Linux-Misc Digest #699, Volume #18 Wed, 20 Jan 99 05:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: kword v. Frame maker ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: My SUSE 5.1 can execute commands! - SOLVED (Dr A Medina S)
Re: CRON: /bin/bash: root: command not found (Bill Unruh)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: /dev/dsp What the.... (Bill Unruh)
TAR question ("Rob Dover")
Re: 2038 and Linux (Bloody Viking)
Re: 128 bit Netscape 4.08 built against glibc (Bill Unruh)
Re: Linux Friendly ISP (Keith Brilhart)
Re: having no /etc/fstab is not nice! -- please help (Bill Unruh)
moving directory from one physical drive to another ("Steven R. Jones")
Re: Slackware and Oracle 8 (Hans van Zijst)
Re: Did Schmalensee write his written testimony? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: cfdisk problem. help!! (Villy Kruse)
to get SATAN... ("Michael Lee Yohe")
Re: Info on Y2K compliancy ... ("Michael Lee Yohe")
Re: moving directory from one physical drive to another ("Michael Lee Yohe")
Re: [ newsgroups and moderation ] ("Michael Lee Yohe")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kword v. Frame maker
Date: 19 Jan 1999 15:30:51 -0800
In article <780k3m$f15$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rod Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[Posted and mailed]
>
>In article <77vec4$kqm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am about to get a home computer and will install linux on it.
>> I am looking around in the newsgroups and on the net for pro. grade
>> word processors etc and finds a couple of promising ones.
WordPerfect version 8 is available for Linux; it's free for personal use. I
installed it, seems to work as advertised. (I find it too large and
bloated, I much prefer LaTeX and emacs. Much easier to apply standard Unix
tools to LaTeX files, and TeX has no known bugs. Of course it works just
fine on large documents - lots of books have been set with TeX or LaTeX.)
>Now, I'm not expert on FrameMaker, but my understanding is that it's a
>desktop publishing program, not a word processor. While the two are
>similar, they've got different emphases -- a word processor is designed
>to make editing text easy, and is probably klunkier at stuff like getting
>the formatting exactly the way you want, while a desktop publishing
>program has the opposite set of emphases and abilities.
Hmmm.... so where does MS-Word (makes editing hard, but is klunky at getting
the typesetting right) fit?
-s
Shamim Mohamed
spm (at)
drones. kom
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:45:25 -0600
From: Dr A Medina S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My SUSE 5.1 can execute commands! - SOLVED
Dr A Medina S wrote:
> I just installed an old SUSE 5.1 (it's difficult to obtain Linux in
> Mexico), but I can't install Netscape 4.5 because, even when it list
> with ls the file ns-install as a command (pink) file, with -rwxr-xr-x
> permissions, it says bash - command not found, when I try to run it. I
> can try . ns-install, but get many errors in the installation. What can
> I do?. I installed fine the same Netscape on my old Slackware 96
>
> And yes, I selected root to include . on his path.
Thanks to all, a missing sh link was all I needed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: CRON: /bin/bash: root: command not found
Date: 20 Jan 1999 06:58:19 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Miguel Angel Moreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]I have a problem with one of my linux machines. I've installed Red Hat
]4.2, the same version as my other three computers, but in this
]computer it sends a message to the root each minute saying "root:
]command not found". I tried to remove the error line, and the error
]jumps to the next crontab line. Why? :D
]Subject: Cron <root@xxxxxx> root [ -x /usr/sbin/atrun ] &&
]/usr/sbin/atrun
]/bin/bash: root: command not found
]--------------
]* * * * * root [ -x /usr/sbin/atrun ] && /usr/sbin/atrun
The rest of the line after the first 5 fields is the command. Your
command is "root" What command is root? bash is unable to find any
command called root. Thus the eroor message.1
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Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:51:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
> Linux has standardization (much more so than NT: ever hear of POSIX?)
> and Redhat and others will gladly sell you a support contract for far
> less than the equivalent from MS and with far better support than the
> usual MS ("reboot, reinstall, upgrade") so-called support. (Ever tried
> using MS's support? A joke.)
Actually...the one time that I DID call MS's support system, I had just
installed Win95 onto my old 486(which, BTW, ran Dos/Win3.11 fine, and Ran
Linux Pro 4.1(Redhat) particularly well), and kept getting some kind of
Memory error. Well, I knew there was a problem with my hardware, but I've
been using this board for the better part of a year without any problems on
Dos/Win311, or Linux, so I knew it must be something that Win95 is trying to
DO to my hardware. I called MS, which disabled any Toll-Free support line
they ever had, so I'm making a Long Distance call. I get the Tech guy on the
line and read him Verbaitum what just happened, to include the unfamiliar
memory address that was supposedly causing this problem. He puts me on hold
for 40 minutes(!!!), and then tells me after 40 minutes that *I* am paying
for, that "it's a Hardware problem, and he can't help me, and that I should
pay to have someone look at my hardware, because there must be something
wrong with it."
You give support like that, and it's a wonder that MS is on top. I really
admire Bill's Marketing strategy... -.-;
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: /dev/dsp What the....
Date: 20 Jan 1999 07:16:39 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
>On 17 Jan 1999 15:36:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 15 Jan 1999 23:45:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>I tried sending a .wav file to the card using:
>>>cat sound.wav > /dev/dsp
Do not know what your soundcard is, but try running sndconfig to see if
that will configure your card for you.
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From: "Rob Dover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TAR question
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:48:29 -0800
I am calling TAR with an INCLUDE file that contains the names of files and
directories that I want added to a TARBALL. My question is, is there a way
with TAR to exclude some directories within a parent without having to
resort to an exclude file?
i.e.
In PARENT I have FILE1, FILE2, FILE3 and CHILD1, CHILD2, CHILD3, and CHILD4.
What I would like to do is exclude CHILD2 and CHILD3 while TARing all FILEs
and the complete CHILD1 and CHILD4.
This is just a simplified example, the actual directory structure is much
more complex.
I could create an exclude file and call TAR with -X excludefile but would
prefer to just do the entire operation with single INCLUDE file if possible.
I have tried /PARENT/* and /PARENT/*.* in the includefile which didn't work
and of course /PARENT/. takes everything in the PARENT directory and all its
subdirectories.
What I am trying to do here is a small backup of just a few key files and
directories on a remote machine. The plan is to do the backup and then FTP
the resultant file to another machine in a different location for safe
keeping.
TIA -Rob-
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From: Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.software.year-2000,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Date: 20 Jan 1999 07:06:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Christopher B. Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Nope. This doesn't cope well with the fact that one of the most major
: places where date stamps of the form time_t are used is for time stamps in
: filesystems.
All the files would after Y2K+38 have wierd-arse dates. One problem is
archiving and purging. This is why backdating is not "elegant".
: Bonus points for the consideration that if /etc/backdate gets nuked, this
: affects dates on other partitions that weren't touched.
Yes, it's a problem. You would basically have files with random dates
after a while. All the apps would have to add a header in the file format
for the backdate so your archiver app knows what's what. That'll get ugly.
: This is *not* a good answer.
Agreed. But 40 years from now, I may well do it if we are still using 32
bit CPUs. This illustrates the complexity of the problem.
:>Method 2: Unsugning time_t. Time_t is a signed integer. You could make it
:>unsigned at least in theory. Anyone try this? An alternative is to make it
:>a double, a floating point double, etc. Slows the system, but nicer than
:>backdating. An unsigned integer only delays the inevitable of having to
:>backdate by some long time.
: This means that you can't represent dates before 1970. My birthday
: disappears. Oops.
So does mine. Ironically, my birth year is Y2K-38! Not a good solution for
historians!
:>Method 3: A perpetual calendar routine. The years repeat themselves every
:>400 years in the Gregorian pattern. You could use Y2K as a reference date
:>and design a routine that backdates as above, but backdates funny at
:>Y2.1K, Y2.2K, and Y2.3K then at Y2.4K reverts to Y2K. Of course, you need
:>that goofy /etc/backdate file to remember the config for apps to use.
:>Again, you can use a goofy cron job.
: Definitely sounds goofy.
At least I admit it's goofy. Plus it has the other backdating problems you
outlined - only worse.
:>Method 4: Use a DEC Alpha or other 64 bit CPU. :) For those of you who
:>have the money, this is the best solution. Those of us on low budgets,
:>it's time to impliment the backdating crap.
: Method 5: The *right* answer is to do the remediation via standardization
: (in C9X) of the representation of 64 bit values. These days, the
: "nonstandard but common" approach is for "long long" to be 64 bits.
: Apparently behaviour is to be standardized in C9X.
: Given standardized behaviour of the data type, we can then have GLIBC use a
: 64 bit value as its time_t, and hopefully fairly rapidly thereafter get that
: functionality to integrate into libraries and filesystems.
: Note that this might also provide a natural route to solution of the "large
: files problem."
: Unlike the other solutions, this *isn't* a "hack." If we can cope with the
: ambiguity until C gets fixed to specifically know 64 bits, then there's no
: need to have hacks that will cause the code to look unclean.
: As a wild prediction, I'll suggest the thought that Linux 2.4 is liable to
: be the point at which 2038 "compliance" should be sought.
Making C recognise 64 bit integers is the best solution. Making C do this
means just a compile. No wierd hacks like the backdate hack. The only hack
needed is in the compiler's code. Even if you did this and PCs were still
in use, look out. There's only one century bit. Guess what that means. The
hardware becomes the problem come Y2.1K. This means that the kernel would
have to backdate and remember where it is in time by /etc/backdate or a
backdate memory card of some kind. It would be trivial to build a backdate
card that'll outlast the 64 bit integer. A backdate card with only 256
bytes of nonvolitile RAM would outlast the universe. :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: 128 bit Netscape 4.08 built against glibc
Date: 20 Jan 1999 07:07:48 GMT
In <77vd71$2ma$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Martin) writes:
>> Netscape - buggy ? Only very slightly :-) Just try anything with Java
>> and watch it die.
>I just click on a mailto: url to close down. WOrks every time (grr).
I thought it was just 4.5 Is this a feature of 4.08 as well?
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From: Keith Brilhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Friendly ISP
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:18:29 -0500
Steven Rudolph wrote:
>
> Which of the national (North America) ISPs are friendly to Linux?
> Earthlink?, Mindspring?, Worldnet? etc.
> Thanks.
I'm with Mindspring. They have a server mirroring most of the linux
stuff...it's faster than any other connection I've found. They have a
document in support to explain how to script ppp (though I prefer to use
a dialer). They also have a newsgroup (mindspring.users.linux). So
they seem pretty friendly. You still can't call support with linux
questions, but they're moving in the right direction.
Keith Brilhart
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: having no /etc/fstab is not nice! -- please help
Date: 20 Jan 1999 07:21:56 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michael Phillips
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>When I boot from a disk I have created, I get the option to use linux or
>rescue from lilo. When I choose rescue it asks for a rescue disk. This
>is what I do not have.
>The system is RedHat 5.2 BTW.
The rescue disk is on the CDRom in /images/rescue.imgUse the rawrite
utility on the CDRom to write it to a floppy.
(/dos/rawrite.exe in dos)
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From: "Steven R. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: moving directory from one physical drive to another
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:07:02 -0500
I just recently purchased a SCSI outboard disk expansion chassis with a
4GB drive to allow my /usr directory to reside on it's own disk, moving
it from the /dev/sda internal main SCSI drive in my machine. The new
drive which is now installed as /dev/sdc1 (one large ext2 partition) is
the anticipated "target" for /usr.
This is not as trivial as I thought, so it seems. Before I trash my
entire system, please give me some guidance so that I can **safely**
move /usr from /dev/sda3 to /dev/sdd1.
Thanks, please reply by email.
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From: Hans van Zijst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware and Oracle 8
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:43:02 +0100
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Will the free download version of Oracle 8 run under Slackware?
> I've read that it there are versions of it available for Red Hat
> and SuSE but haven't heard much about running it on Slackware.
I don't think it will run under Slackware, at least not without a lot of
work. SuSE and Red Hat use different libraries than Slackware. Oracle was
compiled on these libs (glibc2) and so it won't run with libc5, which is
used by almost all other Linux distributions.
> What is involved in getting it to run under Slackware?
You should install glibc2 (also known as libc6). I've given it a shot and
failed. Getting the source and compile it isn't difficult, but be sure not
to "disable" libc5 or you'll be sorry.
> I am currently a FreeBSD user, thinking about running Linux too
> and this would probably make a difference in what distribution I
> go for!
In that case I would choose SuSE or Red Hat indeed :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Did Schmalensee write his written testimony?
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:31:31 GMT
In article <y%4p2.618$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marco Anglesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:26:22 PDT
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When the DoJ presented it case there were times when the press said
> > their witness hurt the DoJ by being poorly prepared or they conceeded
> > some points to MS. That's going to happen when a witness is left
> > without being fuly coached.
>
> Fully coached or well examined? Coaching a witness to give the desired
> answers is tampering; acquiring a full and reasonably complete knowledge
> of what a witness is going to or can say is entirely legitimate, and
> forestalling those areas by not touching them in direct examination is
> just good strategy.
Well said. I think MS articulated a defense position which their expert
witness is supporting.
> At the same time, MS has the money to hire the best
> lawyers available; they're going to be able to pull rabbits out of the
> hat, because that's what they're paid to do. They're probably going to be
> technically better and more experienced than many government lawyers,
> too, who get paid next to nothing.
The lead, Boies, is a private lawyer, he reduced his fee 50% to take this
case. He once lead the IBM anti-trust defense. Many who work for the
government do so for the experience to then gain employment in "big" law
firms. Many (like Boies) are involved in this case for its assumed legal
significance.
The rabbit-out-of the hat for MS seems to be at appeal. A place where the
extensive record MS is producing can be argued. IMHO MS's legal team has one
big problem, some of MS's execs seem to be "out-of-control".
> At the same time, having witnesses who concede minor points and who are
> superficially vulnerable makes them more credible; having witnesses who
> stick to unbelieveable points (such as Gates' deposition or Schmalensee's
> testimony) makes them incredible and even the valid points are hurt by a
> perceived untrustworthiness.
I do agree. This should be kept in mine as all witnesses are examined.
MS's current expert witness (they have few so this one really matters) is
sticking to some incredible conclusions regrading the PC market (or lack of).
The Gates deposition goes to show that you can hire the best but that doesn't
mean you'll follow their advice.
IMHO we'll see a lot of references to LINUX as a competitor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: cfdisk problem. help!!
Date: 20 Jan 1999 09:59:42 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>on that note, is there a way to run diskdruid other than in the
>installation? i looked on my redhat cd, but couldnt' find it... Diskdruid
>worked fine for me, when i installed...
>
Diskdruid is not programmed as a stand-alone program, but as a subprogram
within the installation program. Thus it is not accessible outside this
context.
Villy
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: to get SATAN...
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:59:32 -0600
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux,comp.security.unix,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.security,comp.security.firewalls,comp.security.misc
>>you may want to take a look at SATAN: System Administrator Tool for
>>Analyzing Network
>
>Where can this program be found ?? I am very interested in it too !
http://www.fish.com/satan/
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Info on Y2K compliancy ...
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:48:15 -0600
>I am using DLD version 5.4 of Linux(2.0.33). Please let me know whether
>it is Y2K compliant. If so could you refer to a document in the DLD
>package where the same has been specified?
The kernel itself is Y2K (Y2048?) compliant. However, individual programs
written by hundreds of individuals that come with Linux distributions of all
types may or may not be Y2K compliant.
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: moving directory from one physical drive to another
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:55:04 -0600
>I just recently purchased a SCSI outboard disk expansion chassis with a
>4GB drive to allow my /usr directory to reside on it's own disk, moving
>it from the /dev/sda internal main SCSI drive in my machine. The new
>drive which is now installed as /dev/sdc1 (one large ext2 partition) is
>the anticipated "target" for /usr.
>
>This is not as trivial as I thought, so it seems. Before I trash my
>entire system, please give me some guidance so that I can **safely**
>move /usr from /dev/sda3 to /dev/sdd1.
Depending on how much free space you want - you can always make a "tar"
archive of your /usr and its subdirectory (which also archives symbolic
links making it ultra-spiffy).
1) tar cvf /tmp/usr.tar /usr make sure /tmp (or wherever) has lotsa
space free
2) Change to the mount point of the new drive
3) tar xvf /tmp/usr.tar
4) Verify the existence of the new tar directory.
5) rm -rf /usr
6) ln -s {location of new usr directory} /usr
--
A utility called "cpio" can also do this - "man cpio" for all switches.
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [ newsgroups and moderation ]
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:45:29 -0600
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
[ snip ]
>Shouldn't that be "corrections of grammar"? (Couldn't resist.)
No problem - considering English is not my native language, and I happen to
live in the South - go fig.
>The real subject of this post is this: I noticed the crossposting
>to alt.linux & alt.os.linux and I'd like to know why anyone would
>want to use those newsgroups. Please summarize their differences
>from c.o.l.misc.
Absolutely agreed.
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