Linux-Misc Digest #709, Volume #19 Fri, 2 Apr 99 19:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" (geezerex)
Re: What is the best Linux to install? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Lilo, boot record and the like ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info ("Gumby")
Re: OT tidbits (was:Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) - origin of dollar sign) (Aaron
M. Renn)
Re: Overclocking was: Help me spend $2,000 on a new Linux-based computer
([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E. Larson))
Good UPS? ("Aaron Dershem")
Re: slashdot overview grabber for Linux (kinda off-topic) (Gergo Barany)
Re: Redirecting to Nowhere (James Cook)
Re: Redirecting to Nowhere (James Cook)
Re: I killed my Linux box (Rick Runowski)
Modest proposal, (was: Re: hacked /bin/login: can't replace it) (Walter B Kulecz,
PhD)
Re: limiting su via time?? (Matthias Warkus)
Help! Problems with PPP Conection to Net ("Paul Davies")
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From: geezerex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:28:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kendall Bennett) wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Since the announcement of MetroWerks CodeWarrior for the "Red Hat Linux"
> platform, a couple of threads have brought up the subject of difference
> between Linux distributions. As a developer of commercial products for
> the Linux platform, we are all too familiar with the subtle differences
> between Linux distributions that cause headaches for vendors wishing to
> develop and *support* products for the Linux platform. Hence
> software vendors end up developing for and supporting their products on
> the most popular Linux distribution, which is currently Red Hat.
>
> I know there is already the Linux LSB project underway to hopefully solve
> some of these problems. However I think we need something more
> definitative than this. What we need to do is put together something
> similar to the the Microsoft PC '99 guidelines, but for Linux
> distributions. I am proposing that we start a new project to define the
> 'Linux 2000 Platform'.
>
> Since there will be differences between the different uses for Linux, we
> should define multiple variations of the Linux 2000 platform. The
> contents of what make up the variations Linux 2000 platform should be
> debated and eventually voted on to come up with the final guidelines.
> Some people may not agree with the final vote, but the important thing is
> that compromises need to be made for this to be successful. We may also
> want to define what are 'base components' that must be installed on every
> system, and components that are optional and may or may not be installed
> by the user.
>
> The important thing here is that then software vendors can say that they
> support the 'Linux 2000 Platform' as opposed to a particular Linux
> distribution. People writing books about Linux can target the 'Linux 2000
> Platform' as well, so people wanting to learn about Linux can simply get
> any distribution that is Linux 2000 compliant. As long as the
> distribution guidelines are set in and the distribution vendors correctly
> follow the guidelines, the Linux world will be a better place.
>
> Perhaps we need a new mailing list dedicated to defining and regulating
> these issues?
>
> The following are my first two (very bare) suggestions to begin with:
>
> Linux 2000 Workstation
> ----------------------
>
> Base components:
> . Standard locations for all configuration files!
> . Glibc based
> . RPM for package manager
> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
>
> Optional components:
> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
> . Need more suggestions here!
>
> Linux 2000 Server
> -----------------
>
> Base components:
> . Standard locations for all configuration files!
> . Glibc based
> . RPM for package manager
> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
> . Ftp, telnet servers
> . Apache web server
> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
>
> Optional components:
> . Need more suggestions here!
>
> --
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In the web browser area, due to some personal concerns with aol's handling of
netscape, consider Sun's Hotjava browser as well.....
The Many Headed Hydra of Usenet, the Vigilante Doppleganger
Mr Happy Himself, come visit at:
http://members.tripod.com/~betty_3/site.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:42:10 GMT
You poor bastard. You will probably get RedHat and not Caldera. Pity.
dancho
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am trying to install the newest and the best linux on
> 100+ workstation. What would be the best one to choose
> in terms of standard, support, and setup?
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Thanks in advance
> Richard
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:03:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kendall Bennett) wrote:
> Hi All,
> Since there will be differences between the different uses for Linux, we
> should define multiple variations of the Linux 2000 platform. The
> contents of what make up the variations Linux 2000 platform should be
> debated and eventually voted on to come up with the final guidelines.
> Some people may not agree with the final vote, but the important thing is
> that compromises need to be made for this to be successful. We may also
> want to define what are 'base components' that must be installed on every
> system, and components that are optional and may or may not be installed
> by the user.
this was an april fools joke, right?
the scary thing is that this is actually occuring,
the end result of windows programmers that do not understand unix.
it cracks me up when people make their linux look and behave as much like
windows as possible, then denounce the very thing they are emulating.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Lilo, boot record and the like
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:57:51 GMT
Hi all
Is lilo required in order to launch linux? After reading some documentation
on that, I'm quite confused on that. I think I've read, Lilo must be installed
in the boot record/sector, and then, I believe, I've also read that the
kernel itself can be placed in the boot record/sector.
I'm also confused about the terms boot record and boot sector. Do
they denote the same thing?
Where acutally does the boot record/sector reside on the hard disk?
Cylinder 0, sector 0, head 0? or at the very beginning of each
partition?
If there are three partions on the first (and only) harddisk, is
the following true:
/dev/hda == /dev/hda1 + /dev/hda2 + /dev/hda3
or
/dev/hda + boot record == /dev/hda1 + /dev/hda2 + /dev/hda3
or
/dev/hda == /dev/hda1 + boot record of partition 1 +
/dev/hda2 + boot record of partition 2 +
/dev/hda3 + boot record of partition 3
Any help is appreciated
Rene
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From: "Gumby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:14:02 -0700
Almost ALL new hardware has ESN 's (electronic serial numbers) embedded into
them and have had this for the past year at least.
All NIC cards have a unique MAC that can be used for identification.
I mean, just because Intel came out with a new method to identify the CPU
should not freak anyone out. A Linux kernel hack can easily be done to
return a RANDOM number when queried which makes it all moot.
It's interesting that the prick who launched the Melissa virus was almost
caught by a Microsoft ID embedded in his email headers - but it turned out
to be a pirate version registered to millions of people 8^)
So, yes it's a new ID but nothing worrisome about it any moreso then the
prior ID's
Later--
J.
Alexander Dymerets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi!
> > >I'm still leaning towards this 'unique identifier' thing to be nothing
new
> > >at all, that the PIII merely brought the issue to the attention of the
> > >public.
> >
> > There are unique identifiers out there already, just that this one may
> > turn out to be immutable.
>
> I don't see any problem in unique identifiers. All hard disks,
> mothermoards ans ethernet cards have them and application can use
> them, for example, for copyright protection. At least in
> DOS and Win9X it's possible.
> Alexander
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Renn)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: OT tidbits (was:Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) - origin of dollar sign)
Date: 2 Apr 1999 22:09:24 GMT
On 2 Apr 99 14:29:20 GMT, Marc Sira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>The dollar sign originated from colonial Spain. Something about how they
>>stamped gold - when they mined it from the colonies, they put it in bars and
>>put an S on it. Then once it went throught the straits of Gibraltar, they
>>stamped a line through it, and when they sent it back to the colonies, it went
>>through the straits again, and they put the second line through the S
>
>Hmm. I used to have a little brown tea mug that claimed (via inscription)
>dollar signs were a distortion of the number "8", since dollars were originally
>pieces of eight. Then again, it was just a little brown mug, not an
Is the dollar sign Spanish? The word "dollar" itself is of German origin.
--
Aaron M. Renn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
From: whistler<blahblah>@twcny.rr.com (Paul E. Larson)
Subject: Re: Overclocking was: Help me spend $2,000 on a new Linux-based computer
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:40:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Eugene wrote:
>>
>> Here is my dream machine:
>>
>> Celeron 366 overclocked to 550
>
>OK, this is a stupid question, but how do you overclock a processor? Is
>it done by setting the jumpers on the motherboard?
>
Sometimes, some newer boards have a menu in the BIOS that allows you to set
the speed of the bus speed and clock rate. One site is
http://thetechzone.com/overclock.htm and there is at least one overclocking
newsgroup. What you basically do is set the bus speed and clock rate to
settings that aren't certified by the manufacturer.
Paul
Get rid of the blahs to email me :}
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From: "Aaron Dershem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Good UPS?
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:26:11 -0600
Anyone have a recommendation for a good UPS? I just have a single box and
15" monitor, so I don't need anything fancy. Also, if you can recommend a
product that's available for purchase on-line (buycomp.com), that would be
even better.
Thanks,
Aaron Dershem
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From: Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: slashdot overview grabber for Linux (kinda off-topic)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:43:51 +0200
> LICENSE and RESTRICTIONS
> sd-grab has been placed under the GPL, please see the file COPYING for
> LICENSE restrictions.
>
> This software is provided as is, and there is no warrenty. If you like the
> software tell others, if you don't tell us! Please refer to the EULA.txt
> file contained in the distribution. You can also find our EULA at
> http://www.affinity-systems.ab.ca/software/products/EULA.txt
Does this mean that the software is licensed under two different
licenses? Is that legal (especially with the restrictions in the
EULA)?
Gergo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Cook)
Subject: Re: Redirecting to Nowhere
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 05:14:31 GMT
I guess the appropriate follow-up question is:
Since Interbase runs as a service, where do I place the ln command so
that it executes at boot time?
thanks,
jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Cook)
Subject: Re: Redirecting to Nowhere
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 05:11:38 GMT
Thanks everyone on the solution. It was exactly what I was looking
for. I would like to create a script that somehow kept the latest 100
lines or whatever, but that is definitely beyond my capabilities right
now. Baby steps.
This link command is truly incredible.
thanks again,
jim
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From: Rick Runowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.questions,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: I killed my Linux box
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:57:08 -0600
When I tried to Install StarOffice it worked however I couln't get it to
accept my pass code... I even redownloaded and tried with the second
code... couln't get it to work... Anyway does anyone know where to get a
free spreadsheet prog and maybe something that can read/convert access
files? Thanks!
Rick
On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, it was written:
> I just read your post, and I'd just like to add... For me, when I did
> that exact same thing (using RedHat 5.2) my linux box died completely...
> I couldn't figure it out, and so I just reformatted and reinstalled
> RH... Suffice it to say, I won't be installing StarOffice again... (I'll
> just stick with WordPerfect 8... it can read WP and Office 97 documents
> excellently, so that's good enough for me)
>
> Nadine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Something went horribly wrong when I tried to install StarOffice 5.0
> the
> > other day.
> >
> > I'm running RedHat 5.1 (upgraded here and there) and KDE 1.1.
> StarOffice
> > needed some glibc libraries that it supposedly couldn't find on my pc.
> > Since that glibc .tar file that came with the program was to be
> > installed in a StarOffice subdirectory, I thought what the hey,
> install
> > it anyway.
> >
> > 1. From an X Windows terminal I run /bin/sh to then run the script
> that
> > installs the libraries (as is said in the readme).
> > 2. The libraries don't install successfully, and the shell stops
> > recognizing commands.
> > 3. I can't even exit X properly, and when I press ctl-alt-backspace it
> > comes back to a command line login instead of kdm.
> > 4. Try to shutdown:
> > /bin/shutdown: file not found
> > 5. I do the forbidden: press the power button.
> >
> >
> > Needless to say, nothing cleared up magically when I rebooted. The
> > normal Linux boot messages scroll up the screen, until it gets to
> this:
> > Partition check
> > hda1 hda2 <hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8>
> > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
> >
> > Then nothing. Blank. You enter commands and there's no reaction, not
> > even an error message. I tried to use RedHat's rescue disk and get
> > nothing but an error message, too.
> >
> > So, what do I do? Should I start looking for an upgrade disk? Is all
> my
> > data loss (well, the stuff that wasn't backed up yet?) Please help me.
> >
> > Sob. Sob. Boo-hoo.
> >
> > --
> > Nadine
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.dsuper.net/~anacaona
> > http://www.chenpeyi.com/tww
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Best damn mammy portrayals this side of the Atlantic!!!
> > --- paraphrasing Ms. Watching:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/8119
>
>
>
>
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From: killspam@wkulecz$pam$uck$.bigfoot.com (Walter B Kulecz, PhD)
Subject: Modest proposal, (was: Re: hacked /bin/login: can't replace it)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 23:34:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
wrote:
>"Chris Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Howdy.
>>
>>Last week my Linux box was comprimised by the wu ftpd security hole. (It
>>figures... the only ports I have open are ftp and ftp-data :)
>>
>>Luckily I was at the terminal when the lamer broke into the system. I yanked
>>the ethernet cable and in doing so prevented all but minor damage.
>>
>>I have used RedHat's rpm utility to clean up the entire system. All I have
>>left to replace is /bin/login. Strangely enough, I can not. When I try to
>>perform operations against the file, I receive a "operation not permitted"
>>error. Such operations consist of 'mv', 'rm', creating a hard-link to it via
>>'ln', editing and trying save it via 'vi', 'chmod' to something other than
>>04711, 'cp' the correct login binary over /bin/login, etc.
>>
>>The error almost sounds like a hardware defect, however, fsck is not
>>complaining that there is a problem with the filesystem.
>
>chattr -i -a /bin/login
>
>Norman
I've made this suggestion before but have never had it fall on the
right ears to even start a discussion.
Adding a seperate password to the immutable attribute in the kernel
file system code (or wherever it resides) would go a long ways torward
shutting down the script kids.
If I remember correctly from my BDSI days, they had an immutable
attribute that could only be changed when in single user mode. In
practice, this was too severe to be much help as it kills the ability
to do remote updates.
Maybe I'll hit the lotto and then have time to impliment it myself :-)
--wally.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.admin.isp
Subject: Re: limiting su via time??
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:15:54 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 2 Apr 1999 22:10:23 GMT...
..and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is ther a way to limit when a user(s) can use su??? Basicly there too many
> damn people at night (1am -4am) screwing up the system. So I want a time
> limit on when they can su..
Why do you let them su, anyway? Use sudo.
mawa
--
My guess is Absoft did things right. Now if we could just get
Microsoft on the bandwagon.
-- Bill Seymour
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From: "Paul Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.dial-up
Subject: Help! Problems with PPP Conection to Net
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:32:58 +0100
I'm having the following problem with trying to connect to the Internet
using Redhat 5.2
The PPP connection appears to work OK from looking at /var/log/messages
It says:
Serial Connection Established
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
However, after about 15-20s it hangs up with these messages:
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Connection Terminated
Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean
Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
Exit
Can someone help me sort this out?
Thanks
Paul
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