Linux-Misc Digest #665, Volume #19 Wed, 31 Mar 99 01:13:12 EST
Contents:
uninstall ("Roland Herrera")
Re: I killed my Linux box ("Dan M. Johnson (bagzman)(LinuxBox1)")
fun with [MS] spellcheckers... ("Tom Emerson")
Re: Anyway to copy file to a DOS Floppy? (Lou Poppler)
Yet Another Lame Anti-RHS Thread... (Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for
Redhat Linux 6.0) (Christopher Browne)
Re: data base (Christopher Browne)
Re: Database and Wordprocessing apps for console mode? (Christopher Browne)
Help with gnome ("Henry Ostrowski")
Re: Partitioning 19 GB Drive ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: LILO boot?? ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: Help with .tar.gz (walt moffett)
Re: dumb rpm question (afterstep rpm) (Gary Portnoy)
Re: fstab and user access ("Charles Sullivan")
Re: How do I .... (**Nick Brown)
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From: "Roland Herrera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: uninstall
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 02:05:32 +0100
Please a helper !
I've installed linux red hat 5.2 on my D partition -
( LILO boot is on C )
How do I uninstall + get rid of LILO + get my partition back ?
Well - I don't have the time to guess what it all does
Thx
Roland
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From: "Dan M. Johnson (bagzman)(LinuxBox1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.questions,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: I killed my Linux box
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:53:51 -0800
Do the hack lilo command: linux (or what you have for your lilo set into
linux) and then type 1 for going into runlevel 1. EX:
LILO: linux 1
Give it a try, hmm, it might possibly work. Good luck.
-Dan- http://spyol.dynip.com
Nadine wrote:
> Something went horribly wrong when I tried to install StarOffice 5.0 the
> other day.
>
> I'm running RedHat 5.1 (upgraded here and there) and KDE 1.1. StarOffice
> needed some glibc libraries that it supposedly couldn't find on my pc.
> Since that glibc .tar file that came with the program was to be
> installed in a StarOffice subdirectory, I thought what the hey, install
> it anyway.
>
> 1. From an X Windows terminal I run /bin/sh to then run the script that
> installs the libraries (as is said in the readme).
> 2. The libraries don't install successfully, and the shell stops
> recognizing commands.
> 3. I can't even exit X properly, and when I press ctl-alt-backspace it
> comes back to a command line login instead of kdm.
> 4. Try to shutdown:
> /bin/shutdown: file not found
> 5. I do the forbidden: press the power button.
>
> Needless to say, nothing cleared up magically when I rebooted. The
> normal Linux boot messages scroll up the screen, until it gets to this:
> Partition check
> hda1 hda2 <hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8>
> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
>
> Then nothing. Blank. You enter commands and there's no reaction, not
> even an error message. I tried to use RedHat's rescue disk and get
> nothing but an error message, too.
>
> So, what do I do? Should I start looking for an upgrade disk? Is all my
> data loss (well, the stuff that wasn't backed up yet?) Please help me.
>
> Sob. Sob. Boo-hoo.
>
> --
> Nadine
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.dsuper.net/~anacaona
> http://www.chenpeyi.com/tww
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Best damn mammy portrayals this side of the Atlantic!!!
> --- paraphrasing Ms. Watching:
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From: "Tom Emerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: fun with [MS] spellcheckers...
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:57:14 -0800
At work, I'm pretty much relegated to working w/MS products, but that
doesn't stop me from participating in linux newsgroups and e-mail lists.
Something I've noted over time is that MS's spellchecker has some really odd
beliefs about how to correct the spelling of several words I use..
Namely, MS's spell-checker believes Redhat is red-hot, while Caldera is
colder... [like we really needed another "redhat is becoming the microsoft
of linux" tie-in]
And when I posted about the "C" compilers gcc and ecgs, MS wanted to correct
these to Gucci and EKGs -- I guess at least one division of microsoft knows
we not only have "class", but we're not brain dead either... :)
So now I wonder -- what other common unix/linux commands, programs,
products, or whatever does MS try to "subvert" by auto-correcting to
otherwise random and meaningless words? What gems have you run across?
Tom
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From: Lou Poppler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anyway to copy file to a DOS Floppy?
Date: 30 Mar 1999 01:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:33:50 -0500, Dennis Megarry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have some files on my linux box and need to copy them to a standard msdos
: fat16 floppy in drive A:
: Is this possible?
Yes. You should have the mtools suite. The command you want is mcopy.
See:
http://linux.wauug.org/pub/knaff/mtools
--
Lou Poppler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | If you laid all of our laws end to
http://www.msen.com/~lwp/ | end, there would be no end.
-- Mark Twain [and /.]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Yet Another Lame Anti-RHS Thread... (Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree
for Redhat Linux 6.0)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:23:23 GMT
On 30 Mar 1999 19:40:58 GMT, Andre van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:33:06 +1200, Enkidu wrote:
>>Horst von Brand wrote:
>>> RedHat developed rpm and the whole installation for the
>>> distribution from scratch, together with assorted administration
>>> tools (control-panel, glint, among others) and they also host
>>> (and fund) the Gnome development.
>>>
>>Bloatware. I suppose you'd go for it if someone were to meet you
>>at the door of the supermarket, sent you round to the exit, and
>>insisted that you take a trolley, packed the way that *they*
>>decide is best.
>Call it bloatware. Linux needs this to compete with other OS' The cool
>thing about Linux is you don't HAVE to run the stuff if you don't wanna.
>Besides, Gnome and Redhat don't really force you in to anything. You can
>customize Gnome like mad also you don't HAVE to use the RedHat admin
>tools. If you feel like it grab VI and hack away!
Methinks that the *real* problem is that Red Hat has promoted something
that isn't as BSD-like as Slackware-partisans would prefer.
Linux is, in a sense, "neither fish nor fowl."
It rejects SysV-isms like STREAMS, and uses the BSD-based lpd.
But on the other hand, Red Hat is responsible for the "heinous crime" of
popularizing the use of SysV-style init scripts.
>I think it's really unfair to critisize RedHat and other Linux distro's and
>projects for making Linux easier, better, more populair and thus more accesible.
>
>>> checking out who knows how many more and testing the whole
>>> stuff together as a distribution. They are also active in
>>> checking security.
>>>
>>As I said before, I prefer pristine code. If they patch it, it is
>>not pristine. No "non-Redhat" patches can be applied. That makes
>>it proprietary.
Evidently some understanding of "pristine code" that I can't comprehend;
Red Hat *do* include the pristine code.
They keep their patches separate, which is well and good.
Is the argument here supposed to be that:
a) Red Hat should make sure that installation works with no more than a
"./configure"?
Is this a reasonable thing to try to do when there are thousands of
pieces of software out there that May Not Be Completely Debugged?
b) What if the software was written for FreeBSD, and they need to change
the pristine sources to make them work with a Linux?
There are only a limited number of plausible mechanisms for managing
this sort of thing; if the way that RPMs do this is "wrong," then I
think it behooves those that are being critical to point out that
Debian's dpkg and BSD Ports are similarly "wrong," as they use the same
sort of mechanism.
To criticize Red Hat for using [pristine sources] + [local patches] when
most other distribution systems do the same is disingenous at best.
>Use the source luke, just grab a tarball and compile the stuff. Or grab the
>src RPM hack the patches roll your own RPM again and put it on the web.
>
>sheez, RedHat and friends are not another Evil empire.
<sarcasm>
Of *course* they are. They're not Slackware, so they *must* be bent on
evil...
</sarcasm>
I find it appalling that it is only Red Hat that gets the brunt of these
criticisms when they apply equally well to Caldera, SuSE, Debian, and,
for that matter, Hurd, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD.
--
"take USABLE from UNSTABLE and you get NT"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: data base
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:23:25 GMT
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:07:08 +0200, Matthias Warkus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:30:29 GMT...
>..and Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:54:21 -0500, Rick Knebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >I would be interested in using a data base on linux.
>> >Right now at work I use Access.
>> >Is there any comporable GUI database for Linux???
>>
>> No, there does not exist a comporable GUI database for Linux.
>>
>> - There exist a whole *pile* of database servers that are *considerably*
>> more robust than the actual database that underlies Access. (Almost
>> *any* DB system is more robust than Access...)
>>
>> - There exist *some* graphically-oriented query tools. The "pgaccess"
>> system that comes with PostgreSQL is *somewhat* comparable to the
>> reporting tools that Access provides.
>>
>> - There does not exist a "form constructor" comparable to the one that
>> you use to construct "forms" with Access.
>>
>> People tend to suggest building web-based applications instead. That
>> may or may not be an acceptable option...
>
>I've heard a lot of good of the Unified Gnome Database Front-end or
>however it's called... but I must confess I never actually saw it
>interfacing to a database.
Does it include data entry ("form building") functionality? Or is it
just another reporting tool?
MS Access has *FIVE* major "modules":
a) Data Dictionary, where you can design and attach to tables,
b) View Dictionary, where you can create database queries (that
represent "views.")
c) Form Builder, where you can construct interactive "forms," screens
with fields for data entry,
d) Report Writer
e) Integrated Code Editor to stand behind c) and d)
Feel free to dislike its nonrobustness; a Linux "solution" that only
covers one of those "modules" of functionality is not a "solution."
- There exist lots of SQL databases that work with Linux. On the order
of 30.
- There are a fair number of attempts at report writers, and I expect
that the Unified GNOME Database Front-End represents Yet Another of
those.
- There's nothing quite like the "view dictionary."
It essentially represents an abstraction where SQL is recreated atop
SQL. That is, you get data from tables from various databases (they
might be in different sorts of "data stores" that could include SQL
databases; in theory, they might even be "views" from the perspective of
the database that they're in...), and then can join them together into
an SQL query that is analyzed *within Access.*
If you're wanting to build a TP system, this is probably not a robust
way to do it. *That* needs some DB-specific code.
But if you want to build a tool to analyze diverse data, this *is* a
powerful abstraction, paralleling the way that GNUS can unify news from
lots of sources, and TkRat can unify mail from lots of sources. Which
can be taken to imply that Microsoft didn't invent the idea of
multiplexing data sources together; they certainly *did* pick a good
idea, though.
- There is not, as far as I know, any Linux-based tool for building GUI
apps that is "database-table-aware."
--
"...very few phenomena can pull someone out of Deep Hack Mode, with two
noted exceptions: being struck by lightning, or worse, your *computer*
being struck by lightning." -- By Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/rdbms.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Database and Wordprocessing apps for console mode?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:23:31 GMT
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:29:28 GMT, Martin R. Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just wondering, is PostgreSQL overkill for a single user to keep track of
>addresses and a few other small databases (i.e. nothing more than about 300
>records...at least, not yet). Keep in mind I want to stay in CONSOLE MODE.
PostgreSQL is probably overkill; note that it is a *server* application,
and thus does not forcibly present *any* visible front end. In order
for you to query/modify the database, you need some front end code. The
bulk of what is being written for *any* of the DBMS systems for Linux
represent GUIed interfaces these days...
>Also, I asked this once before and was shocked at the answer, so I'm going
>to ask it again:
>
>Are there no wordprocessing packages for console mode Linux? (something like
>Wordstar or WordPerfect for DOS).
>
>And I'm aware of DOSEMU, but would really like something native to Linux (or
>a unice, anyways). The freedom and speed of the small console wordpro seems
>like it would be compromised and convoluted by having to run DOSEMU first.
>
>Feel free to call me a bonehead and straighten me out, though! :)
I am aware of two such packages:
a) Angoss SmartWare, and
b) Wazo.
See <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/wp.html> to find URLs for 'em...
Note that neither is particularly recent, both are "proprietary" (as
opposed to "free") software, and it is not obvious that you'll be
necessarily terribly happy with the user interfaces of either.
You're liable to have better success at finding credible editors for
TeX, LaTeX, *roff that run in console mode...
--
"...very few phenomena can pull someone out of Deep Hack Mode, with two
noted exceptions: being struck by lightning, or worse, your *computer*
being struck by lightning." -- By Matt Welsh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/rdbms.html>
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From: "Henry Ostrowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with gnome
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:25:15 +1000
I have installed gnome from my redhat CD and also configured it with the
config file. Everything went ok !!
What do I do now, how do I use the gnome ???
Can anyone help me ? please
Henry
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partitioning 19 GB Drive
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:24:09 -0500
Don't use Druid; use fdisk. Go into its 'expert' menu and set the correct
number of cylinders for your drive. Then return to the main menu and
you'll be able to partition the entire drive. Note: If you intend to boot
using LILO on the hard drive, you'll need to have a small /boot partition
entirely below the 1024 cylinder boundary.
Rey Rios wrote in message ...
>I've been trying to install Mandrake (red hat) on a 19 GB Disk. I first
>created 2 partitions, one of 1.2 GB for Linux and the other one of 128 for
>Swap Space.
>
>For some reason, when I use Druid, it tells me that I have -7400 MB free.
>I can see my three partitions, but I can not create the partition for root
>(/) because it says I have not enough space. What am I doing wrong? Can
>someone tell me the steps to do this right?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rey
>
>
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: LILO boot??
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:32:55 -0500
Run:
man lilo
man lilo.conf
The latter in particular describes how to do what you want by
modifying the file /etc/lilo.conf and subsequently running lilo to
install the changes.
Derek wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have RH5.1 and Win95 going throught the LILO boot and was wondering if
>there is a way to change which one is the default boot or the time
>interval that you have to enter "dos" for Win95 booting. right now
>Linux is the default and I have about 5 seconds to type in dos to boot
>Win95 and want to change the default to Win95 or make the 5 seconds a
>little longer.
>any help is appreciated. You can email or post back to here.
>thanks
>derek
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (walt moffett)
Subject: Re: Help with .tar.gz
Date: 31 Mar 1999 05:31:36 GMT
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:28:46 +1000, Henry Ostrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I hope someone can help me. I am new to linux and am determined to beat it.
>I cant seem to unzip a [ .tar.gz ] or [ -tar.gz ] file I am doing
>(( gzip -d users-guide-1_0_4_tat.gz | tar -xvf- )) and the only result I
>get is that the .gz disappears off the file.
>Henry
>
thats a rather complicated and finger tangling try:
tar xvfz dratted_pesky.tar.gz (or blasted.tgz)
tar xvfI dratted_pesky.tar.bz2
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:15:35 -0500
From: Gary Portnoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: dumb rpm question (afterstep rpm)
Jason Rotunno wrote:
> i want to install afterstep on my redhat box. i installed it on my
> slackware box and i liked it so downloaded the rpm for redhat. this is
> my first time using rpm and i know it's supposed to be very simple. when
> i clicked it to download, kpackage (kde rpm utility) opened up. after the
> download was finished i clicked on install to install it. from there i
> just didn't know what to do. the readme file only explains how to install
> the .gz.tar file which is just to run ./configure, make, make install and
> then add the line "afterstep" to the .xinitrc. i figured installing it w/
> rpm installed it and i just needed to add the line to .xinitrc.
> with "afterstep" in the .xinitrc file (which didn't exist before) x
> doesn't start (i get "afterstep not found" message). i then tried
> installing it from the command line thinking maybe it didnt' properly
> install through kpackage, but still no luck. rpm seems to install it,
> but...it doesn't actually seem installed because i get the "afterstep not
> found" message. any suggestions?
Ah, yeah, you need the entire path. I think it installs to
/usr/local/bin/afterstep Try that, see what happens. the funny thing is, I
have to put it into .Xclients to get it to load when X starts. Anybody know
what the difference is?
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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: fstab and user access
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:48:19 -0500
Here's the line from my fstab file:
/dev/hda1 /dosc vfat rw,suid,umask=000,noexec,quiet 1 1
Try it, you'll like it. :-)
John Thompson wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I've been trying to set up my fstab file to allow mortal
>users to access the FAT32 partition on my machine but still
>keep getting "permission denied" errors when trying to copy
>to the partition for any user but root. I've tried a couple
>diferent fstab entries that look like they ought to work,
>but no joy:
>
>/dev/hda1 /mnt/win98 vfat defaults 0 0
>
>[john@starfleet john]$ mount
>/dev/hda7 on / type ext2 (rw)
>none on /proc type proc (rw)
>/dev/hda8 on /home type ext2 (rw)
>/dev/hda9 on /var type ext2 (rw)
>/dev/hda1 on /mnt/win98 type vfat (rw)
>[john@starfleet john]$ cp file.pdf /mnt/win98/temp
>cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/win98/temp/file.pdf':
>Permission denied
>
>/dev/hda1 /mnt/win98 vfat user,rw,auto 0 0
>
>[john@starfleet john]$ mount
>/dev/hda7 on / type ext2 (rw)
>none on /proc type proc (rw)
>/dev/hda8 on /home type ext2 (rw)
>/dev/hda9 on /var type ext2 (rw)
>/dev/hda1 on /mnt/win98 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
>[john@starfleet john]$ cp file.pdf /mnt/win98/temp
>cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/win98/temp/file.pdf':
>Permission denied
>
>What am I doing wrong?
>
>--
>
>-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: How do I ....
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:58:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
yan seiner wrote:
> 3) In KDE, how do I make the font selection stick for the shell
> windows? Every thime I boot, KDE defaults to these uge, ugly, bitmapped
> fonts, and I have to reset every shell window to "small fonts".
kvt has a "Save Options" menu choice at the bottom of the Options menu.
--
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