Linux-Misc Digest #606, Volume #19 Fri, 26 Mar 99 00:13:08 EST
Contents:
GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse) (JR)
/etc/usertty? (John Wiggins)
Re: No RV G2 for Linux (William Lacy)
Re: Modem list for Linux (Ted Staberow)
Re: microsoft bus mouse (mike)
Re: Help with X-Windows (jim)
Re: Please Help an Newbie (garv)
sendming mail with sendmail & fetchmail (average)
Re: 10 Gb disk, Win98, and Linux ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: Catch MicroSoft napping. ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: Fat 32 and linux: can I mount? (garv)
Re: Xconfigure (garv)
Re: Anyway to copy file to a DOS Floppy? (garv)
Re: LILO for DOS and Linux (Thomas Zajic)
Re: Database library for C++ Linux (gcc) (Christopher B. Browne)
yet another GNOME install question .. gotta sec? (R Michael)
Re: lpr problem with /dev/printer (Norm Jacobs)
netscape (Mark Robinson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JR)
Subject: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:39:43 GMT
<++many_snips> -- org thread: "Best free Unix? (why freeBSD?)
I spent several hours over the last three days reading a major portion
of this thread. I got hooked on it and had to keep on reading. It
was humorous in several branches and plain ol' nasty in others.
I am totally new to this scene. I have only recently gotten serious
about becoming Linux literate. Even though I have come across the GPL
license before I never gave it much attention. So I am posting this
in the effort to shed some light on what a newbie might think about
this GPL vs BSD license issue. I hope this is NOT considered
trolling!
One thing for sure, I (think) I have learned a lot about what the GPL
and BSD licensed agreements stand for. I was really surprised to find
out that they were THAT different. Let alone that they are at such
opposing sides. I am still a little fuzzy about how GNU fits into the
picture.
I must agree with the many who posted in this thread that we can live
with both of them. Like the democrats and the republicans must do at
times -- agree to disagree. However, like many facets of life, we
must choose sides or else we get shot at from both sides.
It might be interesting that at first I agreed more with the GPL way
of licensing free software, but after understanding more about it, I
am leaning more towards the BSD way. And here is why:
1) Most things in life are not free. Period. Final. Indisputable.
Then why should software be? Books aren't free. Even if you borrow
one from the library, taxes are paid to give one that privilege. It
would be nice if cable TV were free: If we only had to pay for the
hardware to bring us the content (like regular TV) and not the content
providers and the cable industry high profits.
2) Given the constraint in paragraph (1) no end user should complain
about free software whether it is licensed under GPL or BSD.
Regardless, it's a freebie! Hence, we CAN live with both. So IMO the
end user has nothing to do with the decision as to how to license free
software.
3) What motivation is there for creating new software? If all
developers were forced to use GPL, not very much. If that were the
case, new software would only come from those programmers that compare
good code to art. Pushing and popping registers, in my opinion is not
an art, it is a discipline.
4) Most all things are learned from the experience of others. There
is only so many variations that one can code a given algorithm. If you
take the GPL to an extreme (or for that matter the copyright law to an
extreme) there is very little low level stuff you can do in code
without infringing on someones rights. Just because I learned how to
code a particular algorithm in a particular language with one
employer, and then reuse that same knowledge with another employer,
does not mean that my current employer must pay my ex-employer
royalties. At least this is the way I perceive what this issue is
about -- pieces and chunks of code. And more than likely anyone that
has ever "lifted" pieces of code has modified it in one way or another
--- yet it is not their original code. I guess what I am saying is,
like or not GPL'ers your code ends up in non GPL software.
5) Therefore, the argument I am making is that if you take GPL to an
extreme, BSD wins by default. Of course I can chose not to use either
-- I could roll my own, I could release my code without any license
agreement or copyright at all, or I could just keep the code myself
and make others disassemble it. Or I could just keep the binary and
be the only user ever!!!
Still seems however, that Linux "the GPL'd OS" is more popular by far
than FreeBSD -- why is that? Explain to me you BSD'ers.
JR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Wiggins)
Subject: /etc/usertty?
Date: 26 Mar 1999 03:24:55 GMT
Ok, I've read in the login man page about the
/etc/usertty file, but I can't find any example
file. Where might I find one, or has anyone been
able to get this file working?
--
Gunther Dragon --=(UDIC)=-- John Wiggins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://comp.uark.edu/~jwiggins/
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From: William Lacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No RV G2 for Linux
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:03:06 GMT
I wrote to them asking about a G2 player for Linux, I got a cut and
pasted reply (don't rate a human reply I suppose) that didnt' actually
answer my question. Here is what they sent back:
==========================================================
Stream, RealNetworks Customer Service wrote:
==========================================================
Hello:
Question: For Player Plus usage, I notice that you support Windows 95,
WindowsN
T, and PowerMac. Will you ever develop this software for other
operating system
s?
Answer: At this time, we do not plan on producing "native" versions of
our Play
er Plus software for other platforms than Windows95, Windows NT, and
PowerMac.
Customer Service
RealNetworks
I didn't ask about "Player Plus" I asked them about a G2 player.
I sent them a second email and got the same back. They obviously didn't
read my question either time, so I called them and talked to Customer
support who passed the buck to tech support. None of these people knew
of plans for a Linux G2 viewer. The tech support guy told me that Linux
was not a big enough market and that's why they weren't planning on a G2
for Linux. I think he was just making it up but who knows? He said the
development costs were too high. I noticed today that they have a
Producer package for Linux that has a built-in viewer. I suppose that
taking the viewer code out of that is too expensive.
Maybe they are planning on a G2 for linux but they did not read either
email that I sent and the people I talked to (three total) well, I
already told about that. I really wanted to buy it if they make a for
sale version. If they ever do it, I will think twice about giving money
to a company that won't even read the email that they get.
As it is I'm disgusted. I know there are good software companies out
there, and I don't mind spending money on software, but I'm sick of
software companies treating the people that supply the money that pays
thier bills like dirt.
Carl Fink wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:39:51 GMT William Lacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I just got an email back from Real.com telling me that they are not
> >planning on making a G2 player for anyone but MS-Mac.
> >That, of course leaves us out and BeOS as well.
>
> Really? I've gotten two saying that they ARE going to have Linux
> version, "hopefully within six months." That was about a week ago.
> --
> Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
> <http://dm.net>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:56:34 -0600
From: Ted Staberow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: tstaber@no!spam.ibm.net
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Modem list for Linux
Hi Eric,
This looks like a good resource.
Thanks!
--
Ted Staberow
Prairie Networking, Inc.
We Like GNU Ideas.
Eric Bryant wrote:
> Anyone with a question of whether your modem is compatable with Linux
> can find a very resourceful list at
>
> http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
>
> Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mike)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: microsoft bus mouse
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:10:24 GMT
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:50:25 GMT, Curt Steger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>You might also want to make sure that your sound card (IRQ5) does not conflict with
>your bus mouse card (IRQ5). If they conflict, then neither will work.
>
>With the cost of a serial mouse around a couple-o-bucks, it would be easier to go
>that route.
>
Doesn't support for the busmouse need to be compiled into the kernel?
I don't know if Redhat does this by default.
-Mike
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From: jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.dev.svgalib,linux.redhat.
Subject: Re: Help with X-Windows
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:08:25 -0400
Hi Jesse:
X is one of the big stumbling blocks for newbies, but here are some
tips.
First, install and reinstall a lot. The more you do it, the more you are
going to learn.
Second, get a good book on Linux. I'm using the Que book "Using Linux".
It comes with rh 5.1
Next, join newsgroups, and read them as much as possible. I try to
answer as many questions as I can, and it is making a difference.
Now for your X problem.
Run Xf86Config, and if your card is not listed, and I'm relatively sure
it's not, then look for every card with the same as your card. This can
be a slow process, but eventually you'll hit the right one.
You might try to run your monitor as a "generic multisync", that's what
I did and X now runs perfectly for me. I hope this helps.
Jim McIntyre
Webmaster Program
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova scotia
Canada
Now, just play with the OS. The worst thing that can is that you're
wrong.
Jesse Olson wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody! I may have posted this to some inappropriate ng's and for
> that I am sorry. I am a newbie to the world of Linux. I obtained a copy of
> Redhat Linux 5.1 the other day and finally got it coexisting with Win95 on
> my system. So far all I have been able to do is some basic commands using
> the 'bash' shell. I want to get X-Windows running but I am having some
> problems. When I try to start it(startx) it does a bunch of stuff and then
> says something like "Found graphics device - unable to establish mode".
> That isn't nearly word for word but it's similar. My monitor is listed
> correctly in the XF86Config file but my graphics card is listed as a generic
> SVGA.
>
> I have a Guillemot Maxi Gamer Phoenix PCI w/ 16MB SGRAM and 3Dfx Voodoo
> Banshee chipset. My monitor is a 14" Optiquest V641. Does anbody have any
> ideas that I can try?
>
> I am still very new to this so please respond with instructions as detailed
> as possible.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Jesse Olson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please Help an Newbie
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:13:45 -0800
Trey wrote:
> I accidentally erased some very important files and don't know how or if
> i can recover them. "locate" still shows the files but the directories
>
Do an:
updatedb
then see what" locate" does.
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From: average <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sendming mail with sendmail & fetchmail
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:49:37 +0800
i may have this set up wrong but my maillog tells me that it is sending
mail using sendmail. in my start up scripts i call fetchmail -d and use
fetchmailrc in home dir.
but it works and thats not the problem for now
my problem is when i send mail to my isp it has my local login name
@isp.com.
i have looked into /etc/sendmail.cf & /etc/sendmail.cw for the field to
change my outgoing mail address to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
at this point in time i have to telnet to my isp to use thier mail
software to send my mail
barry
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10 Gb disk, Win98, and Linux
Date: 26 Mar 1999 04:15:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dhbrown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I spent much time trying to get a 10 Gb disk to attach to a Win 95
>machine, and
>finally gave up... the EZ-drive software wouldn't load...
I have never been able to get EZ-drive to work at all.
Others have reported that it works. There is something the
driver and BIOS writers know that they are not telling the
rest of us.
>Then in Linux,
>(2.0.35),
>fdisk wouldn't even look at the drive--"can't read hda".
I've had that problem with Linux fdisk and older BIOSes, when
trying to use more than about 7 GB on the drive.
The message from fdisk when it tries to read back the
PT it just wrote is "/dev/hdb: unable to seek."
I suspect a long-standing driver bug.
The solution is to blow away the faulty partition table
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb count=1
and start over, and this time don't try to use more than 7 GB
until you get a better BIOS.
Not a word about this in the Large IDE HOWTO.
I suspect its maintainer has been unable to get the info.
>Anybody else ever run into this?
If you find out, let me know, and it will get into the LILO HOWTO
next time around. Right now, I don't have the information, so
I can't document it.
Cameron
cls (at) truffula.sj.ca.us
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Catch MicroSoft napping.
Date: 26 Mar 1999 04:17:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stirling Hamersley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Will Linux be able to develop enough to be "accepted" as "user
>friendly".
Only if the developers slow down a little and fill the holes
in the documentation.
Otherwise, that need will be filled by consultants,
and Linux will be as full of secrets as its competition.
Cameron
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fat 32 and linux: can I mount?
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:19:03 -0800
jeff m wrote:
> Doug Burgess wrote:
>
> > Go to the /mnt subdirectory and make a place for your drive to be
> > mounted .... say fat32_part so
> >
> >
Edit fstab:
/dev/fd0 /mnt/vfat vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0
make di in /mnt/vfat
and then just
mount /mnt/vfat
you be done
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xconfigure
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:21:39 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am using Redhat5.2 now. I don't know if it is possible to setup
>
It's Xconfigurator and it is straight-forward.
If it screws, start over.
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyway to copy file to a DOS Floppy?
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:29:26 -0800
Dennis Megarry wrote:
> I have some files on my linux box and need to copy them to a standard msdos
> fat16 floppy in drive A:
>
If you have kernel 2.0.36 (Red Hat 5.2) you can edit you /etc/fstab:
/dev/fd0 /mnt/vfat vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0
then create /mnt/vfat dir
Then you can
mount /mnt/vfat and when you cd /mnt/vfat, there are your DOS/Winx files.
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From: Thomas Zajic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LILO for DOS and Linux
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:02:23 GMT
Lian PL wrote:
> I am runnung Slackware ver 2. My LILO allows me only to boot Linux. How
> do I get it to choose between Dos and Linux.
Slack 2?! This is really, really, REALLY old - you might want to get
a more recent one, we�re currently at 3.6 ...
> I have used the left shift and the tab ? Where did I go wrong and any
> suggestions to rectify this problem.
> The system was working fine using Loadlin.
Why not stick with Loadlin, then? If it ain�t broken, don�t fix it.
I�m also using Slack & Loadlin since day one, never bothered to even
try Lilo.
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.databases.progress,comp.programming
Subject: Re: Database library for C++ Linux (gcc)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:28:15 GMT
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:59:06 GMT, No Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>I am looking for a database library for C++ for linux.
What "orientation" do you want to have?
a) SQL?
b) OODBMS?
c) Some sort of key/value storage system?
GDBM, which has been named as a suggestion, is an example of c), and I
suspect is less sophisticated than what you're looking for. Sleepycat DB is
somewhat more sophisticated, but possibly still less than what is wanted.
PostgreSQL is an SQL database system offering object/relational capabilities
which can be accessed from C++ programs, and is a bit of a cross between a)
and b) (tho mostly a)). See <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/rdbms.html> for a
number of SQL options.
There are a number of "Object Databases;" <http://www.ispras.ru/~knizhnik>
has one that is certainly C++-oriented. See
<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/rdbmsoo.html> for some other options.
>I am also looking for
>advice on a book for C++ that is specific to Linux. I have a good background
>of C++, I have taken a 3months course in C++, but I need a book that goes a
>little bit further. I am required to do a database program for Linux using
>C++ (has to be C++).
I'm not aware of books specifically on Linux *and* C++; generally speaking,
the best idea *should* be to look at books that are on Standard C++, as that
is what both you and the Linux-based C++ compilers are supposed to be
tracking.
>I was also wondering if it is possible to write a C++ program that would
>make use of x-window features.
Surely. Notable GUI libraries that use C++ include Qt, FLTK, GTK--; any of
those should be pretty usable.
>I am still a sort of making my first steps in the field, so please feel free
>to correct me if I am wrong.
Nothing wrong with asking questions :-).
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: R Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: yet another GNOME install question .. gotta sec?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:39:54 GMT
Hello ..
I would appreciate a hand troubleshooting the following core dump .. Can
someone help me out? Here's the error I get when doing "gnome-session" from
my shell prompt.
SESSION_MANAGER=local/aristotle:/tmp/.ICE-unix/4210,tcp/aristotle:3040
Priority 00 : Starting Id = default0
Priority 00 : Cloning Id = default0
Priority 00 : Registering Id = (null)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[me@host]# ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 4213, errno = 2
This is from an xterm prompt, with Enlightenment 0.15-4 running as my wm.
I've been trying to install GNome 1.0 (with the updated 1.0.3 libs,core,
etc.) - WITHOUT doing a rpm -Uvh * (which an absolutely ridiculous solution
for installation IMHO).
Without enlightment running .. Gtk complains that it can't open the display.
That is, #gnome-session from the console...
Incidently, does anyone have a tree diagram or some such thing showing the
definitive requirements for Gnome from the ground up? Figuring this out is
insanity. There are deps upon deps upon deps, which are in README after
README .. what's going on here? Gnome looks great, but I'm starting to think
it's simply a red herring project by KDE so we'll all switch .. ;)
I had 0.99 running from Redhat's discs .. but a scratch 1.0.3 install is
proving a little more difficult.
Thanks for any help, pls. email it .. Cheers..
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From: Norm Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: lpr problem with /dev/printer
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:40:38 -0700
/dev/printer is a unix domain socket used by lpr, lpq, lprm, and lpc to talk to
a local lpd. The socket is created by lpd when it starts. lpd must be running
for
it to exist.
-Norm
[root@mumble jacobs]# ls -l /dev/printer
srw------- 1 root root 0 Mar 20 04:00 /dev/printer
[root@mumble jacobs]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd stop
Shutting down lpd: lpd
[root@mumble jacobs]# ls -l /dev/printer
ls: /dev/printer: No such file or directory
[root@mumble jacobs]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd start
Starting lpd: lpd
[root@mumble jacobs]# ls -l /dev/printer
srw------- 1 root root 0 Mar 25 21:39 /dev/printer
[root@mumble jacobs]#
NewsMan wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > NewsMan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > : I do not understand why I have this problem:
> >
> > : $ lpr -h -Plp faxcover.ps
> > : lpr: connect: No such file or directory
> > : jobs queued, but cannot start daemon.
> >
> > Wow! I solved the problem by myself at last. /dev/printer has
> > somehow been removed from the dev directory. I have no idea
> > how it was removed. How could I ever think that /dev/printer
> > must be there in addition to /dev/lp[0-3]? BTW, when I first
> > reinstall dev-*.rpm, I got
> >
> > prw-------
> >
> > from 'ls -l /dev/pritner'. Then, after I print something, it changed to
> >
> > srw------
> >
> > What are those "p" and "s" bits?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > G. Hugh Song
>
> Further findings: It is a general problem of at least RedHat's Linux
> on both Alpha and Intel platforms.
> Playing with printtool somehow deletes /dev/printer, which is
> known to be one of the so-called sockets (socket for what?).
>
> At what point does this device disappear? Searching through the
> dejanews archive of comp.os.linux.alpha showed that people
> had similar problems in the past. It must be a bug which nobody
> has really figured out yet.
>
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From: Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: netscape
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:02:03 GMT
Netscape when running doesn't show the info bars(ie personal et al). No
what I do netscape won't show them. I have enable all the toolbar
buttons but netscape tries to cram the whole thing into 8 pixels. How
do I solve this?
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