Linux-Misc Digest #436, Volume #18 Sat, 2 Jan 99 05:13:11 EST
Contents:
Possible to mount a initrd.img file directly (w/o gunzipping first) ? (Jeremy
Mathers)
Linux Video Game Programming ("John Hankey")
Re: StarOffice 5.0 for Linux - the end of MS Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Easy UNIX editor ("James A. Cleland")
Re: 5.1 FTP PORTS HELP (Bernard Kenik)
That strange Rodent in Redhat 5.1 ("Teo Chun Lip")
Re: Clocks and timeservers (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: how to turn off modem speaker in ppp (Bill Unruh)
Re: Good Apache Server Book? (Gary Momarison)
Re: X based news reader suggestions... (Gary Momarison)
Re: Some GPL financial software I wrote now on my site (John Estess)
Re: Netscape NewsReading from Win95 or Linux? (Ed Cogburn)
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. (Frank Pittel)
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question. (Frank Pittel)
Re: Minimal BOOT installation for ethernetcard. (William Burrow)
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (David Steuber)
Re: engineering practices in Linux/OSS (James Youngman)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Possible to mount a initrd.img file directly (w/o gunzipping first) ?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:40:10 GMT
I have an initrd.img file (initial ram disk image). I want to see
what is in it. I can do:
gzip -dc < initrd.img > /tmp/ramdisk.img
mount -o loop /tmp/ramdisk.img /mnt
and everything is fine. Is there any way to do it in one step,
without creating the intermediate file?
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From: "John Hankey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Linux Video Game Programming
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:25:11 GMT
What is a good approach to porting / writing video games for Linux?
I'd prefer to not use X Windows, so if SVGA lib the best way to go?
Is there anything similar to Microsoft's Direct X?
Thank you,
John Hankey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: StarOffice 5.0 for Linux - the end of MS Windows
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:22:37 GMT
> Also, I found it to be extremely slow -- I just upgraded my system to a
> Celeron 266 with 32 MB of ram, and trying to run SO was painful. I have
> been using the WP8 beta version, and now that Corel will be releasing a
> free Personal Edition of WP8 , I think I'll stick to that and Xess Lite
> or Wingz.
>
Haven't tried the Linux version yet, but what you tell me about your system
configuration sounds pretty reasonable, that SO is slow. I remember the times
when Linux and X ran reasonably fast on a 486/50 with 16MB you still can
configure Linux for such a machine but you have to face certain consequences.
As for your machine I'd say get rid of the Celeron which seems to be the
cacheless version and upgrade to 64MB. Star Office takes a little bit more
RAM cause it sits on top of a library which shields the underlying OS to a
big degree (even the OLE stuff is shielded and emulated on other OSes). This
way the Star Division was able to put out versions for many operating systems
with almost the same codebase. But in the long term you have to upgrade to
64MB anyway, if you want to use some of the newer stuff like KDE or GNOME.
I'm pretty sure you will face the same problems with WP as with SO if you
don't get more RAM. (After Christmas I expect the RAM prices to drop again
since a number of manufacturers has increased production due to increased
prices and demand.)
Werner
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From: "James A. Cleland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Easy UNIX editor
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:03:51 -0500
> 'r' followed by the character.
Seriously, man. LEARN about the tool before you start to belittle it ;)
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From: Bernard Kenik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: 5.1 FTP PORTS HELP
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 06:35:55 GMT
This is independent of OS that you use.. Port 21 is a "well known" for
FTP servers. Clients initiate a session and expect the FTP server to
listen on port 21.
"Dwane Smith " wrote:
> Red hat 5.1 uses port 21 i think, how do i change it to a another
> port to be use for my FTP server.
>
> Thanks
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From: "Teo Chun Lip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: That strange Rodent in Redhat 5.1
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:00:57 +0800
The mouse is very irritating in Redhat 5.1.
Whenever the cursor is near the edge of the screen,the active window
will shrink to its Icon at the taskbar without me telling
It is especially irritating when you are scrolling the bar at the side.
Any one came across such "naughty"rodent and how do
you tame up this irritating rat?
Also the Netscape communicator's Collabra is not working
The netscape messeger can be configurated but I cannot get at the apply
button
no way I can adjust the window size?
Please e-mail the reply to me if possible.
P/S
Any other graphic browser other than the Netscape?
Opera I have checked but only 16 bit can be used if WABI is used,I have none
Any other newsreader to download?
The mail program exmh has a nice interface and I can sent e-mail from it;
but I see no button to ask for mail from the mail server of the ISP?
Just hope that my forthcoming Red Hat 5.2 is better?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Clocks and timeservers
Date: 2 Jan 1999 08:04:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2 Jan 1999 02:30:06 GMT, Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
>
>]The question of setting the computer clock on a linux machine seems to
>]come up fairly often. I have xntp3, but I haven't set it up yet. One
>]thing the documentation mentions (I am still reading it) is the
>]existance of radio clocks that receive a standard time signal. These
>]clocks can be attached to computers to turn them into a primary
>](stratum 1) timeserver.
>
>]If such a clock isn't too expensive, I would like to get one for my
>]linux network. Does anybody know anything about doing this, how much
>]a reasonable clock costs, and what the set up involves?
>
>It might well be fun. However, unless you are really in need of highly
>accurate time signals (eg running a radio telescope), a class 2 or even
>class 3 network would be plenty accurate enough. xntp3 goes to great
>lengths to ensure that the time signal it gets is accurate despite
>networking delays, etc. Besides, Linux is terrible at actually getting
>things done at any exact time (multiprocessor/multiuser).
>and the PC clock has a hard time being accurate.
All fair comment.
If you *really* need an accurate time signal, then spending the several
thousand dollars required for a TrueTime time server and antenna is probably
worthwhile.
>Don't know how GPS receivers interfacing with computers are doing, since
>GPS uses clocks accurate to nanoseconds.
They may be accurate to tiny intervals inside the box, but NMEA interfacing,
the common interface available on handheld GPS units, provides only 4800
baud, and since the external interfacing is intended to provide position
information and not time, there is little likelihood of it reporting the
time to anything more exact than the nearest second.
I suspect that the TrueTime unit is a GPS receiver that gets synced to a
pretty-accurate onboard clock, with interfacing surely being optimized to
that end.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: how to turn off modem speaker in ppp
Date: 2 Jan 1999 08:06:56 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "H.T. Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Does anybody know what command in the ppp script in
> order to turn the speaker of my modem ?
It is an AT command to your modem. Put it in the chat expect/send
script. ATM0 is the usual command
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.isp
Subject: Re: Good Apache Server Book?
Date: 02 Jan 1999 00:23:10 -0800
Cliff Etzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am looking for a book or other documentation that explains the setup
> and various configurations of Apache server. My only requirement is
There are some Apache resources listed in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/internet.html
There's an old setup article in Linux Gazette, a magazine,
apache.org, etc.
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: X based news reader suggestions...
Date: 02 Jan 1999 00:29:53 -0800
"Jon D. Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can anyone suggest a good x-based news reader?
Gnus inside XEmacs is what I'm using. I love it now, but it
was kinda a pain to configure and learn. Lots of reading to
determine which few of the 1,000,000 commands you need to
mess with.
Find some newsreaders in
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/usenet.html
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From: John Estess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Some GPL financial software I wrote now on my site
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:22:50 GMT
Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan
> >Panteltje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> >>I have put some financial software I wrote on my site.
> >>The first program gets close prices from the net,
> >>the other displays these.
> >>This last program can do a few more things as well.
> >>
> Try downloading by just clicking on the link.
> If it dumps garbage on your screen, press stop in netscape.
> then select 'save as' from the file menu.
> That should pop up the little file download window.
> Sorry, nothing I can change about this (could be netscape).
This is usually solved with a Shift-RightClick. Don't ask me why.
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From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape NewsReading from Win95 or Linux?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:59:13 -0500
burk wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I have a dual booting (Win95/Redhat 5.2) box.
> I use Netscape 4.5 to read news from the Win95 side, but I'd like to
> able to read news from both linux as well (without loosing track of read
> messages). I can use slrn to do this, but I prefer NS for news reading.
> Anybody have any ideas of how to go about this?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> -Chuck
Why not get NS Communicator 4.5 for Linux? How you install it depends on the
distribution you are using. If you are running
Debian, Debian already has NS Communicator packaged as .deb packages. Don't know
about others.
--
Ed C.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Pittel)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:40:17 GMT
joseph_a_philbrook__iii ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Frank Pittel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Wouldn't it make more sense in the long run to use a tool that didn't waste
: >your time with ease of learning?
: Ummmnnn NO!
: But it would make more since to make sence to use a tool that doesn't keep
: on wasting your time with difficult to bypass learning aids...
: Since I don't believe the gui only tool will ever be a modal ofd efficiancy
: and thus can't possibly become a model for long term ease of use, I'm asking
: for those who are actualy able to write effective eficiant software that
: doesn't "waste" the experts time with ease of learning aids that can't be
: commented out of the configuration files to please also include ease of
: learning aids so that even MS converts can learn to use it.
: If the said software's learning tools provide instruction on the more
: efficiant method the experts find useful, while allowing the newbie to use
: the dang thing (in a less efficiant way <g>) that provides him/her with
: accurate informitive reasons to read well written docs (preferably
: accessable from within the tutorial gui) that they might even learn to think
: again... Thus they too can become proficiant experts who can safely
: dissengage the gui tutorial aids that experts don't need by using their
: newfound skills to edit it out of the configuration file...
: Besides, if enough of you expert programers do that, I might even find some
: software that I too can learn to use well and won't have to annoy so many
: people by begging for easy to use cli software in threads like this...
: <I wish this last comment was said in jest, but since I don't find gui's
: easy to learn, and can seldom find the right <current> docs for what I'm
: trying to learn to do, without wading through so much technobabble that I
: can't find the often simple answer in it anyway, I despairately need the
: learning aid concepts that are usualy only built into the gui's to be
: available to me while trying to figure out how to cli my way trough it, so
: please, please, please... lets make sure that eficiant software has easy to
: learn wrappers or something, so that maybe I'll be to busy using them to
: waste the bandwidth here by complaining about a lack that I lack the
: expertize to fix, and thus can only offer half thought out ideas rather than
: working solutions...
: please
Don't confuse me with a programmer. :-)
I have long felt that there's a time and a place for a GUI and a time and place for a
command line. What I hate is software that you need to always use a mouse to pull down
multiple levels of menus over and over again.
What is needed are software developers to think out the user interface. What we have
are
marketing people designing pretty software.
--
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Pittel)
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:29:05 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Let me add my $0.02 of opinion here,
: On Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:05:59 GMT, Frank Pittel wrote these
: thought provoking words :
:
: -> : A gymnast will do one of his "easy" routines that takes him years to
: -> : learn and say...ahhh, "that was easy." In relative terms, gymnastics
: -> : is not an easy sport....period.
: ->
: -> This all reminds me of when I first started using wordperfect. I still
:remember the
: -> horror of starting it and having only a blue screen. To make a long story
:short I went
: -> right out and got a book on how to use wordperfect. At first it seemed that
:everytime I
: -> wanted to do something I would have to go through the book and look up how.
:However after
: -> a little while I remembered how to do the things that I use a wordprocessor to
:do.
: ->
: -> I have since switched to linux and wordperfect 5.? is unfortunatly a memory.
:Although
: -> I've got wordperfect for linux. I find that all the menus, buttons, task bars
:get in the
: -> way.
:
: Ok.
:
: -> Since then I've noticed that when using software with the MS GUI interface I
:can start
: -> using the software quickly. However I never really get much better at using
:it. I work
: -> with one hand on the keyboard and the other constantly going between the mouse
:and the
: -> keyboard. I spend more time undoing then doing and nothing ever comes out
:looking the way
: -> I wanted. Of course with all the effort I put into making the documents look
:just so the
: -> actual content becomes less and less important.
:
: You have lost all credibility here. Nothing *ever* comes out the way
: you want it to? Why torcher yourself then? Ditch the thing!
I do have to admit that I never spent more then ten or twelve hours trying to use the
stuff. I got the hang of WP5.0 faster and keep hearing aobut how easy word is to use.
Right!!
: -> Back to your story on the gymnist. One of the first things gymnists are taught
:to do is
: -> the summersault.<SP?> How rewarding would it be if after training for five
:hours a day
: -> for ten years if those gymnists could still only do summersaults?
:
: When you can do the somersault, your training is finished. No more
: training is required. Very bad analogy indeed. A gymnast does not need
: to train for 5 hours everyday for 5 yrs to learn how to do that.
Not unlike using "easy" software. Once you learn to do something that's as good as you
ever get.
: Outlook Express, and Netscape mail are e-mail apps that take a short
: time to learn. They however lack. versatility. Once you have learnt
: how to use their limited feature set and what they cannot do, there is
: nothing else to learn. You either stick with their limited function or
: find something that better suites your needs. I personally have not
: stuck with them. I have tried others and have settled down with what I
: think is best for the windows platform, Forte' Agent.
It however takes longer to learn to use the more advanced software.
For mail I use the mail reader mutt. When I first brought it up it was usable. The
longer I use it the more I find it can do. It has taken time to learn how to use a
small
part of what it can do.
: If there is no depth in a particular app which severely limits its
: versatility and gets in your way so that nothing ever comes out the
: way you want it to, then it usually does not take long to learn,
: because there is usually not much to learn in the first place.
In other words it's "easy".
:
: -> : To me, you are confusing efficiency with ease of use. For me, B is
: -> : more difficult to use and therefore master....., but B is much better
: -> : to make the effort to learn because if mastered, it is far more
: -> : efficient than A.:-)
: ->
: -> I think you are confusing the two. How could something be efficient to use and
:not have a
: -> high ease of use? This of course has nothing to do with the initial learning
:curve. Does
: -> anyone still remember the first time they used WP5.?, vi, emacs? After you
:learned how to
: -> use them are they still difficult? Are they efficient to use? I have used
:programs with
: -> a MS type GUI and while it is easy to start using the software. It is
:difficult and
: -> ineffient to use.
:
: You seem to be on a MS vendetta. Can we keep it out of the argument?
Since the first time I used a pc I disliked ms software. Nothing they've released since
then has changed my mind. You'll notice that I only mentioned ms as a reference to
their
UI. With nothing bad said. I still stand behind my opinion of the MS standard UI still
stands.
: I find practicing surgery quite easy and efficient once I have learnt
: it. That's the active term...."once I have learnt it." It is not often
: that I hear surgeons saying this. I however see the many individuals
: who failed out on the way or could not take the rigourous training
: required seething with anger at the arrogance of such a statement.
: I have a profession that fits very nicely in the bracket of being easy
: when learnt but the road to that appreciation of ease and efficiency
: ain't easy.
Then you should understand the point I'm making.
: I am not confusing the two at all. I see them as two separate
: attributes to an app. This is why Linux would never have taken off if
: learning curve issues were not addressed with respect to it's
: installation etc.
: Take a look at OS/2 to see what I mean. This is an OS which has sorted
: out usability and learning curve issues very well with efficiency and
: versatility. Two separate virtues of an app or an OS, both of which
: need to be addressed for it to be significantly successful.
: -> Learning how to use software is done once. For software I use a lot I would
:rather a
: -> longer learning curve if it meant easier and more efficient use later.
: I prefer that as well.:-)
Unfortunatly as you yourself said it takes time to learn to use software with a large
and
versitle feature set.
:
: -> While I think we can all agree that dos edit was easier to learn to use then
:vi or emacs
: -> how many of us would rather be using edit then vi or emacs? While the learning
:curve for
: -> vi is steeper and longer. It is much easier and more efficient to use vi.
:
: Absolutely.
: Many however seem to be willing to sacrifice some of that wonderful
: efficiency to find something with a more palatable learning curve but
: less efficiency.
I and many others however find that a lot of "easy" software is harder to learn to use
then the so called "hard" software.
: -> After the initial learning curve efficient to use and easy to use are the same
:thing.
: Technically sound statement but one which seems to belittle the issue
: of the learning curve.
: You go ahead and develop your app that is very hard to learn but
: efficient to use at the arduous end of that learning curve and see how
: many people buy it!
There are always tradeoffs and I'm sure you agree. However it is also a mistake to say
that software is easy to use because it has a pretty GUI.
: You will be in for a shock.
I doubt it.
: -> When using WP5.? it is both easier and more efficient to use the
:<alt>/<ctrl>+key
: -> combination then muddling through all the task bars, pull down menus, menus
:with menus,
: -> etc of the later versions.
: It's a hell of a thing when you get used to something and have to
: adopt to something else. Culture shock perhaps?
: I am not saying that there is no truth to what you are saying but I
: get a lot of work done with wordperfect 6.2 and you have me wondering
: how the hell I managed to do it in the first place? Maybe I wasted a
: colossal amount of time doing it with all those menus, macros etc. as
: you put it.:-/
: Maybe I could have done it more efficiently with WP5 but somehow I do
: not think so. I know many veterans who used to use WP5 and have not
: *really* missed it. They loved it's simplicity (yes, they say it was a
: lot simpler) but all seem to prefer WP7's richer feature base. <sigh>
I use wp7 and miss wp5.?. I also know a number of people that were forced to switch to
wp7 and didn't like the change.
: It's good to listen to many opinions rather than one, it encourages
: you to try different things but what's even more important, is that
: after trying the options, you go with what *you* like best, not what
: others say is good for you.
True.
: -> Wouldn't it make more sense in the long run to use a tool that didn't waste
:your time
: -> with ease of learning?
: Oh yes.:-)
: I see you have been missing the point of our discussion.
: My point is that the learning curve involved in mastering an
: application is a very important aspect of making that particular app a
: winner instead of just putting all the eggs in the basket of
: efficiency with no real concern about how long it takes to achieve and
: master that level of efficiency.
Unfortunatly I see that the learning curve is used to judge the quality of the
software.
I've actually seen linux judged by the complexity of the insallation. Makes you wonder
if it was even used after the installation.
: Linux in it's early stages was just efficiency based. I can stake a
: big bet that it would be no microsoft threat in that state. It's only
: now, when the usability and learning curve issues are being ironed
: out, that linux can become a threat to *anything* out there.
In the early days of linux there was a lot of effort put into adding functionality. By
improving the learning curve I assume you mean the installation process. Other then
removing some of the pain in the neck of choosing which package to add. Not much has
changed.
--
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Minimal BOOT installation for ethernetcard.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 06:42:04 GMT
On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:52:59 +0100,
Juergen Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have put an ethernet-card (NE2000) in a PC. On this PC no OS is
>> istalled. Now I want to create a BOOT-disk, that it is possible to
>> boot
>> from this
>> disk (is not the problem) and than connecting the PC to the LAN and
>> copy files from the server.
>> Which files are needed on the BOOT disk ?
The absolute minimum is a copy of the kernel on the boot diskette with
a few bits set appropriately. Read Documentation/nfsroot.txt in the
Linux source tree. Compile a kernel as indicated and pay attention to
the following section for ease of application:
3.1) Writing the kernel onto a floppy using dd:
As always you can just write the kernel onto a floppy using dd,
but then it's not possible to use kernel command lines at all.
To substitute the 'root=' parameter, create a dummy device on any
linux system with major number 0 and minor number 255 using mknod:
mknod /dev/boot255 c 0 255
Then copy the kernel zImage file onto a floppy using dd:
dd if=/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage of=/dev/fd0
And finally use rdev to set the root device:
rdev /dev/fd0 /dev/boot255
You can then remove the dummy device /dev/boot255 again. There
is no real device available for it.
The other two kernel command line parameters cannot be substi-
tuted with rdev. Therefore, using this method the kernel will
by default use RARP and/or BOOTP, and if it gets an answer via
RARP will mount the directory /tftpboot/<client-ip>/ as its
root. If it got a BOOTP answer the directory name in that answer
is used.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1998 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: 01 Jan 1999 23:30:37 -0500
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
-> I get very little spam these days. I think some of the spammers are
-> getting the message. If you want to advertise, set up a website and
-> buy ads on the search engines and other high traffic sites.
-> Interested potential customers will come to you if you offer a
-> legitimate bussiness.
Jynx! I got two today. Both were identical from the same sender.
Who the hell writes that bulk mailing software? They are idiots. All
they have to do is look at majordomo to see how to do it right.
It's not just the spam. It's the same spam.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
"Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
-- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: engineering practices in Linux/OSS
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:46:38 GMT
Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Mike L." schrieb:
> > Unix soit qui mal y pense.
> Ok, I'm not literate enough, nor is my French quite good enough.
> What's that mean? (Expliquez-vous en francais, s'il vous plait...)
I'll explain in English if you don't mind. The original quotation is
(I think) "Honi soit qui mal y pense". It's a quotation from an
Engligh King, Edward II if I remember correctly, and it's what he said
on the occasion that caused the creation of the Order of the Garter.
It means, roughly "Let he be ashamed, who thinks badly of it". As for
the "Unix" variant, as far as I can see it doesn't make sense. But
then, I'm not a native 12th-century-French speaker.
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