Linux-Misc Digest #436, Volume #19 Sat, 13 Mar 99 08:13:26 EST
Contents:
Re: trn takes too long to get overview file (Villy Kruse)
Re: Linux Box Hardware ("D. Vrabel")
signature errors Was: ICQ for Java ("D. Vrabel")
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Anthony Ord)
Re: HELP: K6-2 motherboard w/ Linux; Perf. compares/ PII (Jon)
Re: signature errors Was: ICQ for Java (Hans Wolters)
Re: acessing Linux Drive from NT (Andy Johnstone)
Re: Appletalk emulation (Lukas Zeller)
What is the best Linux to install? (Richard)
Re: Dont understand Configuration message (Charles Packer)
Re: Bizarre "find" process running under owner "nobody" (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Which program to use scsi-tape drive? (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: HELP PLEASE!!! (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Linux Box Hardware (John Forkosh)
Re: COBOL compiler for Linux? (James Youngman)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Anthony Ord)
Re: I need help on configuring a RAID 1 (Raimund Sacherer)
Re: I need help on configuring a RAID 1 (Raimund Sacherer)
large ide-hdd woes (Jonathan Koren)
Re: Failsafe servers... SGI and/or Linux (Sevo Stille)
HPFS Problem with Linux (Erhard Karger)
Pentium optimized Fourier Transform (Johannes Nix)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: trn takes too long to get overview file
Date: 13 Mar 1999 10:16:13 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 12 Mar 1999 09:05:39 +0100,
>
>You really only need the overview records for unread articles. Some
>newsreaders, for reasons known only to them, like to fetch the whole
>overview (KNews, for example, used to do this, which is why I stopped
>using it; I don't know if it still does... I know old tin's do that,
>too, though that may have been fixed now, too).
>
trn will fetch the overwiev for only unread articles, but if you have 2000
unread articles on a slow linke, that can also take a while. Then when
it has displayed the subject list, it will continue getting overwiev
of already read articles in the background while the user is studying
the subject, so the thread can be completed for already read articles,
but it will only do this while the user doesn't issue commands.
A differnet problem is that when you post an articel with inews, inews
will get the entire active file every time, and that could take several
minutes. Hopefully that will be fixed/has been fixed.
Villy
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Box Hardware
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:10:49 +0000
On 13 Mar 1999, Andrew Alsin wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:49:07 -0500, Igor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I think about buying Celeron 300A CPU and Abit BH6 motherboard and setting
> >up a linux box on it. (This can be overclocked nicely, right?)
>
> Correct. The motherboard usually doesn't make a big deal though
> (As long as it's BX).
>
> >Is this configuration gonna work nice for linux? Will overclocking cause
> >any problems? What AGP video-card and what sound-card can be recommended?
[stuff about CPU and video snipped]
> With sound cards, it's probably the most difficult(again, so I've heard).
> Sound isn't really a big deal in Linux. So try and find a nice stable brand
> (Creative Labs), and buy a card that is preferably very generic.
Don't get the new Soundblaster Live! it is unsupported, check the
Hardware-compatibility HOWTO.
[Stuff about hard drives snipped]
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: signature errors Was: ICQ for Java
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:19:35 +0000
On 13 Mar 1999, Hans Wolters wrote:
[snip}
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> > void main(void) {if(windows=="stable") hell=frozen;}
> >*********************************************************
^^^^
There is an error in this signature: main should return an int always.
Actually there is one more...
You can't compare a char* to a literal string and expect to get a
meaning result. Use strcmp(windows, "stable")==0 to test for equality
If it's C++ and windows is of type string then it is okay.
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:22:46 GMT
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:49:19 GMT, John Burton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anthony Ord wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:15:45 -0600, Xerophyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Also consider that Intel announced a product which conceivably could invade
>> >privacy.
>> >
>> >Caere and Mircosoft (Office2000) both want users to register their products
>> >or else they don't get a key code to make the product work after 20 days.
>>
>> Crack it. M$ will be laughed out of court if you bought it, then they
>> try to claim piracy. At least in this country.
>
>Perhaps, but in this country even if they didn't have a case, they could
>easily force an individual or small company into bankrupcy just through
>1) a legal suit, 2) an appeal when that suit was thrown out of court...
I am so poor I qualify for legal aid.
>to MS, spending months in the courtroom means little relative to their
>bottom line,
After a while, they'd pay me a lot of money to avoid setting a
precedent.
>to me, I'd have trouble hiring 1 lawyer for 1 day in
>court...:-(
If you have a strong case, you could try approaching the many anti-M$
people. M$ would then pay *you* to avoid setting a precedent. The
above only works when people are poor and/or unprincipled.
>John
Regards
Anthony
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| When the walls come tumbling in |
| Though we may deserve it |
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From: Jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.hardware.arch.intel
Subject: Re: HELP: K6-2 motherboard w/ Linux; Perf. compares/ PII
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:42:15 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 2. I read some people have trouble w/ the motherboard.
> Anyone heard of: SIS598, (same AMPTRON 9900?)
I have seen these boards having a lot of problems running at 100Mhz. If you
drop them down to 75 Mhz and set the multiplier differently, they don't
have any problems running a 400 at all. Use a 5.5 multiplier.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Wolters)
Subject: Re: signature errors Was: ICQ for Java
Date: 13 Mar 1999 11:52:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:19:35 +0000, D. Vrabel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 13 Mar 1999, Hans Wolters wrote:
>[snip}
>> >---------------------------------------------------------
>> > void main(void) {if(windows=="stable") hell=frozen;}
>> >*********************************************************
> ^^^^
>There is an error in this signature: main should return an int always.
There's also an error in to whom your'e replying :-)
>Actually there is one more...
> You can't compare a char* to a literal string and expect to get a
> meaning result. Use strcmp(windows, "stable")==0 to test for equality
>
> If it's C++ and windows is of type string then it is okay.
>
>David
>--
>David Vrabel
>Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
>
--
Java Search Engine Front End
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/
Linux Links/CMI8330 Soundpro HOWTO
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/linux.htm
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From: Andy Johnstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: acessing Linux Drive from NT
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:57:07 -0500
Try this site, it works, kinda. You can read and copy from the Linux
partition to your NT partition, but write support is still experimental. It
runs a little slow if there are alot of files (like in /dev) but i think
thats b/c i have to use a 16-bit DLL that comes with it. As far as i know
you don't need this DLL if you have NT.
To reply remove nospam from my email address.
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/Explore2fs.htm
Andy
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Vibor Paravic wrote:
> I have a dual boot machine Linux/NT 4.0
>
> Under linux I can see the nt partion however I cannot see the linux
> partion under NT
>
> If I go to the disk manager it knows that the other disk is there and it
> correctly guesses the size however it does not give me access to it!!!
>
> How can I see my Linux partition under NT ... clearly I also want to
> access the data stored there....
>
> Thanks in advance : Vibor Paravic
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lukas Zeller)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,de.comp.os.linux.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,de.comp.os.linux.newusers,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Appletalk emulation
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:04:26 +0100
Daniel Wetzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format
Unfortunately... (please post plain text to Usenet)
> I`m actually trieing to use my linux mashine as Appletalk server.
> My problem is, that I can`t start the atalkd daemon.
> [...]
> If I try to start atalkd manually I get "AppleTalk not up! Child exited
> with 1."
Did you set up the /etc/atalkd.conf file correctly? I remember that the
SuSE 5.2 docs were slightly misleading. It started working when I
set the config to just a single line:
eth0
and copied the file to /etc/atalkd.conf as well as
/etc/atalk/atalkd.conf. I could not yet finally figure out which
one of these files is really used. It just happens to work this way.
Then, put a AppleVolumes.default file in /etc listing all directories
you want to give access via AppleShare for ALL users (use a tilde
to include the user's home directory).
Good luck!
--
Lukas Zeller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:18:26 GMT
I am trying to install the newest and the best linux on
100+ workstation. What would be the best one to choose
in terms of standard, support, and setup?
Any ideas would be appreciated.
email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks in advance
Richard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: Dont understand Configuration message
Date: 13 Mar 1999 12:20:40 GMT
In article <7cbrck$12g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chetan Ahuja wrote:
>rpms BUT only the next time you start glint. so "all windows" here
>mean ONLY all the glint windows.... not ALL the other programs ( that
Reminds me of Red Hat's instructions to remove "the disk" after
finishing Linux setup and then reboot. The disk in this case
apparently means the CD-ROM, not the floppy they had just had
me insert to be written as the boot diskette.
I'm glad Red Hat just got an infusion of capital, according to
a recent newspaper item...they need it.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/whatnews/whatnews.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Bizarre "find" process running under owner "nobody"
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:46:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
>Running "top" I can se a very heavy "find" process running, consuming a lot of
>cpu and owned by "nobody".
[...]
man crontab
man updatedb
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Which program to use scsi-tape drive?
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:45:03 GMT
[Newsgroups: line trimmed. col.help doesn't even exist at all. Arrgh.]
"Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Which program to use scsi-tape drive? The program taper is, what i see, only
>for Floppy-Streamer.
[...]
taper works just fine with a SCSI streamer.
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE!!!
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:07:27 GMT
Darrell Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>After telling my boss for months about how great Linux is, we tried
>installing it on his computer. Everything goes just wonderfully, until
>it tries to load lilo. He has two disks in his system that look like
>this:
>hda1 FAT (windows partition) 2GB
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
[...]
You're a victim of the 1024 cyl. error.
Solution: Use loadlin.exe and the kernel image from the Win/DOS
partition or create a 10 MB /boot partition within the first 1023 cyl.
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Subject: Re: Linux Box Hardware
Date: 13 Mar 1999 07:32:41 -0500
brian moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On 13 Mar 1999 03:21:18 GMT,
: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > Well it would be nice to see some comparisons of specific SCSI drives
: > versus specific UDMA drives. Anyone know of any? Conventional wisdom
: > (and my own experience) is that UDMA is about as good for much less $$,
: > except that the really fast/expensive drives come only as SCSI.
: It's not just the drive, it's the controller. A SCSI controller (and
: drive) have much more intelligence than IDE drives (and 'UDMA' is just a
: fancy name for IDE). This frees the CPU from a lot of the nonsense
: involved in disk IO.
If you buy a lot of memory, your most recently/frequently blocks will
be cached, so disk performance becomes less important. You can get
an extra 256MB ram for, say, $400, which is probably a bit cheaper
than a reasonable scsi disk/controller.
: My K6-300 comes to a screeching halt when I open large mailboxes in Mutt
: (okay, they're 20-30M) while running rc5des. My SCSI machines don't
: even flinch.
Of course, the first time you access the disk, you're out of luck.
Consider your cache hit rate. Suppose you can get it up to 95%,
which isn't unreasonable. Then only 5% of your disk accesses are
actually going out to the disk. Thus, the scsi/udma comparison
only affects that 5% of the accesses. For example, suppose scsi
performs 400% "faster" (without trying to break down "faster")
than udma. 95% of your accesses won't see that 400% improvement
at all. Only the reamining 5% will be speeded up, a negligible
gain.
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: COBOL compiler for Linux?
Date: 11 Mar 1999 22:10:05 +0000
"Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Is there one?
Two. Acu-COBOL and Cobcy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:43:15 GMT
On 28 Feb 1999 23:15:58 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith) wrote:
>Francois-Rene Rideau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[ "Far�" | VN: Уng-V� B�n | Join the TUNES project! http://www.tunes.org/ ]
>
>Anyone can come up with a catchy acronym and put together a web site full of
>buzzwords.
http://www.microsoft.com
Where's the code?
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/peropsys/windows/public/
>--Tim Smith
Regards
Anthony
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=========================================
| And when our worlds |
| They fall apart |
| When the walls come tumbling in |
| Though we may deserve it |
| It will be worth it - Depeche Mode |
=========================================
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:52:09 +0100
From: Raimund Sacherer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: I need help on configuring a RAID 1
Hi, the patch did not work --> when compiling the kernel, i get errors.
I have the SuSE 6.0 linux.
What is a pristine kernel source package?
best regards
The Ray
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:52:37 +0100
From: Raimund Sacherer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: I need help on configuring a RAID 1
Hi, the patch did not work --> when compiling the kernel, i get errors.
I have the SuSE 6.0 linux.
What is a pristine kernel source package?
best regards
The Ray
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From: Jonathan Koren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: large ide-hdd woes
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:36:58 -0600
first let me say that I'm sorry that I'm posting MIME and typing larger
than 80chars. I'm stuck using netscape as my newsreader.
Now, on with the problem...
I've got an 16gig IBM IDE HDD. It came as one big 16gig FAT32-LBA
partition. I've been trying for over a week now to partition the thing
so I can install Slackware. After much swearing, I managed to get the
the thing to apparently partition correctly. (Both win98 and linux,
both see the partitions, in the proper order, the proper sizes, and the
proper logical cylinders.) However something is still wrong. When I go
to format the win98 partition, `format` just blows right through the
partitions like they weren't even there (it formats all 16gig). I
really don't understand. I'm not a newbie, and I've installed linux
lots of times, but I just don't understand this.
Here's some more technical data on the drive, what I've done, and why it
hasn't worked:
The Drive: an IBM IDE 16gig drive. The sticker on top says its
geometery is: CHS=16383,16,63
The BIOS: Pheonix from 1997. It doesn't allow me to configure a
drive's geometrey. However, it does recognize it as a 16gig.
win98 `fdisk` Can partition the the thing anyway I want, but only if I
turn on "large-disk support" (LBA)
(I haven't tried creating a small win98 partition and
seeing how `format` likes it. However linux `fdisk` doesn't
like it if I create the win98 partition with win98
`fdisk` and then try to create the linux partitions with
linux `fdisk`)
`fips` 2.0: Complains that the partition doesn't end on a physical
boundry, but not to worry. Says it creates the partition, but
dies a horrible death on exit ("Partitioning Complete.
BYE! Memory Allocation Error, COMMAND not loaded. System Halted.")
Only `fips` can see the partition it created (linux and
win98 still see just one big 16gig partition). After a few reboots,
the phantom partition boundary goes away.
linux kernel: Booting off the Debian-2.1 rescue disk (kernel 2.0.36). At
start up, linux sees the drive as a 16gig with the true
physical geometry. Detects it as UDMA.
linux `fdisk`: If I don't pass the kernel the physical geometry as a
parameter (hda=16383,16,63), `fdisk` thinks the disk only is
CHS=1023,255,63. and complains about paritions not
ending on physical boundaries. If I try and create partitions
here, I hit an 8gig wall, in addition to having win98 see
them in the opposite order. (hda3 becomes win98 parition 1).
If I switch into expert mode and change the number of
cylinders to 2054 (what partition magic's `partinfo.exe` (I don't
have parition magic, and I'm not going out to buy it.)
implies is the LBA geometry is (LBA: CHS=2054,254,63)), I can
create partitions as I like, and win98 `fdisk` sees them
as the proper size. However if I create the win98 partition
as "win95-FAT32", win98 `fdisk` sees the paritions in the
opposite order. Changing the win98 parition to
"win95-FAT32 (LBA)" (what it is when the drive exists as
one big paritition), it sees them in the proper order.
Unfortunatly, neither way gets win98 `format` to respect
the partition boundaries.
Passing the geometry to the kernel doesn't help.
Target Partition Setup:
primary 1 bootable win98 11gigs starting at
cylinder 1
primary 2 swap 25megs
primary 3 bootable ext2 ~5gigs
I one time tried just a as a joke create a one logical cylinder
FAT32-LBA partition starting at cylinder 1 (for a total of 8megs) using
linux `fdisk`, and still win98 `format` just blew through it.
I look forward to any helpful suggestions. If I absolutely have to,
I'll go down to CompUSA and pick me up a second drive just for
linux (I really need it (linux, not the second drive)), however I really
don't think that this will solve my problem.
--
Jonathan Koren If you honestly think I'm representing Motorola here, you're an
idiot.
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From: Sevo Stille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sgi.hardware
Subject: Re: Failsafe servers... SGI and/or Linux
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:54:08 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"D. J. Birchall" wrote:
>
> We've been using workstation-class SGI hardware (Indy) to host
> websites for the past few years. (We manage to keep the load
> average below 75 most of the time... ;) We also have various
> and sundry Linux boxes (okay, my laptop isn't a "box" really)
> being used for various services and development. I've kept an
> eye on developments in the IRIX and Linux communities regarding
> things that are failsafe, redundant, hot-swappable, load-balanced
> and all those buzzwords. Recent events have led to my boss also
> developing an interest in those things :) and I've been charged
> with researching it. Woohoo!
>
> I've looked at the Origin 200 family from SGI, and am fairly
> impressed with its I/O and memory bandwidth, the dual-tower
> interconnect and IRIS FailSafe.
We run our high-availability servers on Origin200's, especially where
highly dynamic content and databases are concerned. If you need a
lossless failover for applications like databases, Linux does not yet
provide any real alternatives - maintaining an identical state of the
content over two separate machines with a simple router switchover is
rather failure-prone. For plain web servers, a load-balancing router and
application-level availability monitoring do reasonably well.
Sevo
--
Sevo Stille
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From: Erhard Karger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HPFS Problem with Linux
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:23:00 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
because JDK 1.2 is not available unter Linux nor under OS2
I installed WIN95 :-(.
Win95 made of a HPFS partion a Fat Partition, that means
it declared it as a FAT-Partition. So, I can't access it form
WIN95, because the FAT Data are HPFS Data, from OS2 there is a FAT
Marker at the beginning , so Partitionmagic say it is HPFS , but I can
access it from there.
With Linux I tried to mount it with -t hpfs and -o nocheck
so Linux says the the superblock is wrong.
I have PTS Diskeditor, were I can change the relevant Sektor, but I
don't know what has to be written in this superblock.
Does anybody know an answer.
Thanks for any idea
Erhard
PS Please send me also a mail
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From: Johannes Nix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pentium optimized Fourier Transform
Date: 13 Mar 1999 13:47:54 +0100
I am searching for signal processing libraries for Linux, especially a
pentium optimized signal processing library. I did find a number of
BLAS / LINPACK implementations, one of this rudimentary Pentium
optimized, but there seems to be no Fourier Transform or a convolution
function. Tough I prefer well-tested Open Source Libreries, it could be
a commercial library also.
Any recommendations are welcome.
Next week I am few at home; please mail me.
--
Johannes Nix
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Universit�t Oldenburg
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Germany
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