Linux-Misc Digest #656, Volume #19 Tue, 30 Mar 99 07:13:18 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux and Exchange Server (Mike)
Re: exchange client that runs on LInux (Mike)
Re: Linux as a POP3 server (Francesc Guasch)
Re: Urgent!! group descriptors corrupted!! (Francesc Guasch)
Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment.... (jedi)
Re: please recommend some books for newbie (Mike)
Re: video card (Trident 3D image 9750) (Andrew Comech)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs? (Harry)
Re: Error compiling kernel for Redhat 5.2 (Villy Kruse)
Boot messages (Aaron Ginn)
Kernel 2.2.5 or 2.2.4? (RH 5.2) ("Seyed Razavi")
Re: C Programmer Needed (P11)
Re: Linux Zealots ? Was Which Voodoo for a P200? (Shane Pearson)
Re: LILO ("James Schontzler")
Re: Can't compile kernel-2.2.5 on rh5.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux and Exchange Server ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Modem hangs up (Christian Nake)
Re: Error compiling kernel for Redhat 5.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Canon BJC 7000 and Apsfilter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Stealth II videocard ("Lefebre, Shawn")
Re: read boot messages (Mihalis Tsoukalos)
top on telnet (Danny Aldham)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the (Keith Keller)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Michael Powe)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Johan Kullstam)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Subject: Re: Linux and Exchange Server
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:03:31 GMT
Is there a reason for this post? What's the point of simply copying
what someone else has posted?
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:58:40 -05-59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim
Kelley) wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:25:17 GMT, Robert Binz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Good day all,
>>
>>I am looking for a Exchange Server Client that will run under Linux.
>>Our office has moved to Exchange 5.5 and the people running the
>>Exchange servers refuse to open up pop or imap. Since I use Linux as
>>my OS at work I have found myself having to logout of Linux and boot
>>into MS OS and do my mail thing and then boot back into Linux.
>>
>>Does anyone have knowledge of a exchange native client for Linux?
>>Anyone working on one and needs a beta tester?
>>
>>TIA
>>Robert Binz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Subject: Re: exchange client that runs on LInux
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:07:07 GMT
Actually the wins shouldn't be a problem, samba can be a wins client,
it's the mapi protocol that exchange uses and like someone else in
this thread has noted most administrators turn off pop3 and imap
access to exchange. Wish mine would turn it on, it's the only reason I
have to reboot into NT at work :-(
mike
On 26 Mar 1999 17:45:38 GMT, Allen Ahoffman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Earlier a message asked how to get outlook working on the LInux box.
>
>I ahve the same question, and many were confused by the simple question.
>
>How do you get a LInux box to pick up its mail from an Exchange server,
>not a pop3 server thats easy. In NT networks Exchange servers require
>WINS authentication etc, how to make this work would be a real step
>forward.
>
>
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From: Francesc Guasch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux as a POP3 server
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:07:10 +0200
Kerry J. Cox wrote:
>
> Howdy,
> I set up my RedHat5.2 box as a pop3 server the other day. I simply
> grabbed the latest version of Pine, coimpiled it from source,m grabbed
> the ipop2d and ipop3d binaries, stuck them in /usr/sbin and then edited
> /etc/inetd.conf so they would start up. Rather unorthodox but it's how
> I got things working on Solaris 2.6.
The cyrus-imap server also comes with a pop3 server.
It works great for me.
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From: Francesc Guasch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Urgent!! group descriptors corrupted!!
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:11:39 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi,
> My linux box suddenly crash and give me only a message like
> "group descriptors corrupted". I get the same message even boot from other HD
> and try to mount it :(
>
> I have some important but not yet been backuped data inside the
> hardisk(gosh!), any help will be appreciated.
> Thank a lot.
Make the boot and root rescue disks from your slackware distribution
cdrom,
or better try to get the latest from the network.
Reboot from diskettes and do:
e2fsck -y /dev/hda1 (or whatever partition you have)
( fdisk -l should show you the partition table)
If you happen to have bad blocks add the -c swith so it checks them
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To:
microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,micorosft.public.outlook
Subject: Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment....
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:03:48 -0800
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:27:40 +0300, Alexander I. Butenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Alexander I. Butenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Well,, I'd beter think that there is a Server for the client, not
>> > vice-versa.
>>
>> *boggle* what exactly are you trying to say? this sentence doesn't
>> make any sense to me.
>
>I mean that we can't say that we should cnsider the Server the main thing in
>the net, the main thing is the client and its needs. If our Server fulfills
>our client needs - it's good, if not - no.
>>
>> > And one more - the question was about the OS for the home. MOst
>> > hom eusers can't even properly configure Win98, so the most correct
>answer
>> > about the Server was not linux but WIndows NT.
>>
>> but if you can't do win98, wtf are you doing with nt server? windows
>> nt is kind of like windows 98. they are different enought that once
>> you get under the skin lot of stuff is different so that a competent
>> win98 user may get lost. they are alike enough that someone who can't
>> do win98 won't be able do windows nt.
>
> I meanthat most home users are like this. And it'll be anyway easier for
>them to configure NT than Linux.
IFF it is strictly a LAN. Even then there are gui configurators
for the various servers, especially samba.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: please recommend some books for newbie
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:43:10 GMT
Hi,
I rarely see this book mentioned but I have found Using Linux
published by QUE to be very helpful. It just tells you step by step
how to do things, mainly based on the RedHat distro. Very easy to
follow for someone new. It isn't complete but then I haven't found any
book that is. I have at this point probably at least 10 books on Linux
ranging from the general (like the above) to the specific (Learning
the Bash Shell) plus reading the newsgroups, the HOWTO's, the stuff in
/usr/doc, various webpages and just about anything else I can find.
I'd suggest browsing some books at the bookstore and find one that
seems to make sense to you. I'd echo the comments on both Linux for
Dummies (I was dumb, I bought it) and Running Linux. I haven't bought
it for the same reason Adam hasn't. The 1996 copyright date. I've
heard good things about it though.
HTH
mike
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:44:29 -0500, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all linux expert
>
>Would anyone of you recommend some good books to me?
>Or, is it worth to buy book as I am a newbie?
>Do you guys think that any good site on the web is good for beginner?
>
>any suggestion
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Comech)
Subject: Re: video card (Trident 3D image 9750)
Date: 29 Mar 1999 12:13:35 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ken quach wrote:
>Hi all,
>I just install Trident 3D image 9750 video card (AGP) to my redhat 5.2
>machine. But it does not seem to work
>Redhat does not have my video card on the video card list, so i choose
>others type of Trident chipset. but it only work in 480X640 mode,
>whenever I choose higher than that the screen showing garbag.
>
>can anyone please tell me how to setup the Trident card as i am using
>AcerView 56C.
>
Hi, we just exchanged a few posts about Trident 9750, look them up
at searchlinux.com !!
Cheese,
Andrew
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:06:57 -0500
> OTOH, when you get a blue screen of death, how easy is
> NT to use?
Back to finger pointing then?
I say Unix software lacks ease of use and you say NT gives you
BSODs. Yip, that's definitely going to make Unix software better.
I'm not a software engineer but I've written GUI-based applications
using both Java and Visual Basic. It's easy to get it wrong - I
know. But with a little feedback from users, it's also easy to get
it right.
Harry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: Error compiling kernel for Redhat 5.2
Date: 30 Mar 1999 11:20:36 +0200
In article <7docum$8am$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In his obvious haste, Martin R. Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
>: And I can find that where?
>
>It should be a standard install from the Red Hat CD, considering you can't
>compile anything without it.
>
Actually, the as86 program in the bin86 package is hardly used anywhere else
but for compiling the start-up code of the linux kernel. It is required
because some of the start-up code has to run in real-mode, and that requires
a different assmbler from the normal protected 386-mode programs.
Villy
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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Boot messages
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:02:39 -0700
Hi,
I just installed Red Hat 5.2 over the weekend on my new Pentium II.
After a few minor headaches, the install went relatively well; I'm now
dual booting Win98 and Linux. During boot, I get messages stating that
some of my disk partitions are not cleanly unmounted. Should I be
concerned with this, and is there anything I need to do to address the
problem? Also, are the messages at boot time written to a logfile
somewhere?
Thanks in advance.
Aaron
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From: "Seyed Razavi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel 2.2.5 or 2.2.4? (RH 5.2)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:30:01 +0100
Hi,
After spending hours trying to compile 2.2.5 on my RedHat 5.2 system I
wondered if there were any known problems with this version and should I
upgrade to 2.2.4 instead?
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From: P11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.programmer,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: C Programmer Needed
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:18:46 +0700
I will help you with no charge !!!!!!
Doug Amdur wrote:
>
> I have a small commercial UNIX application and need a programmer to help
> modify some existing C code. The program is a desktop manager for
> character terminals, and the area needing change relates to mail and
> uses a curses library. I don't believe this is a very involved project.
> I have a fairly limited budget, but can pay a few hundred dollars for
> your services. If anyone's interested, please contact me. I'm in the
> Los Angeles area, but am willing to work via the internet.
>
> Thanks,
> Doug Amdur
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:28:15 +0000
From: Shane Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Zealots ? Was Which Voodoo for a P200?
Matthias Warkus wrote:
> > Never. Not bad for a "hacked UNIX".
>
> It's not a hacked UNIX, it's a complete rewrite of a POSIX-compliant
> operating system, which happens to run most Unix software quite
> nicely.
I was just being sarcastic. :)
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From: "James Schontzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: LILO
Date: 29 Mar 1999 10:35:27 PST
Alex Romaniuk wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>As prompt appears there is only LI showing and everything is dead.
>(LILO has worked fine with system on secondary IDE).
>LI stands actually for wrong geometry or something like that.
Michael J. Parmeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Hello,
>
> In your /etc/lilo.conf file try adding the word "linear" in your global
> section (up at the top) and then run /usr/sbin/lilo and that might fix
> your problem. Only getting "LI" at boot up is a well documented
> problem.
>
> regards
> mike p.
>
>
The above might fix your problem.
- James
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Can't compile kernel-2.2.5 on rh5.2
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:22:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Stxphane Huguet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Error 2 - and apparently a problem with something named 'as86' - is
Install the bin86 package
> I also would like to know were to find bzip2 - in the
contrib.redhat.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Exchange Server
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:29:38 GMT
Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a reason for this post? What's the point of simply copying
> what someone else has posted?
Finger trouble usually, and a reader than doesn't warn about the ratio
of new/old content.
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From: Christian Nake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Modem hangs up
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:01:59 +0200
Hi,
On my box I have installed SuSE 5.3 and kernel 2.0.36. I use the kppp
front end for pppd to connect to our University terminal server. No
problem so far.
After some minutes of active connection my modem ( ELSA MicroLink 56k )
hangs up.
This are the pppd messages in /var/log/messages :
Mar 29 21:55:13 XXXXXX pppd[278]: pppd 2.2.0 started by XXXXXX, uid XXX
Mar 29 21:55:13 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Using interface ppp0
Mar 29 21:55:13 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Mar 29 21:55:16 XXXXXX pppd[278]: local IP address XXX.XX.XX.XXX
Mar 29 21:55:16 XXXXXX pppd[278]: remote IP address XXX.XX.XX.XXX
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Terminating on signal 15.
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR, IPX_DLTITF) 22:
Invalid argument
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Connection terminated.
Mar 29 21:58:54 XXXXXX pppd[278]: Exit.
Can someone please help with this? ( I'm not a C programmer. )
Christian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Error compiling kernel for Redhat 5.2
Date: 29 Mar 1999 17:23:34 GMT
In his obvious haste, Martin R. Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: And I can find that where?
It should be a standard install from the Red Hat CD, considering you can't
compile anything without it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Canon BJC 7000 and Apsfilter
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:48:56 GMT
Hi,
i am using a Canonon BJC 7000 with Apsfilter. Printing in the Apsfilter Setup
and from GIMP is no Problem (in Color with a good Quality). All other
Aplications (StarOffice, 'ls | lpr' in a Shell) don't work.
The Power-LED blinks, and LPRQ says the Printig is in Progress. I am using the
Canon BJC 800 driver from Ghostscript 5.10. Any Ideas?
thx
Patrick
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From: "Lefebre, Shawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Stealth II videocard
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:46:09 -0500
I recently bought a Diamond Stealth II 2D/3D video card to replace my
Number 9 video card. I needed to change my XConfigurator settings, but
can't set it up to run Xwindows with the new card. Does anyone know how
I can add support for the card? I am currently running Red Hat 5.1.
Thanks,
Shawn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mihalis Tsoukalos)
Subject: Re: read boot messages
Date: 30 Mar 1999 07:10:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is a command for this.
dmesg
have a nice day,
mihalis.
MPatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: how do i read boot messages after they have scrolled by? is there an
: equivelent to dos' F8?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Aldham)
Subject: top on telnet
Date: 29 Mar 1999 18:38:35 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
I am running top on a rh5.2 box over a telnet session. I only
get the top 4 or 5 lines displayed. Any ideas?
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From: Keith Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:34:20 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Harry wrote:
>
> Hold on a minute ... don't programs crash on Linux?
Yes, they do; my Netscape goes south about once a
week (and I've been too lazy to troubleshoot it).
*BUT*, when an application does crash in Linux, it
almost never brings the OS with it. Can any OS
from M$ say that? (From personal experience,
Win3.x, Win95, and NT can't.)
> Besides which, that's not the point. The point is that
> usability seems to occupy very little of a Linux software
> designer's attention. Does it cost $ to make the command
> to install software "Install"?
I'm not a programmer, but here's my usual process for
installing most Linux software:
configure
make
make install
Okay, sometimes I have to edit a configuration file,
or specify options on the configure command line. This
is usually from packages that aren't extremely well-
established.
A good example of what you're asking, I think, is the Perl
installation; when you run configure, it prompts you with
configuration questions, and you can override the questions
altogether with command-line options. Are the questions
easy to answer? Well...no, not always, but if you're
using Linux, you've made a conscious decision to use
an OS that's not always easy to use.
OTOH, when you get a blue screen of death, how easy is
NT to use? You'd usually reboot and hope that the problem
doesn't recur. With Linux, you at least have the option
of trying to fix the problem yourself, or seeing if
someone else has had the same problem and has a fix.
--Keith
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: 30 Mar 1999 01:41:24 -0800
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>>>>> "Joe" == SpAmEnOt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joe> On 16 Mar 1999, Michael Powe wrote:
>> This sounds like a job for Gnus in `agent' mode.
Joe> OK maybe... I'll have to confess my ignorance about Gnus...
Joe> Does it require it's users to accept a GUI as their User
Joe> Interface??
No resource-sucking GUI here. You don't even have to use it in X.
mp
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Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 30 Mar 1999 06:58:38 -0500
Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Horst von Brand wrote:
> >
> > RedHat developed rpm and the whole installation for the
> > distribution from scratch, together with assorted administration
> > tools (control-panel, glint, among others) and they also host
> > (and fund) the Gnome development.
> >
> Bloatware. I suppose you'd go for it if someone were to meet you
> at the door of the supermarket, sent you round to the exit, and
> insisted that you take a trolley, packed the way that *they*
> decide is best.
no one makes you install these things.
> > Besides, the '-28' in their latest libc-5.3.12-28.i386.rpm for
> > example means essentially 28 patchsets (some local, others
> > contributed) applied to the base, pristine source. Plus
> > checking out who knows how many more and testing the whole
> > stuff together as a distribution. They are also active in
> > checking security.
> >
> As I said before, I prefer pristine code. If they patch it, it is
> not pristine. No "non-Redhat" patches can be applied. That makes
> it proprietary.
there is a pristine source in the source rpm along with redhat's
patches which are distinct diff files. you can still apply your own
patches. you can remove the redhat patches.
in addition to being able to modify the package contents, you can put
them on a cdrom and sell them yourself. this sounds very far from
proprietary to me.
also, nothing stops you from downloading your source and installing it
the usual way. redhat comes complete with tar, make and gcc.
> It doesn't take much to create a distribution! Anyone can do it.
> All you need is a packaging method, and the components that you
> want to include in your package. There are probably *hundreds*
> of distributions around.
yes there are. no one makes you use redhat. if you do not care for
redhat, do not use it. redhat does have actual problems. i challenge
you to find them and not just make up random lies.
> > That is _not_ "just packing" in my book.
>
> It's also pretty good marketing.
sure. what do you expect?
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