Linux-Misc Digest #372, Volume #19 Mon, 8 Mar 99 18:13:19 EST
Contents:
Re: SHMMAX for Linux (Joel R. Kallman)
Re: Moving /home to /usr/home ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Linux Safeguards for the Consumer? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: best offline newsreader? (Paul-S)
Used WWW.DEJANEWS.COM ! (concord)
Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (Type your name here)
DNS on Linux (Juan Guevara)
Re: Advertisement: Domain name 'linux-software.net' for sale (Brian McCauley)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Mathew A. Hennessy)
Re: Fundamental Linux Install/Troubleshooting Training ("Randall E. Williamson")
Re: Help: slrnpull (Dan Hogan)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info ("Wilson Fletcher")
Re: tar_cat???? (Konrad Mierendorff)
2.2.2 and parport (Ajit Krishnan)
Re: Moving /home to /usr/home (Bill Unruh)
xdm (Matt Cobley)
Update of V.E.R.A. acronym list (Oliver Heidelbach)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Matthias Warkus)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel R. Kallman)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.databases.oracle.misc
Subject: Re: SHMMAX for Linux
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:13:19 GMT
On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:16:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>hello everyone, i'm trying to get a version of Oracle8 Server to work on my
>Dell PowerEdge 4300 running Redhat Linux 5.2. I recompiled the kernel so
>that SHMMAX, SHMMNI and all that memory thing required by Oracle. Anyway, is
>there a way that I can verify how much SHMMAX has allocated on the system?
>thanks khai
Use the command "ipcs" to do this. If you want to look at just the
shared memory that has been allocated, execute "ipcs -m", as in:
oracle:/usr/local/oracle> ipcs -m
------ Shared Memory Segments --------
key shmid owner perms bytes nattch status
0xf936dfac 5505 oracle 640 11747328 7
0x00280267 4610 root 644 102400 0
Keep in mind that SHMMAX and SHMMNI are used to indicate maximums (max
size of shared memory segment, max # of shared memory segments in
system). Just by setting these values doesn't necessarily mean that
this much shared memory will be allocated all at once.
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Thanks!
Joel
Joel R. Kallman
Oracle Service Industries
Columbus, OH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oracle.com
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The statements and opinions expressed here are my own
and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation.
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Moving /home to /usr/home
Date: 08 Mar 1999 17:10:50 -0500
gbh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
gbh> I'd like to move my /home directory to /usr/home and would like
gbh> to know the correct way to do it and what problems this may
gbh> create.
gbh> The reason I wanted to do this is because the partitions will
gbh> all reside on one disk that is not terribly large. I need to
gbh> create large temporary image files (500+ MB) occasionally,
gbh> and if I divide up the disk into partitions of several hundred
gbh> MBs each, none will be large enough to hold the images. There
gbh> seems to be a lot of wasted space left over in each partition.
gbh> Given my requirements how would you change this partitioning scheme?
gbh>
gbh> / 32 MB
gbh> /usr 200 MB
gbh> /usr/local 1000 MB
gbh> swap 64 MB
gbh>
gbh> With /var, /home, and /tmp linked to /usr/local? BTW I'm the
gbh> only user of the machine with a dialup connection to the Internet.
Yeah, given those requirements that's not entirely unreasonable. Make
sure (particularly for the new /tmp) that you have the same
permissions as are on the original directory.
gbh> The question I have for you is, if /usr doesn't change then
gbh> why do you allocate more space than you do for /var, /home,
gbh> and /usr/local? It seems that once you install it, /usr would
gbh> not need any more than the few hundred MBs used for installation.
It depends on how much stuff you have installed on your system. My
root, /usr, /home, and /usr/local partitions are all about half full;
/var could be smaller but downloads of Debian packages tend to wind up
there. So I seem to have the right partitioning scheme for my
system. :-) (That /var, /home, and /usr/local are on a
less-than-reliable hard drive is another story...why doesn't anybody
sell ~1GB hard drives anymore?)
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"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Safeguards for the Consumer?
Date: 8 Mar 1999 17:45:35 GMT
In his obvious haste, Benjamin Sher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: QUESTIONS:
: 1 -- ROOT MODE SAFEGUARDS:
: Are there any safeguards (either command-line or by way of the GUI) against
: accidentally hitting the wrong key combination while in "root" mode? Does
: hitting such a combination of keys really result in destruction of your
: system (as opposed to "merely" requiring a reinstallation of Linux?
Nothing I've seen can result in something that can't be fixed by
reinstallation.... Certainly not a random keypress accident.
Viruses have been known to destroy hardware by thrashing motors or burning
out monitors, but they are few and far between (and highly unlikely to cause
serious problems) in Linux because you shouldn't be logged on as root at any
time when a virus might infect you.
: 2 -- SHUTDOWN SAFEGUARDS:
: I am planning to buy a battery to protect me from power failures, etc.
: Makes a lot of sense. But what about human error? Inadvertently hitting the
: power button to shut down the system. I understand that fsck or File System
: Checker is the LInux equivalent of Scan Disk. Is it a sufficient safeguard
: against human error?
It tends to be fine. It's cleaned up a few unclean unmounts on mine.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul-S)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:24:49 GMT
On 8 Mar 1999 10:50:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee) wrote:
>
>To be brutal, Agent is crap. Thank god there's nothing that as badly thought
>out as Agent for linux.
>
I don't really understand why you say this, perhaps we have different
needs from a newsreader. For the way I work, Agent seems great, and
handles binary files excellently.
>So there can buggy newsreaders like Gravity which crash if you breathe
>too hard for linux? No thank you very much
>
As I'm new to Linux, I've not heard of that one.
I'd be interested then to have your thoughts on the very best X
newsreader currently for Linux, and your comments as to what makes the
particular app so good.
Note: I'm after something that handles and decodes multipart binaries
well, as well as reading normal postings, both on-line and off-line.
Paul.
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From: concord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Used WWW.DEJANEWS.COM !
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:24:12 +0000
Hi,
Just wanted to let you know that I had a really big question about glibc vs.
libc5 and I had the whole thing typed up and was ready to send it to this
newsgroup when I decided to check dejanews first. The answer was already there.
I see a lot of questions posted that never get answered - I wonder if it's
because people are tired of answering the same questions over and over again? I
guess that would get tiring.
Be patient with us newbies... we're learning.
Thanks for your time,
Frank
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From: Type your name here <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:20:48 -0500
The problem that you are having has to do with which operating system you are in when
you make the bootable diskette.
Boot into or log into a Windows 95/98 machine. Format a diskette with the /s switch
(format a: /s) which will make your bootable diskette. Then, from the
c:\windows\command directory, copy fdisk.exe to the diskette.
Check your system BIOS to be sure that you are attempting to boot off the floppy first,
then boot from the floppy. At the A:\ prompt, type fdisk a: /mbr. This will clear the
master boot record. Then, run Fdisk again, and make sure that your primary partition
is set to active.
If you want to get real fancy, you can install the DOS drivers for your CD-ROM onto the
bootable floppy and leave the RedHat CD in the CD-ROM. Once you have cleared the MBR,
you can change the drive letter to your CD-ROM and go to the DOSUTILS directory and run
the "autorun" command. Then you are in the Red Hat installer.
Bob
Cevher Dogan wrote:
>
> The problem is that I am getting this error in either cases
> when I boot with the system floppy already in the drive or
> after LILO prompts me the choice and after I insert and try it.
> It says: BOOT Couldn't find NTLDR, so I cannot boot to DOS
> to do fdisk /mbr ... :(
>
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From: Juan Guevara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DNS on Linux
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:13:16 -0800
Hello,
I have configured DNS on Sun boxes. I just
installed Linux on a server, did regular steps
to configure it as a DNS server:
1. modified /etc/named.boot
2. added files in /var/named
3. Started deamon just the way the FAQ says
/usr/sbin/ndc start
When I use nslookup and try to connect to
the linux box, it just times out. I did a
"ps ef|grep named" (which I am not sure
works the same in Linux) and noticed the
named deamon is not running. I double
checked the configuration and everything
looks good to me. Do I need to configure
DNS differently in Linux than I would do
in Solaris?
Any help is appreciated, please send
replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-juan
--
Juan Guevara
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Make every move as if it were your last*
http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~chapin/
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From: Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advertisement: Domain name 'linux-software.net' for sale
Date: 08 Mar 1999 18:07:30 +0000
"Ythan Burstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi there! Please forgive the commercial nature of this post.
It's not the _commercial_ aspect of the nature of this post that I
find offensive.
> I hate Usenet
> spam as much as the next guy, but I felt that this message would be of
> interest to people in this newsgroup.
If this is Spam then it is indefensible.
If this is not Spam then even mention Spam?
> Let me apologize in advance if you
> found it objectionable - this is the only time I'll post it.
>
> I'm auctioning off the domain name 'linux-software.net' on eBay - if you're
> interested, you can get more information at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=75240600 . This is a
> seven day auction which ends on March 14th at 12:15 PST.
Isn't linux-software.net oxymoron?
I see no evidence that this name has ever really been used. This
looks like a speculative registration.
DNS speculators are only one step up the ladder from spammers. Both
try to turn a quick buck by abusing a system that was devised on the
assumption that people could be trusted to act honourably.
When the US was colonised[*] people people stake a claim if and only
if they actually worked it. The "new fronteer" does not explicitly
make this requirment as it was assume that honouranble people would
take it as read.
[*] For the sake of this metaphor I'm pretending that Native Americans
didn't exist. Obviouisly, in fact, they did. Only a complete moron
would even consider taking issue with me on this matter in this newsgroup.
I hope nobody buys it.
Oh, BTW if you follow the URL link you'll notice that this item is
listed as "No reserve" and "Minimum bid $250.00". Sounds like we may
be dealing with a compulsive liar.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mathew A. Hennessy)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: 8 Mar 1999 19:20:54 GMT
In article <ht0ub7.uq1.ln@loopback>, Pete Jewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't want to start any flame wars - however - /some/ people may
>misconstrue your reluctance to state prices in the currencies used
>in the newsgroups you crosspost to as arrogance, which in turn could
>start an unnecessary flame war.
It's perfectly acceptable to post listings in a single currency,
as long as the currency is actually stated (such as US$, UK#, AU$).. The
currency converter (http://www.xe.net/currency/) is your friend..
Besides, if the deal was priced in US$, it should be posted in US$,
because in any event the price may be different for non-US customers
anyway.
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'So the next time someone says, "I have a 50K file for you," your next
exclamation needs to be, "Wow, that's cold!"' - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://208.201.18.9/shout/ mp3 feeds 24/7 (barring net hangs ;)
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:25:16 -0500
From: "Randall E. Williamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fundamental Linux Install/Troubleshooting Training
I haven't tried it myself, but ZDNet's University (www.zdu.com) has an
online course called "Intro to Unix" that is based on RedHat 5.2. They
charge a small fee per month for access to as many courses as you want.
Mark Metson wrote:
> Gregor Strassburger wrote:
> > As Linux knowledge is getting increasingly important...
> >
> > I'm wondering whether there is some lecture/lab, instructor based
> > training course available for fundamental Linux knowledge like
> > installation, basic configuration, troubleshooting, e.t.c. If not this
> > media, maybe some CBT or other selfpaced - except the books that are
> > available in masses...?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Hogan)
Subject: Re: Help: slrnpull
Date: 08 Mar 1999 14:19:21 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 08 Mar 1999 09:25:04 PST, Dan Hogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
AARRRggghhhhh!
Sorry for the bandwith. Just startu=ing to learn StarOffice.
I am stuck at item 5. of the slrnpull install guide. I keep getting a
/Var/log/meeeage "...modprobe: no dependency information for module
"dev/modem"
Trie setserial, modeprobe, depmod -a, no help. What simple thing am I
missing? slrn, minicom, ezppp, ppp-on, Netscape, mail work OK.
>
Dan Hogan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Wilson Fletcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: 8 Mar 1999 22:19:35 GMT
Maybe you wouldn't complain so loudly if you had ever tried using a dodgy
brothers network card on a big network. Cheaper network clones often don't
guarantee unique MAC addresses and I have personally been burned by this.
ie. have a look at the messages produced bu dhcpd and then tell me you want
everyone in the world to be responsible for configuring their own MAC
addresses.
Now unique ID's in software or processors etc I can understand complaining
about but the unique ID in network cards (forgive my naivete) seems to be
for a very good reason.
Wilson Fletcher
Anthony Ord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On 27 Feb 1999 11:31:44 -0500, Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >"David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> There are lots of reasons to not buy Intel, but this strikes me as one
of
> >> the worst. Every Network CARD ever installed in a PC has a unique
ID and
> >> no one ever complained about them. The best thing the Linux
community
> >> could do is to get behind a non Intel platform.
>
> The K7 is going to be worth a look.
>
> >The unfortunate thing is
> >> that the only other Mass produced computing platform is the MAC.
Not that
> >> there is anything wrong with the MAC, its just that the PowerPC seems
to be
> >> under performing as far as performance increases go.
> >
> >1) the MAC addr can easily be changed
> >2) the MAC addr can only be retrieved directly from a local LAN
> >3) many machines (token ring, PPP, ATM) don't have an ethernet MAC
>
> And modems don't have them, which is how most people connect to the
> internet.
>
> Regards
>
> Anthony
> --
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> | They fall apart |
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> | Though we may deserve it |
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From: Konrad Mierendorff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: tar_cat????
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 22:34:08 +0100
Scott wrote:
>
> I am using a RedHat Linux 5.2 and am attempting to compile a addon
> driver (hpdj)
> into the Aladden 5.50 ghostscript. In the instructions it mentions:
>
> "you must now run tar_cat to regenerate your platform-specific makefile"
>
> What is tar_cat and where can I get it. I have searched
> all over the internet and there is no mention of is anywhere.
>
> Thank you
I downloaded gs5.50 recently and the docu says there is no tar_cat any
more. Just make a symlink to your platform-specific makefile and start
make:
# ln -s unix-gcc.mak Makefile
# make
Good luck
- Konrad Mierendorff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ajit Krishnan)
Subject: 2.2.2 and parport
Date: 8 Mar 1999 22:17:00 GMT
i'm having a problem with the parport and parport_pc modules with rh 5.2 (2.2.2)
if i compile them directly into the kernel, i am able to print without any problems
however, if i compile them as modules, then I can't print......
parport is loaded by modprobe and is used by lp
parport_pc is not loaded automatically (i can load it but it makes no difference)
the file queues without any problem....but the output of loq is "printer offline?"
has anyone experienced something like this before?
thanks
ajit
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Moving /home to /usr/home
Date: 8 Mar 1999 22:50:59 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>I'd like to move my /home directory to /usr/home and
>would like to know the correct way to do it and what
>problems this may create. I've just installed RH 5.2
If you have no accounts set up, then just put it in /usr/home.
To make srute that this does not break any scripts which might decide
to enforce /home, make /home a link to /usr/home. That's it.
>and have not setup any user accounts yet. I created
>a small partition for the / directory and a large
>partition for the /usr directory. Should I first
>delete /home, then create /usr/home, then create a
>symbolic link for example 'ln -s /usr/home /home'?
Sure. That is fine.
>What other directories should be moved from / to /usr
>and linked back to /? And how large should the partition
Whatever you want. I would leave /bin and /sbin as you may need them in
/ someday when your /usr partition fails for some reason.
and the /var for loggin purposes.
>be to hold the / directory? My / directory occupies
>about 30 MB. In future installations, if I set the
>partition to 50 MB would it ever grow to more than this?
It could if you are not careful about rotating your log files or if
some process runs away (mind you filling 50M is better than filling
10G.)
>Greg
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From: Matt Cobley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xdm
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 21:28:07 +0000
Hi,
I'm using RedHat5.2 and I'm starting X up using xdm. When I try to
use things like printtool though, it tells me that I have to be root,
but when I try as root I get :-
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
Application initialization failed: couldn't connect to display ":0.0"
Is there any way I can allow root access to the Xserver without having
to log into xdm as root?
--
ttfn
Matt
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From: Oliver Heidelbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,alt.sources.d
Subject: Update of V.E.R.A. acronym list
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 01:11:36 -0500
New Update of V.E.R.A. acronym list
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acronyms all of which are used in the field of computing.
GNU version 1.5 of V.E.R.A., written in Texinfo and
free, has now been released.
V.E.R.A. is primarily meant to be used as an online reference,
although some efforts have been taken to make its TeX output look
acceptable. The current edition contains approximately 7600 acronyms.
The file name name is vera-1.5.tar.gz, in /gnu/vera/ on ftp.gnu.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 17:16:22 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:12:29 -0800...
..and Richard Latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you had a new baby, you could cobble up some dynamite announcements
> in no time, with cutsey pink and blue borders, pics of the kid, and some
> gurgling sounds to go with it. That's a more practical html usage. The
> functionality is there when you need it.
Practical? Functional? Do you really think foisting this kind of
bandwidth-consuming dreck upon millions of readers is somehow
practical or functional?
> And it's fun (excepting the guys
> in the hair shirts).
For you, it's fun. For me, it isn't. I've had to deal with that kind
of messages when I still used Communicator, and it was annoying as
hell.
[schnibble]
> On my RedHat installation I was given elm, exmh, fetchmail, mailx,
> metamail, mutt, nmh, pine, slrn, tin, trn, mailcap, procmail, sendmail,
> ppp, dip, netscape-communicator, xrn, and xmailbox. If I list the support-
> ing net packages, the list more than doubles. All but a few of these
> packages can be discarded,
No, they can't, and they won't. They all serve a particular,
well-defined purpose.
[schnibble]
> What seems reasonable in the unix community looks positively Luddite
> from the outside. By accepting these tools as they are, by adapting your-
> self to a rather Byzantine manner of doing things,
Nonsense. The fact that you aren't accustomed to the Right Thing
doesn't mean the Right Thing isn't Right.
[schnibble]
> Linux is very frustrating for the uninitiated. The operating system doesn't
> crash, the apps one wants to use core bomb.
Which ones?
[schnibble]
> Generous people wrote a lot of unix/linux software to solve specific
> problems. It was adequate for their purposes. It is no longer adequate for
> the challenges Linux confronts now. More elegant, simpler solutions are
> needed.
WRONG. Most Unix software is elegant, doing one thing in the Right
Way. Do you really want us to use all-in-one reinvent-the-wheel
packages with dumbed down interfaces and all the usual cruft you find
on the Windows platform?
No man. We've got a better philosophy.
mawa
--
Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain
of being a damned fool.
-- Bellamy Brooks
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