder_name>.snm. (e.g.: Drafts and Drafts.snm). Netscape mail
shows the .snm files as a separate folder. Any ideas why?
For nsnews, netscape seems to store the subscribed news and downloaded
messages in ./netscape/xover-cache/ instead of ./netscape/news/. I checked in
both preferences.js and what netscape shows me under Edit/Preferences menu, I
still have /home/john/.netscape/news as my news directory.
Any ideas? From those who have successfully done this?
Thanks in advance,
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: * and dot files
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:06:48 GMT
Shaygetz <"s m c q u a l e"@i x.n e t c o m.c o m> wrote:
> chmod 777 /tmp
/tmp should be mode 1777 (sticky bit set)
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs)
From: Thomas L|fgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Jan 1999 17:04:05 +0100
>>>>> "Ilya" == Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ilya> I am interested in a "soft-touch" keyboard for a Linux
Ilya> workstation that has one Control key on the home row - by
Ilya> the "A" key or "Caps lock" key, instead of 2 Control keys on
Ilya> the bottom like on Windows keyboards.
I agree with you; the control key belongs on the home row. In fact, I
think the use of caps lock should be banned world wide. You are aware
of the fact that you can easily remap your broken keyboard to behave
the way you want to, right? I even think that you can change just one
line in your /etc/XF86Config to swap places of caps lock and control.
Other physical key placements are more annoying on these types of
keyboards, however.
Followups slightly trimmed.
Tom
--
Wherever I lay my .emacs, that's my ${HOME}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (joe Smo)
Subject: XWind_woes___Please Help___TIA
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:06:12 GMT
Please Help,
I installed XFree86 V 3.3.3.1 on my Linux machine and I can not get it
to work.
The error I get says
Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:554
ViewPort 00
^^^^^^^^
Mode name expected
_X11TransSocketUnix Connect Can't connect : errno11
giving up.
xinit: Connection refused (errno111): unable to connect to x server
xinit: No such process (errno3): Server error.
================
It is for a Diamond Speedstar A50 (AGP), 8mgVRAM, SiS6326 Chip
I dloaded XFree86 V3.3.3.1 along with the latest SVGA server.
I set the screen modes conservativaly at 800x600, My monitor is a
DELL Trinitron 17".
TIA
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From: Damien Ercole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,fr.comp.os.linux
Subject: Lilo Pbs ...
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:24:11 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I've been trying to get LILO to work on my Hard Drive
for 2 days now without any success ..so maybe someone
can help me ...Here is my problem ...
I have an IBM DeskStar 16GP 10.1Go (UDMA33) on which
I have a primary Dos partition (of 5Go) declared as
FAT32, that holds my win98 system. I want to install
Linux RedHat 5.2 on the remaining 5Go.
* When I start the RedHat 5.2 installation ..it detects
only 1024 cylinders (out of the 1232) and thus I only
have 8Go. To solve this problem I start the
installation with the parameter hda=1232,255,63 and
that works fine ....but can anyone tell me why I have
to pass this argument ?
* After I have finished the installation, the system
ask me where I want to put Lilo ... and I answer on
the MBR of hda. When I reboot to start ..... LILO
stops right after the first L without any error code
... so I don't know what's happening .....
Do I put the LILO at the wrong place ? Is there a
compatibility problem with my Hard Drive ?
* The only way I can start is to boot from a floppy..
then I can access to the partition table :
Part | Type | Size | Mounted as
===========================================
hda1 | Fat32 | 5Go | /DosC
hda3 | Linux Native | 3Go | /usr/local
hda5 | Linux Native | 2Go | /
hda6 | Swap | 127Mo |
- Why isn't there a hda2 ?
- I use Disk Druid and I can't make a big Linux Native
partition of 5Go. I have to split in smaller
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From: Matt Bettencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Experiences of Hi-Tech USA?
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:04:44 -0600
I have used then before and been happy, however, I have only used them
for hardware. not software. They have the best prices for desktops
that I have ever seen and they shipped what I wanted when I wanted it so
in that case I was happy. I have never really used their service
department but with most of these really cheap places I would not expect
much expertise.
Matt
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From: pces <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem with Slackware 3.6?
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:05:17 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vyacheslav V. Vasin wrote:
> Hello!
>
Hi Vyacheslav!
> I installed Slackware 3.6 some days ago.
> I have a problem with some of binaries from Slackware 3.4;(
But I thought you said you said you installed 3.6? Or were you justreferring to
the problems in the binaries of Slackware 3.4 on 3.6?
> ---------------------
> When I run it, I receive:
> 50 1 50
> 50 50 50
> 150 1 50
> -1073743048 1 50
> I don't understand this result.
>
>
>
> For this:
> ----------------------
> #include <stdlib.h>
> main()
> {
> static ldiv_t y;
> static int i;
>
> for (i=1;i<=1000;i++){
> y=ldiv(150,100);
> printf("%d %u %u \n",i,y.quot,y.rem);
> }
> }
> ----------------------
> I receive:
> 1 1 50
> 2 1 50
> ......
> 310 1 50
> EMT trap
>
> Where is a problem?
> My cc is link to gcc-2.7.2.3.
> I relink my cc from gcc-2.7.2.3 to gcc-egcs-1.0.3 and recompile
> program. All right. All work well.
> Is this my problem, problem of libc.so.5.4.46 or problem Slackware
> 3.6 distribution?
>
I think it's just that the gcc 2.7.2.3 requires libc5 libraries, whereas youhave
glibc libraries. Of course, I could be wrong.. but that sounds like it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:35:39 -0800
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:23:11 GMT, Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:56:51 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi) chose
>to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:01:35 GMT, Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On 18 Jan 1999 18:24:27 +0100, David Kastrup
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
>>>all with this bit of wisdom:
>>>
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:30:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stephen)
>>>>> chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Also, ZDNet's Charles Cooper says Boies is much more effective than
>>>>> >his
>>>>> >opponents from Sullivan & Cromwell.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what is it that makes his opinion so important?
>>>>>
>>>>> > (Of course, they have the
>>>>> >disadvantage
>>>>> >of having a guilty client. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't aware that the trial was over. Of course even after Microsoft
>>>>> is cleared of all charges you will, doubtless, still consider them
>>>>> guilty.
>>>>
>>>>Anybody that has not by now noticed that they are playing the part of
>>>>a real messy, ugly and mean bully using all sorts of dirty tricks in
>>>>order to smash their opponents in the software industry with a
>>>>vengeance while not just relying on the renowned high quality of their
>>>>products should have his head examined.
>>>
>>>Anybody who hasn't noticed that's how big business is done everywhere
>>>needs to get out more. Microsoft wasn't as nice to their competitors
>>>as they could have been. BFD! Who is?
>>
>> That doesn't make Microsoft any less reprehensible.
>> It just means that Billy doesn't have nearly as big
>> a fin as he thought he did. In the end, he may end
>> up taking his more adept colleagues down with him
>> as more people become aware of everything ELSE that
>> goes on.
>
>Everybody else is aware of it. It seems like only the rabid Microsoft
>haters thought that the business world was some kind a big happy
>family.
So bring on the specifics then, and not just generalized pessimism.
If 'everyones aware' it shouldn't be at all difficult.
[deletia]
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A few questions
Date: 19 Jan 1999 09:02:36 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I recently installed Slackware 3.4 and now I have a few questions:
You'll save yourself a bunch of time, when (not if) you learn to find
the answer to the easy-sounding ones yourself.
> 1. How can I use my floppy drive without mounting it after every disk change?
Use "superdisk". See http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/disk-drives.html
> 2. How do I run a stand-alone system without network with a minimum use of
> memory?
Not quite sure what that means, but try the small-memory section of
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/memory.html
> 3. I have a NEC P2200 printer. Is there a driver for that printer?
Look in the Ghostscript (gs program) documentation to see which "device"
is good for that printer (or try one for a similar NEC printer). Then
type "gs --help" and see if it is part of your "gs" program. If not,
you'll have to learn how to rebuild "gs" with that "device" included.
Find Ghostscript info at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/printing.html
> 4. I have a Iomega Zip drive that should work via the parallel port (fine in
> Windows 95). How do I use that in Linux?
Read HOWTOs, etc. See http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/zip.html
>
> Thanks for any help!
Show your thanks by helping others get started.
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: "Rick Glunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing Apps
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:27:04 -0500
I am using Red Hat 5.2 and installing applications with Glint. after the
package is installed it will not run. I can see the programs in my
/usr/local/bin directory but I cannot execute them. what am I missing. I
thought they would run after installation without any other steps. What did
I miss?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:59:42 -0800
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:27:40 -0600, Michael Lee Yohe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>At the moment, you are really making yourself look ridiculous, since you
>are
>>>trying to claim that if lots of people use something, that makes it a
>>>standard.
>>>
>>Unfortunately, he's right. Windows is a standard...more accurately, a
>>sub-standard. Most people are so convinced that computers are difficult,
>>that they refuse to learn about the computer...and Windows caters to that
>>mentality.
>
>I really beg to differ. Amazingly enough - there are those who love Linux,
>but also marvel at the wonders produced by finally getting a bunch of smart
>programmers and business who know how to write code and give them powerful
>tools to create powerful applications to do powerful things. I'm not a
>Windows-worshipper nor a Linux-advocate. What I am is one who will actually
>sit down and look at the last ten years of the computing industry and see
>how far we come - this didn't happen because things magically became
>reality. It happened because of standardization - under the Windows
>platform - Mac platform - UNIX platform. Programming ten years ago wasn't
>about portability - it was about throwing it together and making things
>work.
>
>Windows has done something what no operating system has been able to
>accomplish thus far. It provides a powerful environment via API's - all
>standardized so that programmers can use them, implement them, and produce
>programs that beat older - thrown together code in all aspects. It's not
They do not. Windows programs are typically overbloated
overfeatured overcomplicated monstrosities that tend to
negate the value of a GUI by dispensing with the simplicity
inherent in older GUI applictions.
The need to convince consumers that there is some reason
to buy this years version of last years version of what is
essentially a 10 year old program also rather works against
usability.
It's a 3 ring circus with Bill in the center and personal
use OSes bloated to the point of being larger than older
big iron ones.
>that Windows makes it easy for an idiot to use the computer. It _is_ that
>Windows takes the re-inventing of the wheel out of programming. It's called
>"maximum efficiency". And, it's being carried out by all types of OSes -
>following of course by an obvious excellent example.
>
>Linux is touching base with this - libc is that approach. MacOS has touched
>base with this over the years but only until recently provided a
>standardized development library for the OS. And so on and so forth.
>Windows != IdiotOS. Windows == LearnedOS.
GUI's have had API's (one vs several incompatible ones) for
quite some time now. The concept of the API itself is fairly
ancient and is nothing special for being applied to GUI's.
Windows is nothing at all new in this respect.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:08:48 -0800
Allen Versfeld wrote:
> (I once saw an old 486 that had reportedly Never hung! Not even once!).
It's rather sad that a PC that works would be a
curiosity.
Arthur
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 Jan 1999 00:55:41 -0800
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>>>>> "Mayor" == Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mayor> On 18 Jan 1999 11:51:42 +0100, David Kastrup
Mayor> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to
Mayor> bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
Mayor> I didn't find anything like this on their site. I found
Mayor> some articles against the Kyoto Protocols and an urging of
Mayor> using local and private means to control pollution. I found
IOW, no pollution controls. Doh!
>> in the cramped states of Europe people actually thing the
>> freedom to choose your education yourself
Mayor> Being able to choose your own education is largely what the
Mayor> voucher movement is all about. In many areas of the US the
Mayor> teacher unions run control the schools. They run them to
Mayor> benefit themselves and education comes in a distant second
Mayor> on their list of priorities. Vouchers would allow more
Mayor> parents to pick better schools for their children.
Vouchers are about exclusivity -- keeping the "undesirables" out.
>> Unfortunately, not all freedoms can be realized at all times.
>> The U.S. idea of freedom means that everybody ought to fight
>> all the way as much for himself as possible, just like the
>> ideals in the Wild West were.
Mayor> The US idea of freedom is that one should be left alone so
This decidedly is <not> the "US idea of freedom" and is an idea
rejected routinely at the polls.
Mayor> long as he is causing no harm to others. I'm not sure where
Mayor> you got the idea that Americans live to fight each
Mayor> other. Perhaps you've watched one too many spaghetti
Mayor> westerns. FYI the crime rate was lower in the 'Wild West'
Bzzzzt! Possibly a murder rate about 300 times the rate in any
European nation? And I'm talking per capita, not in total.
Mayor> Over here public education is a joke in many areas. Thats
Mayor> why you see the movement to get it some competition. Its
Mayor> not that people are against education. Its that the current
Mayor> product is so shoddy that the system needs a major
Mayor> overhaul. We are paying the price for 20 years of
Mayor> sef-esteem curriculum and rain-forest math. Things are
Mayor> starting to turn around.
Spoken like a true bourgeois. Another one of those "born on third
base and thinks he hit a triple" wunderkinds.
Mayor> The nanny state is a recent (largely post WWII)
Mayor> invention. It is not at all what civilization is about.
At least we agree that the present status of the US does not represent
"progress" over our past, and that we are not a "civilized" nation.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
8<-----------------------here's-one-example------------------------------>8
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:53:54 -0800
On 19 Jan 1999 01:38:15 -0800, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Tremblay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Eric> oh... and in the first place DOS was designed to _sell_ not
> Eric> to work. IBM got too impatient and decided to 1. go with the
> Eric> shit 8088 processors that that Intel were selling them for a
> Eric> 'better deal' and 2. go with Billy boy's "QDOS" excuse for
> Eric> an operating system that was stolen from Seattle Computer
> Eric> Products anyway. Then came the whole thing about IBM
>
>I don't have a jones for Microsoft but I do might irritated at the
>perpetuation of this falsehood. Gates did not steal the OS in any
>way. If you can't make a case without resorting to falsehood, you
>don't have a case to make.
He most certainly did and it was ajudicated as such.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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