Linux-Misc Digest #740, Volume #18 Sun, 24 Jan 99 01:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux Server Console? ("Michael Lee Yohe")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: "Dumb" XTerminal (Rand McNatt)
Re: Netscape Communicator 4.5 (128bit) problem (Rajat Datta)
Re: Familiar with Linux vs. Trend Chip-Away? (Gary Momarison)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jeremy Crabtree)
Home Sites ("S�rgio Vale e Pace")
Home Network Guidance - Please (David Francis)
Re: how to start programming in Linux (David M. Cook)
Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Autofowarding based on interface? (Matt Kressel)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Netnerd")
Re: how to start programming in Linux ("Ima Maroon")
Re: Linux or FreeBSD? (Peter Johansson)
Re: Lilo Pbs ... (Andreas Schneider)
running Spice under Linux (David Morgan)
Rack Mounted Systems ("John A. Harding")
Re: Bash Script Programming
Re: A newbie versus "vi" (tony summerfelt)
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From: "Michael Lee Yohe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Server Console?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:08:18 -0600
>A "server console" which runs automatically on boot. It displays lots of
>useful info, on a text mode screen that would take insignicant processor
time
>to update:
*snip*
We have something like this running at work - it provides processor
statistics, memory etc. - yadda. I'll send you the details (when I get a
chance to see the setup).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:12:45 GMT
32 megs of RAM not being enough - that's disgusting. Linux is capable of
doing all sorts of advanced networking on my laptop, which only has 8 MB RAM.
the only limitation is my complete lack of knowledge of Linux. :)
even though i hate microsoft, i do think of Windows NT as a "serious" OS.
but its memory requirements are insane. they would be more reasonable if M$
didn't think you needed a damn GUI to do everything. for example, the Defrag
that comes with Win95 (non FAT32) is significantly bigger than the one with
DOS 6.22. not because it's improved, but because the whole thing is
graphical. why the f*ck does a DISK DEFRAGMENTER need to have a GUI? i can
understand it with games, www, or even word processing, but hard drive tools?
that's just ignorant.
-= [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=
> So, let analyse this a little more shall we?
>
> You leave a machine ALONE and for a WHOLE weekend, and it was running
> a PROGRAM all this TIME, and you complain after all this it ran out
> of virtual memory?????
>
> do you know that the program you left running all this time could have been
> consuming memory due to a memory leakage, and this resulted in what you saw??
>
> at least NT did manage to report the exact error it detected with a nice
> GUI based message on the screen instead of some arcane core dump file
> somewhere it wrote on the disk like Unix system do.
>
> Not only that, you ONLY had 32 MB of RAM !!!!!!!
>
> man, get yourself more RAM !!! I have 128 of RAM, and I still get insufficient
> memory error when I run few apps at the same time, and I am also using
> NT. Do you expect NT to run with no memory??? memory is like gas, and the
> OS is like a car. the longer the OS runs, the less gas will result, and the
> more gas you need.
>
> BOB
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rand McNatt)
Subject: Re: "Dumb" XTerminal
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:22:09 GMT
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:45:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.M. "Jersey"
Miszczyk) wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I would like to build a "dumb" X terminal based on Linux. The idea is
>to boot from Disk-on-chip, start X Terminal and..... run Citrix
>Metaframe Client window :)))). This way I can stay away from Windows
>NT licensing for the "dumb" terminal.
>What would be minimum storage (limited Disk-on-chip capacity) and
>memory requirements.
>Any comments will be appreciated :)))
>Best regards :)))
>Jersey
Look at
http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/index.html
for some ideas.
Have fun,
Rand
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rajat Datta)
Subject: Re: Netscape Communicator 4.5 (128bit) problem
Date: 24 Jan 1999 03:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:14:37 -0700,
Patrick O'Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Subsequently loading my homepage (http://tx.us.mirrors.freshmeat.net)
>crashed Netscape as before. This didn't happen before the freshmeat page
>format change.
I am getting this all the time. With me, I can sometimes get access
to Freshmeat, but other times Netscape will crash. And this definitely
started with the new Freshmeat format.
I have RH5.2 and Netscape Communicator 4.5 with 128 bit encryption. I
have tried both the Linux 2.0 (glibc) and Linux 1.2 versions, as well
as Netscape Navigator 4.08 and saw the same symptoms.
rajat
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Familiar with Linux vs. Trend Chip-Away?
Date: 22 Jan 1999 09:13:06 -0800
Seth Fultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
>
> It's been suggested to me that using Lilo instead of a boot disk might
> help, or it might not. I'd prefer to continue to use a boot floppy,
> though, since my wife uses only Windows, and would pester me endlessly
> if she has to go through any unnecessary steps like choosing an OS.
Reading that sort of thing makes a bachelor feel good. Thanks a lot.
You can setup it [geek speak] to boot the OS from hell unless someone
who isn't a spoiled baby holds down a certain key during a certain
phase of the boot process. Read the LILO docs.
But I'd guess that your virus detector considers any MBR (hard or
floppy disk) that doesn't look exactly like an M$ boot record to
be a virus. You could resort to use of "loadlin" if the virus
gizmo is important enough to you.
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/boot-loaders.html
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 24 Jan 1999 04:10:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netnerd allegedly wrote:
>
>Julian T. J. Midgley wrote in message
><78dhlo$ias$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>
>>Linux has another advantage. If I were to find a bug in the kernel, I
>>would be allowed to fix it myself and distribute the fix to other
>>people. If I find a bug in a Microsoft product (an almost weekly
>>occurence) I cannot fix it, because they will not provide me with the
>>source, nor let me distribute the fixed version.
>
>
>Thank God.
So...you're saying it's a /GOOD/ thing to be left unable to fix the system
when you find a bug?
(Here's a free hint, that's an untenable argument.)
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself
the difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts
that are not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: "S�rgio Vale e Pace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Home Sites
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:21:52 -0200
Hi,
I'm building a list of the homesites of the components of a basic linux
system, but I'm having problems to find some of then, in special man
(apropos, whatis, etc) and lilo.
If anyone can help i will apreciate
S�rgio
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Home Network Guidance - Please
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Francis)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:42:02 GMT
Hello:
I have just torn down a dedicated PPP internet connection with a block of
assigned IP addresses and moved the server to my office. Now, back at the
homefront, I have set up a brand-new RedHat 5.2 LINUX system...
My only Internet access now is a dynamicaly assigned IP address through a
dial-up connection. I want to set-up my LINUX box to dial-out on demand from my
Win9* boxes on the home LAN.
LINUX Box= 192.168.0.1
Win9* Box= 192.168.0.2
I don't need to be "spoon fed" the steps. I'd just like to get others input on
how they handle this routing scenario, security considerations, various
options, etc...
Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
David
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to start programming in Linux
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:35:24 GMT
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:16:26 -0700, Kelvin Leung
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am not a real programmer. I had some experience in C back in MSDOS age
>years ago. I would like to start writing some simulation software in Linux
>envirnonment. Can anyone tell me where should I start it? Should I write
>it in GNOME or KDE or both? I'm a Newbie and may be I am asking a dumb
>question. Please tell me. Thanks.
I have a page on developing under Linux at:
http://members.home.com/davecook/devel/
C isn't necessarily the best language for your task. You might look at
Python with the numpy extension.
For a GUI frontend I prefer Gtk (which I use with Python), but Qt probably
has better documentation right now.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs,comp.editors
Subject: Re: Linux keyboard? (For emacs use)
Date: 22 Jan 1999 19:17:16 +0100
Sven Utcke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As do many Germans. It is however easy to come up with examples (in
> German) which are very hard to understand or highly ambiguous without
> proper capitalisation. It seems that due to it's long history of
> making extensive use of capitalisation, German in it's present form
> can not easily be modified to do away with capitals.
It is easy to come up with sentences which are ambiguous *with* proper
capitalization. I think the infamous M$ Windows error message alluded
to in my signature qualifies for this :-) Not that ambiguity is
restricted to M$ software.
kai
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
From: Matt Kressel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Autofowarding based on interface?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:13:35 GMT
Kevin Currie wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am stuck behind a firewall that doesn't allow me to access my computer
> from off campus. However, I have access to a computer on campus runnin
> Linux that could do the forwarding for me. Does anyone know of something
> similar to ipautofw or ipportfw that would allow me to simply forward all
> packets that come in _on only one of the interfaces_ to another computer? I
> don't think ipfwadm can do this, at least not that I have been able to
> setup. Any hints or references (other than the howtos and man pages which I
> have read) would be apprecitated.
>
>
Use the "-W" option for ipfwadm to specify an interface. Dial into the
Linux box and you don't even need masquerading.
-Matt
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From: "Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:02:33 -0500
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Julian T. J. Midgley wrote in message
<78dhlo$ias$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>Linux has another advantage. If I were to find a bug in the kernel, I
>would be allowed to fix it myself and distribute the fix to other
>people. If I find a bug in a Microsoft product (an almost weekly
>occurence) I cannot fix it, because they will not provide me with the
>source, nor let me distribute the fixed version.
Thank God.
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From: "Ima Maroon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to start programming in Linux
Date: 22 Jan 1999 17:51:38 GMT
1. Get "C++ in 21 Days" or one of those type books.
2. Then get the KDE example application. KDE apps are object oriented
(C++) but the GTK ones aren't unless you use VDK or GTK--.
3. And go on from there.........
--
Ima Maroon
Kelvin Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Hello,
>
> I am not a real programmer. I had some experience in C back in MSDOS age
> years ago. I would like to start writing some simulation software in
Linux
> envirnonment. Can anyone tell me where should I start it? Should I write
> it in GNOME or KDE or both? I'm a Newbie and may be I am asking a dumb
> question. Please tell me. Thanks.
>
> Kelvin
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Johansson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux or FreeBSD?
Date: 22 Jan 1999 13:39:59 -0500
Benny K.Y. Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. Stability, stability, stability
FreeBSD all the way.
> 2. Java support
Doesn't really matter.
> 3. Support my SoundBlaster AWE 64
Linux does seem to have better sound support in general. I have no
idea how your card runs on either.
> 4. Able to view VCD
Whatever that is...
> 5. Simpler setup & management
They are both pretty much the same. A lot of people seem to like the
GUI admin tools that come with the redhat distro. If you hate GUI
config tools, FreeBSD is better in the fact that it keeps most systems
configurations in one file, rather than many sepatate files in /etc.
> 6. ...I don't quite want to give this condition but it feels to me it
> should really be taken into account: I'm a Berkeley student, not from
> Germany :-)
If you have any University loyalty, you'll deffinately want FreeBSD. ;-)
> I know that there is Linux emulation on FreeBSD but how well does
> that work? It would be terrific if anybody can tell me his/her
> experience on this issue.
The emulation is very good, but not complete. If you plan on running
any of the commercial Linux apps, you *deffinately* want to go with
Linux over FreeBSD.
Personally, I prefer FreeBSD over Linux, but given the support for
Linux in the mainstreem community (and the lack thereof for FreeBSD)
the choice of which one to use is becoming more and more difficult.
For a long time I swore I'd never run Linux on a server, but now that
Sybase is available *free* for Linux I am re-thinking that as well.
The only way to know for sure is to try them both. Or, you could just
toss a coin and if things work out, stick with what you've got. If
they don't, well, it's not like you paid a whole lot for either. And
since you are a student, especially one at Berkely, you should be up
for learning at any cost. ;-)
-p.
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From: Andreas Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,fr.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Lilo Pbs ...
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:52:34 +0100
Damien Ercole wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been trying to get LILO to work on my Hard Drive
> for 2 days now without any success ..so maybe someone
> can help me ...Here is my problem ...
<snip>
> * After I have finished the installation, the system
> ask me where I want to put Lilo ... and I answer on
> the MBR of hda. When I reboot to start ..... LILO
> stops right after the first L without any error code
> ... so I don't know what's happening .....
> Do I put the LILO at the wrong place ? Is there a
> compatibility problem with my Hard Drive ?
<snip>
from my experience, I can only suggest, that you toggle the
"linear"-option in /etc/lilo.conf .
I've seen this problem quite some times, and so far this has always
helped.
I hope it works for you, too.
btw.: don't forget running lilo after editing its configuration-file.
I keep forgetting this all the time...
Greetings,
Andreas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?
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From: David Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: running Spice under Linux
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:20:49 -0800
Reply-To: dwmorgan, at, oregontrail, dot, net
I would like to run spice 2-g6, a circuit simulator, under Linux. Spice
will run, but expects to get input from stdin. I don't want to have to
type in the simulation information at the command line. Can someone
tell me how to make it read a file, or make it think the file came from
stdin? It does not work to just put the file name after the command on
the input line.
thanks in advance for any help.
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From: "John A. Harding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Rack Mounted Systems
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:12:04 -0800
I need recommendations of any Rack Mounted Linux Systems commercially
available. I am in the process of selecting a 128 Intel Processor System
that will hopefully run Linux. It needs to be in a Rack Mounted System
supporting Gigabit ethernet.
Thanks for any suggestions or pointers,
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Bash Script Programming
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:20:11 GMT
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:27:55 -0500, Brian Kaczmarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm looking for good resources that describe bash programming in depth...
http://linux.oreilly.com looks like a good place to start....
Title: "Learning the Bash Shell"
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-Doug-
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tony summerfelt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A newbie versus "vi"
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 22 Jan 1999 14:26:04 -0500
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:13:02 +0100, Matthias Warkus wrote:
> Jed is very Emacs-like. Actually, it's a small Emacs emulator.
jed can be <insert fave editor here>-like if you want it to be...
i'd hesitate calling it an emacs emulator (you don't have lisp).
for those who want emacs without the bloat wouldn't microemacs be the answer?
--
.t
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