Linux-Misc Digest #366, Volume #19 Mon, 8 Mar 99 08:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Does Linux support Memory Mapped Files? (Alan Gauld)
Re: X server for NT 4.0 ("Andy Piper")
Re: best offline newsreader? (Chris Lee)
strange goings on... (Eric Mosley)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (brian moore)
Re: Mounting Drives on a Win9x computer (Chris Mahmood)
Re: More bad news for NT (Jason Clifford)
Re: running executable from cdrom? (Chris Mahmood)
Re: More bad news for NT (Jason Clifford)
what "rc" scripts exist for linux? (M Sweger)
Re: bvi 1.1.0 - binary editor based on vi (Gerhard Buergmann)
External AOLServer database driver for InterBase released (Sebastian Skracic)
Re: HELP! D drive disappeared after installed RedHat5.2 (John Thompson)
Re: More bad news for NT (Justin The Cynical)
mailer daemon for me (virgil)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Monte Milanuk)
Re: UNIX/Linux book request for SysAdms (Mihalis Tsoukalos)
Re: YOU WONT BELEIVE THIS BUT ITS TRUE!!! (Keith Davey)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Keith Davey)
Using lynx... How? ("Atsushi Nakagawa")
Re: nntp servers (Jason Clifford)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Nicolas Blais)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (David Damerell)
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From: Alan Gauld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux support Memory Mapped Files?
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 11:07:27 +0000
Spicy wrote:
> Does Linux have the capability to support Memory Mapped Files like in
> NT? If so where can I find some documentation on this?
Dunno sorry.
> Also, what are the good development environments for Linux have been
> using Visual Studio On NT whats available on Linux
Linux is the development environment. This concept takes a little
getting used to if you come from a PC world but after you get
used
to it going back to an 'Integrated Development Environment' on a
PC is hellish!
Use multiple windows, vim/emacs, grep, ctags, prof, tcov, (x)gdb,
etc.
If you must use an IDE then emacs provides a good start with its
built in compile, next-error, debug capabilities. There is also a
Borland C(DOS vintage) IDE called (x)wpe. But frankly a good
multi tasking OS(like Linux) with a large command set(like Linux)
makes for a much more productive development environment than any
IDE.
Its why we develop MFC apps for NT on Unix (using Bristols MFC
to Unix port).
> What kind of Source Management is available, currently using
> SourceSafe on NT. Does linux only have RCS?
RCS is superior to SourceSafe IMHO. But for bigger projects
you probably want to use CVS. Check out the VC package on
emacs for an integrated editing/CM interface.
> What tools will work best for cross development on NT and Linux
Python/Tkinter? :-)
I don't know if Broistols MFC port is available on Linux but
it certainly is for Solaris/SCO/HP/Ux etc. And works.
Alan G.
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From: "Andy Piper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X server for NT 4.0
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:45:34 -0000
Reply-To: "Andy Piper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Michael Shoemaker wrote in message <7bp8ip$sgf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Do any of you know of an xserver that will run on NT 4.0?
Commercially, there's eXceed - which is excellent. It's got huge amounts of
other stuff bundled in with it too - telnet, ftp, it's scriptable... well
recommended.
Freeware, try MI/X which is in the 'Free Downloads' section at
http://www.microimages.com/
Andy
--
Andy Piper
Technical Analyst, Middleware Development Group
phone: (01252) 528957 or (0780) 109 1431
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
** All views expressed are my own! **
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 10:50:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>On 7 Mar 1999 19:14:16 GMT, "Michael Faurot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>Then just bite the bullet and learn to use a differnt package such as
>>slrn. If, as you say, your "whole point of installing Linux is a
>>change of perspective" then forget about Agent and use something that
>>is native to Linux.
>
>Yes, that's the best idea, and I'm willing to go with something new
>and different, but not something that's new and crap (to be brutal)
To be brutal, Agent is crap. Thank god there's nothing that as badly thought
out as Agent for linux.
>
>OK, I'm not expecting it to be fantastic, but I have seen and
>downloaded some Linux apps, that are designed brilliantly, and have
>the same quality feel & design that has been lavished on Win95 apps
>over the last few years....
>
>It's odd, but it almost seems like it needs win95 app programmers, who
>are up to speed on the latest refinements, to start working in Linux.
So there can buggy newsreaders like Gravity which crash if you breathe
too hard for linux? No thank you very much
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Mosley)
Subject: strange goings on...
Date: 8 Mar 1999 11:33:36 GMT
Hi,
It all started last friday, ps started to core dump.
Then I come in Monday and it wont boot, all files in /var are gone, and
/etc/passwd is now /etc/passwd- !?
This does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling...
Any clues?
Eric
PS. RedHat5.1 2.0.34 , fully networked...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: 7 Mar 1999 20:04:26 GMT
On Sun, 07 Mar 1999 05:43:42 -0500,
Adam Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dont have the details next to me, but in the latest Mac World magazine there
> is a whole article on Linux for the Mac [PowerPC]. And the biggest suppries I
> found was that Apple was openly working on a 'Mac OS X' which runs the linux
> kernel beneath the Mac OS exterior if I'm not mistaken. If someone knows more
> please correct me.
Well, MacOS X isn't Linux. It's based on NeXT's Unix (which in turn is
based on the CMU Mach kernel).
It is Unix(without-the-TM), though.
Apple did pay for this: http://www.mklinux.apple.com/, a port of Linux
to the Mac, using much the same structure (ie, a microkernel like Mach)
as MacOS X will use.
And, yes, this means the last holdout from basing their systems on Unix
concepts is Microsoft. (Just as C is called a 'portable assembly
language', Unix is the most portable OS.)
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting Drives on a Win9x computer
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:04:29 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
samba, pc-nfs
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:26:49 +0000
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, it was written:
> >There is nothing in the Windows 95 interface that was not present in the
> >Apple Mac interface in 1991 and earlier. The GUI itself was invented and
> >widely used on non-PC systems many years before MS released any version of
> >Windows.
> >
> It is just better in Windows95, 98, and NT4. Yup... the GUI was dreamup at
> Xerox's PARC facility from whence many great ideas come.
Yes I know that Xerox invented the computer GUI as we now know it.
I disagree with you about the GUI in Win9x being just better than the
MacOS one or indeed many others. However that is a matter of personal
preference and is something that should be possible and easy to change
(although it is most certainly not well known that it is easy to change
under Win9x as I expect MS don't want that information to be widely
known).
In any event I don't use MS Windows so it's not my problem.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Chris Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: running executable from cdrom?
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:03:51 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
from the 'mount' man page:
user Allow an ordinary user to mount the file system.
Th option implies the options noexec,
nosuid, and node (unless overridden by
subsequent options, as in the
option line user,exec,dev,suid).
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:33:27 +0000
On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Jon Wiest wrote:
> Jason Clifford wrote in message ...
> >There is nothing in the Windows 95 interface that was not present in the
> >Apple Mac interface in 1991 and earlier. The GUI itself was invented and
>
> Yes, and? This is such a tired old rant. Just what is your point?
My opsting was in direct response to a claim that MS had introduced
something significant in the Win9x interface which had not been present
previously.
> Are you against widespread adoption of a GUI?
No, however I do contend that a GUI is not necessarily the best or easiest
interface for most computer usage.
> Does it bother you that someone made money using a public idea? Better
> get ready to shit all over RedHat. With
> all the deals they've made with Compaq, Dell and IBM you can bet they are
> going to make it big. Linux will never be the same.
I really don't care how someone else makes their living so long as they
are honest about it. Do you remember all the `you stole our GUI' lawsuits
that flew between MS and Apple? Both companies claiming responsibility and
ownership of something neither had anything to do with inventing.
As for Red Hat and others entering into strategic partnerships with large
corporate bodies to promote and extend Linux there is nothing wrong there
and I have not suggested that there is.
Perhaps you should restrain your imagination when reading other people's
postings so that you respond only to what they have written rather than
making up problems with their posting that simply were not there!
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: what "rc" scripts exist for linux?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 11:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I was just wondering what types of "rc" scripts exist out there for
Linux and what tar file names they go by? I.E SysV vs. BSD style.
Presently Redhat seems to use SysV whereas slackware uses BSD. I'll
assume there is also a version that is a cross between SysV and BSD
for linux.
I'm trying to rebuild the Linux system from the ground up, but don't
know the "rc" script package names or which of the ways is best.
Thanks
--
Mike,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Gerhard Buergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bvi 1.1.0 - binary editor based on vi
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:40:01 +0100
Joe Dumais wrote:
>
> > Bvi is a display-oriented binary editor based on vi(1) texteditor.
> > It uses commands similar to the commands of the vi(1), with some
> > changes dependent of their different tasks.
> >
> > Bvi can be downloaded from http://bvi.linuxbox.com/
> >
>
> I tried to go to http://bvi.linuxbox.com. No such address was found.
> Is the address correct?
>
Please download from
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/editors/bvi-1.1.0.src.tar.gz
A mirror of my web pages can be found at
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/bvi/html/ (no downloads).
NOTE:
*) Due to a mistake the package untars into the current directory.
Please create a subdirectory "bvi-1.1.0" first!
*) On some versions of Linux you get an error:
"bvi.h:80: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'"
In this case please comment out line 80 of bvi.h !
Thanks, Gerhard
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From: Sebastian Skracic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: External AOLServer database driver for InterBase released
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 11:14:55 +0100
Excerpts from
<URL:http://www.lavsa.com/sskracic/aolinterbase/>
External database driver
This driver is implemented as standalone executable. Once started,
it acts as a database proxy daemon which translates AOLServer
database requeste into InterBase specific API calls. AOLServer
communicates with proxy daemon via TCP/IP, so they can be running
on different hosts.
By separating external driver to another host, we can access
databases for which no client library is available on platform
AOLserver runs. An example for this would be InterBase 4.0 running on
Linux host which we want to connect to AOLServer running on Solaris
box. Let's assume that InterBase client library is not available
for Solaris. So we build external db driver on Linux host using
available Linux InterBase client library. Now AOLServer on Solaris
and proxy daemon on Linux can talk to each other using AOLServer's
database-independent external data source protocol.
.... and the bad news:
Development of internal version is abandoned because InterBase client
API is not thread safe. Therefore, if you're still using it, you
are urged to migrate to external version.
.... however:
You can still use the same InterBase datasource and the same C/Tcl
scripts you developed so far.
Regards,
Sebastian Skracic
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP! D drive disappeared after installed RedHat5.2
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 21:27:39 -0600
Synapse Man wrote:
>
> Hi. Here's the situation. My friends got Win98, and one HDD partitioned
> into C- and D-drives.
>
> He installs RedHat 5.2, and then under Win98, loses his D-drive. The
> icon for D-drive is still there, but it reports "drive not ready",
> "invalid drive specification" or something like that.
>
> I suspect that the D-drive partition is gone and needs to be
> re-formatted, but I am not sure at all.
>
> What's happening? What should he do now?
Chances are all that happened is that the partition is now
formatted for ext2, which Windows doesn't recognize. When
it tries to read the partition it doesn't understand what it
finds and therefore returns the error message.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin The Cynical)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: 8 Mar 1999 12:00:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 16:59:39 GMT, Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
->In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
->Jason Clifford wrote:
->>There is nothing in the Windows 95 interface that was not present in the
->>Apple Mac interface in 1991 and earlier. The GUI itself was invented and
->>widely used on non-PC systems many years before MS released any version of
->>Windows.
->
-> Not that it matters, because Windows didn't steal its UI from
->Mac anyway. (At least not the pre-4.0 versions of Windows.)
Hmmm.... IIRC (this was many years ago), Apple sues M$ over the
'look and feel' of Windows 2.0. M$ releases 3.0/3.1/3.11, which looks totally
different from 2.0 (and IMO looks more like a Mac). Next, Win 95/98 is
released, and it get the nickname of someing to the effect of MacOS '87.
->They stole it from a Xerox interface.
Huh? This is a pathetic response. This is so bleeding nit-picky it's
unbelievable. This, IMO, just proves that you lost the debate and are nothing
more that a M$ groupie and appoligist. And besides, if you want to apply this
kind of logic, I would argue that M$ did not steal it from Xerox, since Apple
already 'stole' the idea from Xerox to begin with.
--
"NT disk, meet Mr. Microwave."
David Parsons in comp.os.linux.advocacy (e-mail addy deleted for spam reasons)
Justin The Cynical - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: virgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: mailer daemon for me
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 11:18:34 +0100
i am searching for a mailer demon which can handle multiple domains
(mail domains like "@dom1.com" and "@dom2.com") for incoming and
outgoing mails.
thanks,
horst kapfenberger
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Monte Milanuk)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:09:08 -0600
Well, my problem so far w/ balsa is that it keeps barfing on ./configure
saying that I don't have a certain library or file, which I most certainly
do. Doesn't do me much good until I can figure out how to compile it. I
may have to just backup my download and root directories and reinstall, as I
have been farting around w/ so many different email readers, most of which
don't seem to use the same mail box format, that my directory is a mess, and
my mail is scattered btwn myriad various files, and quite honestly, I'm not
sure how to recover it into one usable file. Plus all the garbage scattered
around from the installs and attempted installs.
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:20:08 +0000, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Sun, 7 Mar 1999 03:58:47 -0600...
>...and Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Everyone keeps telling me how wonderful slrn is for newsreading, and how
>> great mutt is for email. I don't have any useful experience w/ either, yet.
>> I am still trying to get the darn things configured so they are a) readable,
>> b) not so damn ugly.
>
>Hm, probably your distribution didn't come with a properly prepared
>slrnrc and .muttrc. My SuSE came with a very nice .slrnrc, but I had
>to configure mutt myself to get colour.
>
>> I am waiting for PerUser and Balsa to become fully
>> functional, but in the meantime, here's an idea: is there anyone reading
>> this discussion that has the interest (besides me), and the ability
>> (definitely not me!) to write a Gtk+ front-end for these great pieces of
>> software, kinda like what the gmc package does for Midnight Commander.
>
>Balsa is based on libmutt. That is, the very core of mutt. Balsa is
>nearly what you are proposing.
>
>mawa
>--
>He who tells the truth should have one foot in the stirrup.
> -- Armenian proverb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mihalis Tsoukalos)
Subject: Re: UNIX/Linux book request for SysAdms
Date: 8 Mar 1999 12:17:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The following book is very good:
UNIX system administration handbook,
prentice hall.
mihalis.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: What do you recommend that I purchase as an authorative, concise book about
: UNIX/Linux System Administration books? I have seen a lot, but does anyone
: out there who is a UNIX SysAdm have a book that they would recommend?
: -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
: http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
--
----
Mihalis Tsoukalos email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Software Engineer INTRASOFT S.A.
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From: Keith Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.hackers.malicious,microsoft.public.frontpage.client,alt.windows98
Subject: Re: YOU WONT BELEIVE THIS BUT ITS TRUE!!!
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:18:02 -0700
doobie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What rock did you climb out of, and is it still there so you can crawl back
> under it ??? Regards... :-p
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
> <7bt3in$7rj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
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>>
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>>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
O GOD! They have started to invade even the linux groups....
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From: Keith Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.rpm,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:21:19 -0700
In comp.os.linux.misc John Varela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:00:38, Werner Kliewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The UNIX and therefore Linux version of this, as invented by Xerox (hence
>> the name) and since enhanced over about 20-30 years is called X-Windows.
> The New Hacker's Dictionary definition of X: "An over-sized, over-featured,
> over-engineered and incredibly over-complicated window system developed at MIT
> and widely used on Unix systems.
> http://www.outpost9.com/reference/jargon/jargon_toc.html
> --
> John Varela
> (delete . between mind and spring to e-mail me)
I hate to bust your bubble on such an irelevent point, but X was NOT
developed by Xerox it was developed by MIT. It was a rewrite of an earlier effort
called Y which had its roots in a project called W. That is how X got its
name.
keith davey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Atsushi Nakagawa" <s355806@student.(no_spam)uq.edu.au>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux
Subject: Using lynx... How?
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 22:39:37 +1000
Hello,
How do I, using lynx, download a file 'raw' without any post-processing? I
want to get lynx to ignore the MIME/type (no sure if the right terminology)
and just download the file 'as is' to the destination --without any 'line
break adding' and post-processing, and other things it might do.
Thanks in advance.
--
Atsushi Nakagawa
([EMAIL PROTECTED](no_spam).edu.au) (remove (no_spam) when using)
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: nntp servers
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:38:19 +0000
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, David Wall wrote:
> Anybody have a reference to a good nntp news server? I'm running RedHat
> 5.2, but I couldn't see any nntp in the packages, though it could be under a
> name I'm not expecting.
>
> I'd like to setup a news server on my system for people to talk about topics
> related to day trading stocks, as well as using it for a short-term bulletin
> board for friends, co-workers, etc.
The standard nntp server is INN. It is used in tens of thousands of ISPs
and other sites and is VERY powerful.
Note however that it is not trivial to set up. You will need to read the
documentation. I understand that O'Reilly now offer a book for INN which
may be worth a look.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Nicolas Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:37:44 -0500
Microsoft is shit, Linux is crap and FreeBSD rules. A Windows vs
FreeBSD comparasion is like comparing a Free Ferrarri and a 90,000$ Lada.
Nicolas Blais.
Frank Crary wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I don't know which is better, FreeBSD or Linux, but I think we can all
> >agree that these two collectively kick Windows' ass. Here are the areas
> >in which FBSD & Linux are better than Windows:
> >...
> >* Multitasking -- Windows 98 multitasking is still a joke.
>
> I think multiple users is equally important. Last time I checked,
> Windows (95, 98 or NT) doesn't allow more than one user to be on
> the machine at a time, and support for remote access is between
> poor and non-existent. On my FreeBSD box at work, I have one
> user on from console more or less constantly, one or two
> who log on remotely and start running few-hour run time processes
> in the background, then log out, and myself pulling up windows
> and running processes from another machine. Even so, we aren't
> using 100% of the CPU time, 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
> although we often come close. If we could only have one user
> on at a time, we couldn't even get close to using 100% of the
> available CPU time, and that means we would not get getting anything
> close to the computational power we paid for.
>
> >Here are some areas in which Windows is still better than FBSD and
> >Linux:
>
> >* better books on programming, systems programming, etc. I don't think
> >there's any books out there on specifically programming for FreeBSD
> >(although Stevens' book might be close).
>
> That's the great thing about unix, especially BSD-based unix. To a
> very large extent, things like programming and the user environment
> are not operating system specific. The O'Rielly books aren't
> specifically about FreeBSD, but their book on computer security
> is largely applicable; their books on sed and awk, csh and tcsh,
> etc. are completely applicable. Books on 4.* BSD unix apply to
> FreeBSD for the most part. Since FreeBSD and Linux are similar
> to unix operating systems in general, you don't need lots and
> lots of books specifically about FreeBSD or Linux. (This is more
> true of FreeBSD when it comes to system administration details,
> since it is BSD version 4.4 unix, while Linux is neither BSD nor
> System V unix, and can't rely on general BSD or System V documentation
> as much.)
>
> >* Microsoft Office is less bloated than Star Office.
>
> And I care for what reason? Seriously, this is a very use-specific
> issue. I do computational physics for a living; I and my users
> have other machines available if we need something like Microsoft
> Office (although we use Macs and an SGI, rather than a machine
> running Windows.) The difference between MS Office and Star Office
> is of absolutely no importance to us, since we have no need of either.
> The same is true of anyone using a PC as a server. So your point
> is a problem for certain uses, rather than a general difference
> between Windows and the various PC implementations of unix.
>
> Frank Crary
> CU Boulder
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Damerell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: 08 Mar 1999 11:00:23 +0000 (GMT)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David A. Frantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi Robert;
>Robert Billing wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>David Fox wrote:
>>>You could get a Pentium 233MMX thinkpad 560X from Micro Warehouse for
>>>$1299.
>>Look, chaps, if you are going to crosspost to uk.comp.os.linux, could
>>we have the prices in sterling as well please? Btw I have just picked up
>>a Libretto, that runs Linux very well, for �600 (that's about $1000).
>The GreenBack, the American Dollar, is ubiquitous. It should be as
>familiar as the rising sun in any first world country, second and third
>world I'm not to sure about.
Er, no. Countries without strong currencies of their own tend to have more
need for the dollar. I've only ever used dollars or even known the
exchange rate while travelling.
Leaving your stupid 'America is the center of the universe' attitude
behind, the point is partly that US prices cannot be directly translated
into UK prices; the exchange rate doesn't provide an accurate idea of what
the UK price would be. In a crossposted thread like this, US specific
prices should not be sent to UK newsgroups.
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