Linux-Misc Digest #815, Volume #18               Fri, 29 Jan 99 22:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: alternatives to Round Robin DNS (was Re: FreeBSD and Linux benchmarks) (Leslie 
Mikesell)
  Re: S3V or SVGA (iNoDE)
  Re: gcc vs egcs (Johan Kullstam)
  Re: How big is a tar file? (Johan Kullstam)
  Hiding process (Rafael Marcus)
  Re: X windows crash please help! (Bill Unruh)
  Re: Unable to mount cdrom
  scripts or program to build kernels (Laszlo Vecsey)
  Re: HELP!! Parallel tape drive setup question (C Sanjayan Rosenmund)
  Re: Kernel too big (Solved) ("Wael Sedky")
  Re: how to access RAM (Darren Greer)
  Re: Export Windows File System for Linux to Mount (David Efflandt)
  Re: when RedHat to ship 2.2.X? (Ken Witherow)
  alternatives to Round Robin DNS (was Re: FreeBSD and Linux benchmarks) (Mike Tancsa)
  Help, ISP setup! (William Gross)
  Re: other libc6 in RedHat than in SuSE? (Eoin)
  Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286 ("Charles Sullivan")
  Re: Command to switch tasks! (Steffen Kluge)
  linux help channel (lattin96)
  Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Sean)
  configuring mailx or pine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: linux help channel (Matthias Warkus)
  Help, ISP setup! (William Gross)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: alternatives to Round Robin DNS (was Re: FreeBSD and Linux benchmarks)
Date: 28 Jan 1999 22:28:21 -0600

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>What would be a comparable solution on a Linux or other Unixoid server
>>farm?
>
>
>Just a thought, but depending on the type of web application, you could
>probably do it in routing if you didnt want to do round robin DNS which as
>stated in the article does have its drawbacks when there is a server fault.
>Basically, its 'one IP address', and then on your router (hey, a UNIX box
>!), you could programmatically route the data in whatever pattern you so
>desire.  i.e. each server aliases lo0 to the 'single ip address' like Rod
>and Todd did. (e.g. lo0 is aliased to 192.168.1.1 irrespective of the
>individual ethernet addresses). Then your router alternates sending the
>data to the different servers and could be programmed to route based on
>availability of the servers, load avg, whatever....

Look at http://www.eddieware.org/.
  
Free, open source package for:
      IP Migration Application 
      Load-balancing DNS Server 
      Intelligent HTTP Gateway 
      Content Replication Application 

 Les Mikesell
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: iNoDE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: S3V or SVGA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:49:43 -0600

iNoDE wrote:

>         Another question is: with S3V i had:
> $ ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/X

it should be:
$ ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/X

> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           24 Jan 23 19:11 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
> -> /usr/X11R6/bin/Xwrapper
> after running xf86config for SVGA i got:
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           24 Jan 23 19:11 /usr/X11R6/bin/X
> -> /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA
> 
>         Is it ok...?  What is the Xwrapper?  Thanks


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Subject: Re: gcc vs egcs
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 29 Jan 1999 20:55:33 -0500

Frans Gumpu Slothouber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It's better, but you will have a more hard time compiling a new kernel.
> You will have to apply a patch to solve a bug in the kernel source
> code that is a problem for egcs and not for gcc.

you mean compiling an *old* kernel.  ;-)

i've been using egcs on 2.[12].x for a few months now.

(yes, i remember patching 3.0.3x to make it work before that.)

-- 
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!

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Subject: Re: How big is a tar file?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 29 Jan 1999 20:59:44 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Hunter) writes:

> >Am I missing something in the way tar cfz works?
> 
> Yes.  It works the other way around -- it tars the files (no
> compressed) and then compresses  the tar as a single file.  This allows
> marginally better compression, since meta-information is also
> compressed, but means that losing the stream is disastrous.

how does tar compress to tape or disk?  as in

tar cvzf /dev/fd0 files...

if you're using tar for backup to a tape, then you need streaming
compression on the data.

btw it's always bothered me that when reading, tar doesn't figure out
that the file has been compressed and just do the right thing.

-- 
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!

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From: Rafael Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Hiding process
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:02:22 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I run a Linux system (kernel version 2.0.27) and I have the following
problem:
I found processes that I am sure they are running (there are logs
updated every 10 min) but I can't see them when I do "ps -aux".
The process has a pid.* file and using the process number from this file
I can kill the process but I can't display it using "ps".
One of the prcesess hiding is an IRC eggdrop (IRC bot program) the
comunicates with the IRC server but I can't display it using "ps"
Any idea?
                            Thanks for your help.
                                   Rafael.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable,linux.redhat.misc,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: X windows crash please help!
Date: 30 Jan 1999 01:53:44 GMT


linux 3
at the lilo prompt will bring you up in level 3. Then change the default
level in /etc/inittab.


>I have a neomagic graphics card, in a gateway laptop. At the moment when I
>try to start linux it starts as normal but when it tries to start the X
>server, it cant and carries on trying, this stops me from logging in and
>correcting the problem, How do I stop the automatic starting of Xwindows? I

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Unable to mount cdrom
Date: 29 Jan 1999 04:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: When I go to mount my cdrom from user mount tool or by commands i get.
: mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected,mounting read only.

: mount: wrong fs,bad option,bad superblock on dev/cdrom or too masny file
: systems.
<<<<<<snip>>>>>>
Can you show us the exact command you type to mount it, and your 
/etc/fstab file? Those things would help to answer your question.

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From: Laszlo Vecsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: scripts or program to build kernels
Date: 29 Jan 1999 04:45:39 GMT

Just curious if theres a known program or set of scripts available for fetching 
the latest kernel versions, compiling with .config's and even setting up lilo entries
so things are set to boot when the need arises to try out a new kernel. Moves all the 
kernel
compile time to the early morning too, automated and out of the way.

I thought I'd ask before reinventing the wheel here, however small it might be. A more 
general utility might
even be useful, for dealing with other packages and version numbering schemes, etc.

-- 
-Laz.

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From: C Sanjayan Rosenmund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: HELP!! Parallel tape drive setup question
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:47:34 GMT

QIC 80 generally refers to Floppy type tape drives.  If you are looking
to install a Travan type drive, they are QIC 3020 (?) I would recommend
getting an internal one for the Linux box and just swapping tapes as
needed.


Dennis Putnam wrote:
> 
> Howdo I find the right protocol and driver for a Conner QIC-80 tape
> drive? I loaded 'paride' and tried the 'epat' protocol with both the
> 'pt' and 'pg' drivers but neither worked. Also, and this may be the
> cruix of the problem, what 'mknod' parameters do I use for creating
> the device file. Or at least where do I look to find out? TIA

-- 
Sanjay
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Windows has detected that a gnat has farted near your computer.
             Press any key to reboot.

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From: "Wael Sedky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]*>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Kernel too big (Solved)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:16:22 -0800

What do u mean? typing lilo?

Would it make any difference?
Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>G'day....
>
>> That is probably why, whenever I compiled my kernel and renamed it to
>> vmlinuz the system refused to boot.
>
>Did you think about re-running lilo?
>
>All the best...
>
>Michael.
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Greer)
Subject: Re: how to access RAM
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 01:25:03 GMT

Search Dejanews....this has been answered a million times.

Hint:   append="mem=

DrGreer





On 30 Jan 1999 01:11:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Siemel
Naran) wrote:

-->
-->Hello.  I just installed 128MB on my computer, up from 32MB that I had
-->previously, for a total of 160MB.  However, doing the 'free' command
-->gives me the following:
-->
-->[sbnaran@localhost] [~/Program/quick] >> free -m
-->             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
-->Mem:            62         61          1         18          0          8
-->-/+ buffers/cache:         53          9
-->Swap:           86         62         24
-->
-->It appears that I only have 62MB RAM.  What has happenned to the other
-->100MB?
-->
-->
-->-- 
-->----------------------------------
-->Siemel B. Naran ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
-->----------------------------------


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From: David Efflandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Export Windows File System for Linux to Mount
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:14:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 1/29/99, 3:31:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gravenhorst (remove=20
_ for reply)) wrote regarding Export Windows File System for Linux to=20
Mount:


> Is this possible?  I have Samba running, and I can work with that, but=

> there are times when it would be better if the Windows file system
> were exportable and NFS mountable on the Linux side.

> Any clues for me?  Thanks.

Have you heard of 'smbmount'?  I can access a cdrom on a Win95 machine=20
smbmount'd into a directory even via ftp or http depending upon where=20
it is mounted on the Linux box.

> -- Scott Gravenhorst
> -- FatMan Site: www.teklab.com/~chordman




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From: Ken Witherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: when RedHat to ship 2.2.X?
Date: 30 Jan 1999 02:04:29 GMT

Frank Hale wrote:
> Georg Schwarz wrote:
> >
> > When can we expect RedHat to release a distribution that is based on
> > the 2.2.X kernel? (probably their next release?)
> They're waiting until the patches and things for it simmer down. They
> don't want to pull another RH 5.1 and ship with a shitty kernel.
> 
> Anyway why would it matter when you can download the kernel and roll
> your own 2.2 system.

I read somewhere (don't remember the exact source) that Redhat would be
coming out with the next version in April.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Tancsa)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: alternatives to Round Robin DNS (was Re: FreeBSD and Linux benchmarks)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:58:03 GMT

On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:34:50 -0600, "Keith G. Murphy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>What would be a comparable solution on a Linux or other Unixoid server
>farm?


Just a thought, but depending on the type of web application, you could
probably do it in routing if you didnt want to do round robin DNS which as
stated in the article does have its drawbacks when there is a server fault.
Basically, its 'one IP address', and then on your router (hey, a UNIX box
!), you could programmatically route the data in whatever pattern you so
desire.  i.e. each server aliases lo0 to the 'single ip address' like Rod
and Todd did. (e.g. lo0 is aliased to 192.168.1.1 irrespective of the
individual ethernet addresses). Then your router alternates sending the
data to the different servers and could be programmed to route based on
availability of the servers, load avg, whatever....

        ---Mike
Mike Tancsa  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])              
Sentex Communications Corp,             
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

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From: William Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.protocols.ppp,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Help, ISP setup!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:25:54 -0600

Hello,

    I need some help, please.  I am running RedHat 5.2 on a a clone pc,
and I am trying to connect to my ISP which is called Integrity Online.
The problem is that they have a firewall, and I have never set Linux up
to deal with a firewall before.  I can successfully connect to my ISP,
it assigns me a dynamic ip address, as usual.  The problem is I cannot
get out to the internet.  Netscape tells me something like it cannot
find the proxy server that I have set up in it even though I know that
the proxy name is correct, it is the same info I use in NT 4.0 and Win95
and they connect and cruise fine.  I have pinged the firewall from my NT
and Win95 connections and have put the corresponding ip number in my
hosts file in order for their to be a dns resolution on my end.  If I
did not, Netscape complains that "proxy.iolusa.com is unknown" and will
not let me continue to configure it.  If I try to ping the firewall or
any valid internet address from my Linux connection, I get the error
from ping that the network is unreachable.  The protocol that I am using
is tcp-ip, of course.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I have
banged my head against this for awhile and have not gotten anywhere.
Thanks in advance.

                                                  Leroy


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eoin)
Subject: Re: other libc6 in RedHat than in SuSE?
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:49:02 GMT

Yes, you see SuSE 5.3 is based on libc5, not libc6. SuSE 6 is based on
libc6, however. The SuSE ftp site has the SuSE6 directories (I haven't
looked in them to download anything yet), but it apparently hasn't
been officially released yet since they are still shipping 5.3. I have
had quite a few problems like what you have when trying to run things
compiled for RedHat 5.x.



On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:57:18 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony J.
Breeds-Taurima) wrote:

>Karl Schmid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: Hi,
>
>: here is what I guess is a typical linux newbie question:
>
>: I installed a package of programs for comparing DNA sequences that were
>: compiled for linux RedHat5.1. When I start any of these programs, I get the
>: following messages:
>
>: (the name of the program is blastp)
>
>: ./blastp: error in loading shared libraries
>: /usr/i486-linux-libc6/lib/libc.so.6: undefined symbol: _dl_profile
>
>: The person who compiled the program told me that my SuSE 5.3 distribution
>: may use a different libc6 library.
>
>: Is there any way to get around this problem?
>
>Basically ask the programmer what version Of libc6 (glibc2) you should have 
>and get that version from sunsite.unc.edu (or closest mirror).
>
>There may also be a copy of the required version og glibc avail for SuSe BUT 
>you'd need to check out the SuSe site for that
>
>HTH Tony.


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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie help with Linux, IBM PS/2 30-286
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:45:48 -0500

If memory serves, the IBM PS/2 uses the microchannel bus, which is
not supported by Linux.

Seven wrote in message <78tbc3$kba$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello to all.
>
>A friend of mine gave me a Caldera OpenLinux 1.3 CD. He is insisting that
>I check out Linux as it is the future. I recently had a friend give me a
>IBM PS/2 model 30-286 PC and I wish to run Linux on this. In case you
>don't know or remember the specs of this ancient box, it has a 20 MB hard
>drive. I know Linux cannot run on a 286, however I have a chance to
>purchase an IBM PS/2 M30-286 Motherboard Upgrade w/486/66 and 8MB RAM.
>What I want to know is if this upgrade would be worth it to do as the hard
>drive is still only 20MB? I think the minimal installation for Linux is
>10MB and that you can't do squat with that. So how much better would 20MB
>be for Linux? If not, what hard drive would work in there and how much
>storage would I need to "get my hands dirty" with Linux? Or is it
>even worth it?
>
>Also, I would like to network this computer with my Dell Dimension XPS
>R350 as my friend is telling me that I should learn the networking
>capabilities of Linux. Does the motherboard upgrade have an ISA slot for
>an Ethernet card?
>
>Finally, if I DO go this route, how would I install the CD onto the IBM
>PS/2 (no CD-ROM drive)? Can I copy the files onto floppies and then
>install? If so, which files would that be?
>
>I guess I am looking for advice on what to do as much as what NOT to do.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffen Kluge)
Subject: Re: Command to switch tasks!
Date: 29 Jan 1999 15:59:27 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <78quck$npr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
daniel gowans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have been using Linux for a while, but I just forgot how, once you
>suspend a task, to resume it.  What is the command for this?

After you stopped a job (in shells with job control) you can
resume it either in the foreground (attached to the tty) or in
the background (detached from the tty) by typing fg or bg,
respectively.

Hope this helps
Steffen.

-- 
Steffen Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fujitsu Australia Ltd
Keywords: photography, Mozart, UNIX, Islay Malt, dark skies
--

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From: lattin96 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux help channel
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:03:51 +0000

I have made a new linux help channel on dal net the channel is
#linuxhelpers it is for people wanting to help or people in need of
help.with redhat,suse,slackware or other dist.and hardware answers
Thomas W


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From: Sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:05:51 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Wendel) writes:
> >
> > > On 22 Jan 1999 12:46:15 -0500, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >
> > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dillon Pyron) writes:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Agreed.  Look at the very disturbing trend now adays of hireing kids
> > > >> > out of high school who have no formal training.  Most of them
> > > >> > wouldn't know a b-tree if it bit them, or how to parse a formal
> > > >> > algebra (or even know what the hell I'm talking about).  But, what
> > > >> > the heck, why do something in 10 lines when I can do it in 25 and
> > > >> > let the faster processor take up the slack.
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course, such people used C++ in school, and probably answer the
> > > >> interview questions on C++ better than long term professionals that
> > > >> haven't used it much.  Plus they're lots cheaper.  Programming has
> > > >> become a commodity job - find the cheapest person that knows the
> > > >> syntax (or who has a certificate).
> > > >
> > > >as if C++ were a good tool for every job.  C and C++ are not good for
> > > >writing large applications.  they are simply too low level.  C++ is
> > > >especially bad since you give up the advantages of C (small size and
> > > >control) and reap few benefits (wishlist includes *decent* memory
> > > >management, buffer/array overrun protection, a macro facility - C++
> > > >templates and cpp #define are woefully weak when compared to lisp's
> > > >defmacro).
> > >
> > > ANSI c++ has excellent memory management, if one takes the time to use
> > > it... problem is, there isn't an MS based compiler/environment that is
> > > 100% ANSI compliant...
> >
> > C++ has rotten memory management.  pointers still get lost.  buffers
> > get overrun.  stacks get smashed.  allocated memory fails to get
> > reaped.  it's just far to easy to shoot yourself in the foot.
> >
> > as an example, say i have a vector class.  how do i choose if i want
> > it allocated as an automatic variable on the stack, as a static
> > allocated at start-up/compile time or for the memory to be malloc'd?
> > perhaps all this is do-able.  i don't know.  but C++ starts to get so
> > arcane and wordy that i don't want to use it any more.
> >
> > there are plenty of things C++ can't do.  for example how do you
> > change the sorting function on the fly?  say i have a list of integers
> > and wish to sort it by the standard <.  now i turn around and want to
> > sort on hamming weight (number of 1's in the binary representation).
> >
> > > too low level? I cut my teeth on ASM... doesn't get much more low
> > > level than that... t
> >
> > me too.  but i don't use ASM for everything.
> >
> > > Granted, the use of C/C++/ASM/ML requires more knowledge of the
> > > machines in question than a higher level language does, it also does
> > > produce crisper, tighter code that takes up a whole lot less space
> > > after compile/link....
> >
> > for a small program perhaps, but C has so little high level
> > functionality that you end up basically hand-unrolling loops.  if you
> > want small size code-wise a scripting language is much succinct.
> >
> > > true, c++ doesn't add a whole lot more functionality than c did, but
> > > surely you are not advocating switching wholesale to, say, something
> > > like Python, which, while it has its purposes, is more a scripting
> > > language...
> >
> > i am not advocating switching wholesale to anything.  quite the
> > contrary, i am saying that C and C++ aren't good for everything and
> > anything.  we should be switching to/using C and C++ wholesale either.
> >
> > --
> > Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
> >
>
> this thread has become quite pointless, if you hate microsoft, get your ass
> to a border's books or go to www.cheapbytes.com or what not and get and
> install linux or the non-MS OS of your choice, get a MAC if must, but bashing
> MS while you're using it as your OS is kinda silly...
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

I agree, while interesting, the focus of this discussion has lost it's original
topic. Sure, we all love to hate Microsoft, but as I sit here writing this using
Netscape for Linux/XFree86, my mind wanders over to the work I have to do later
using Windows NT, Visual Basic(blah!) and perhaps C++ to write a few dlls for a
customer who has never heard of Linux and thinks that programmers who don't work
for Microsoft are third party developers who write software to run under
windows. I play with Linux to learn UNIX so that someday I can I get a position
where we all hate Microsoft, but for now,. the reality is that MS is used by a
hell of a lot of people and I make most of my money as a consultant using my
knowledge of MS products. I have to date never been asked to write software for
a customer using anything but an MS based scheme. (Though I have suggested it
time and time again, I just can't convince the average masses to swicth!) I
despise Windows 95/98, but I keep it around to run the games my relatives keep
buying for my kids. I have a marginal dislike of Windows NT, but use it all the
time to get work done. I love Linux, but I spend most of my time reading about
it and sorting through the mess of constanly changing standards and software
upgrades out there. I want to use GNOME and Offix, but have yet to get them
working correctly. I'm not blaming the developers. It's stated everywhere on
their sites that it's new, alpha software. In fact, when I finally do get it
right, it will probably give me a major woody and this where my love of Linux
comes from :>). Participating in new software designs and concepts is the
hallmark of using Linux, (or other free OS's for that matter), but for those of
us that learned Windows first and teach ourselves everything at home, it's
sometimes hard to commit to using Linux fulltime. I dream of the day when
Microsoft is just an another archaic term for old, out of date software, but
sadly theat day has not come yet.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: configuring mailx or pine
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:27:36 -0600

I can get mail from my ISP using netscape (on my redhat 5.1 box) but how
do I configure my system to use mailx or pine for my ISP mail?
Thanks,



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:37:33 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the 29 Jan 1999 13:53:44 -0800...
..and Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > And if you're an idiot, being
> > American only makes you an AMERICAN idiot.  Which we have our fair share of.
> 
> Yep.  We in America produce the world's best idiots!

Right!

mawa
-- 
Matthias Warkus    |    [EMAIL PROTECTED]    |    Dyson Spheres for sale!
My Geek Code is no longer in my .signature. It's available on e-mail request.
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: linux help channel
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:44:23 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the 29 Jan 1999 20:47:06 GMT...
..and Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:03:51 +0000, lattin96 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have made a new linux help channel on dal net the channel is
> >#linuxhelpers it is for people wanting to help or people in need of
> >help.with redhat,suse,slackware or other dist.and hardware answers
> >Thomas W
> >
> 
> My experience with most irc channels is that most people
> get on there and sit and bullshit most of the time and 
> DAMNED FEW questions ever get answered. Either that or you
> get treated like a complete embicile, or you get ignored,
> or you get insulted.
> 
> I've seen damned few help channels on irc used the way 
> they are supposed to be used.

#linux is quite a good channel[*]. They've got bots to automatically kick
most annoying people, a FAQ bot, FTP server query bots, stuff like that, and
there's always what seems to be at least a dozen operators hanging around.

You really get your questions answered there.

mawa

[*] I don't know the net, whatever net irc.uni-erlangen.de belongs to
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Matthias Warkus    |    [EMAIL PROTECTED]    |    Dyson Spheres for sale!
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From: William Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Help, ISP setup!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:50:32 -0600

Hello,


    Correction to my post listed below, i.e. my last post.  I am using
the ppp protocol.  Sorry.

                                            Leroy



_______________________________________________________________
Hello,

    I need some help, please.  I am running RedHat 5.2 on a a clone pc,
and I am trying to connect to my ISP which is called Integrity Online.
The problem is that they have a firewall, and I have never set Linux up
to deal with a firewall before.  I can successfully connect to my ISP,
it assigns me a dynamic ip address, as usual.  The problem is I cannot
get out to the internet.  Netscape tells me something like it cannot
find the proxy server that I have set up in it even though I know that
the proxy name is correct, it is the same info I use in NT 4.0 and Win95

and they connect and cruise fine.  I have pinged the firewall from my NT

and Win95 connections and have put the corresponding ip number in my
hosts file in order for their to be a dns resolution on my end.  If I
did not, Netscape complains that "proxy.iolusa.com is unknown" and will
not let me continue to configure it.  If I try to ping the firewall or
any valid internet address from my Linux connection, I get the error
from ping that the network is unreachable.  The protocol that I am using

is tcp-ip, of course.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I have
banged my head against this for awhile and have not gotten anywhere.
Thanks in advance.

                                                  Leroy




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