Linux-Misc Digest #421, Volume #18 Thu, 31 Dec 98 17:13:11 EST
Contents:
This is a test, this is only a test. If this were a real emergency ........;->
(Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (John Edstrom)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (John Edstrom)
Re: Sending text message to pager? (Gary Momarison)
Re: mod_perl doesn't work (John Edstrom)
-Linux -------LINUX STUFF---------------------------- ("Win, Mac, Linux")
ZIP drive questions (Not your ordinary "How do I?" questions) (Jeremy Mathers)
Re: How to use Tape Backup ? (Gary Momarison)
Re: Partition trouble (Kangoroo)
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. ("Dennis McGrath")
Partitioning - NT WON'T BOOT! ("A.G.")
Re: The goal of Open Source (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Linux and NTFS (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: question about bc (Amit Singh)
Re: Can grep work recursively? (Darrin Edwards)
Re: I love Unux (Daniel Buettner)
Re: make zImage fails at last step ("ne...")
Re: backup question (Zach Beane)
Re: Screen Saver outside X (Bev)
Re: Mounting different parts of a drive (Rick Moen)
Re: Box turned off (Michael Powe)
Re: Can't connect if I'm not root (Michael Davis)
Re: Pentium Pro vs Pentium II (Johan Kullstam)
May it's useful for somebody ("Sergei Gerasenko")
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: This is a test, this is only a test. If this were a real emergency
........;->
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:54:18 -0600
Hi folks,
Just testing the PVCS port of the Lotus Notes system with an email from
my box here at home.
Happy New Year to you, each and every one!
Jerry (The older and uglier one!)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Edstrom)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 31 Dec 1998 19:08:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord) writes:
>
>> But it will access the info faster than opening up and reading a
>> regular file. How much faster, I don't know though. It also has
>> limitations on how much info you can store, but if you need more
>> storage, use a regular file.
>
> But you are opening and reading a file, the "directory". The
WHich you have to do anyway. You either open the directory file and
then open a data file, or you just open the directory file.
> advantage is that the OS will do the IO for you. But with
> programming, you can get faster access than a directory will give you.
>
> And how do you use it in a program? opendir() followed by lots of
> readdir()s until it's found?
>
Depends on if you're going in cold. If you want to know if 'foo' is
defined, use stat(). If you want the value of 'foo,' use readlink().
If you want to know about 'foo*,' then maybe this isn't the best tool
for that job.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Edstrom)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 31 Dec 1998 18:56:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Evan Carew wrote:
...
> Anyway, the network resources are certainly shared; however, please
> give me one good reason to remove a local copy of tcsh in favor of
> network copy which reads a network init file.
To drive the system administrator to an early grave.
(only kidding)
> I don't know how things stand in your network, but in our network, if
> the server is down, ONLY the things that were on the server are down.
> Each system can still be used as a standalone node -- it's not very
> useful, but you can still write TeX code on a standalone system, for
It depends on whats being served. If you use NIS and yppasswd
disappears, you can't even log into your local machine.
> example, or generate the output of your reinforcement learning
> experiment, and being able to spend network downtime doing that is
> better that spending the same time twiddling your thumbs. However, if
> the system gets its shells from NFS, you won't even be able to do that
> much...
>
What about user home directories via NFS, or samba, or any networked
file system for that matter. It depends a lot on whether or not a
user or task is tied to a particular machine or not.
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.aix
Subject: Re: Sending text message to pager?
Date: 31 Dec 1998 11:18:53 -0800
Hemant Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Folks,
>
> Is there a software available on AIX or linux to send text to
> alpha numeric pagers?
>
> It would be nice if it can send messages to a cellular phone
> (primeco).
Search for "^Pager" and "^Cell" in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Edstrom)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.lang.perl.modules
Subject: Re: mod_perl doesn't work
Date: 31 Dec 1998 19:21:23 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
S P Arif Sahari Wibowo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi!
>
> I have to apache server in this system, one is ordinary apache web server
> (right now version 1.2.6), the other is apache-ssl from redhat secure web
> server 1.0. I just update the secure web server to version 1.2.6-3
>
> My problem is mod_perl, which is working fine under the ordinary web
> server (at least the Apache::Registry), didn't work at all under the
> apache-ssl, although I already set the conf files as it should be. I even
> put the perl-status handler (Apache::Status) with no avail, it gives this
> error:
>
> File Not Found
Sounds a lot like the ssl version doesn't have mod_perl or the config
file isn't setup right.
try :
nm path-to-ssl/httpds | grep perl
This should tell you if the server has modperl at least.
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From: "Win, Mac, Linux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: -Linux -------LINUX STUFF----------------------------
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:51:49 -0500
Daniel Deus wrote in message
LINUX STUFF----------------------------
http://www.dgaf.com/soft
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: ZIP drive questions (Not your ordinary "How do I?" questions)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:18:23 GMT
I have an Iomega Parallel Port Zip drive and it works just fine under
Linux (as well as, of course, DOS and OS/2). I compiled the ppa
driver very shortly after it came out several years ago, and I just do
insmod ppa and everything is fine.
I have a couple of questions, though:
1) Is there any way to determine the Volume label under Linux?
Note that I can set it by using the -n parameter on mkdosfs,
but it doesn't show up as a file (which it should, as we
all know that the volume label is just a certain kind of file)
when I do a 'ls -lsa' of the mounted ZIP disk.
2) Is it possible to run the ordinary DOS drivers for the ZIP
drive under DOSEMU? (Of course, you would rmmod ppa before
trying this). I remember that ppa was originally developed
by running the drive under DOSEMU and sniffing the port traffic.
I tried loading guest under DOSEMU; it just hung. BTW,
what are the CONFIG.SYS commands for running the parallel
port drive under DOS (that is, what do you get after
"installing" the drive instead of using GUEST) ?
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: How to use Tape Backup ?
Date: 31 Dec 1998 11:28:41 -0800
Doug Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
You can find some backup info in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/backup.html
I'm using (and have recovered from) a simple command like this
to back up the filesystem mounted at "/xxx":
cd /xxx; find -xdev | afio -ozZv -b32k -c64 -L /var/log/backups YYY:/dev/nsto
where "YYY" is a remote host with my SCSI tape.
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From: Kangoroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition trouble
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:29:51 -0800
You might use delpart.exe utilities to delete your partition. You
download free from Yahoo site with Altavista search engine. I use it to
delete my RedHat 5.2 partition. I think you also can use Partition
Magic a commercial program to do the job.
Arthur Dent wrote:
> Ok i�m a totally blind Newbie towards Linux,
> but i have serious trouble (don�t laugh) with
> deinstalling my old Distribution of Debian from
> a Partition in the Extended Dos Partition.
>
> I bought a new Harddrive for Linux and now want to
> use the old one for Windows only. But this shitty
> Fdisk cannot delete a logical drive that is not in
> Dos format. And when i run Linux YAST wont delete
> the current partition from where Linux was started.
> So what shall i do to get rid of Linux !?
>
> PLEASE HELP !!!
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From: "Dennis McGrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:07:25 -0800
Normally I do, but occasionally they ask for a email response. It's a pain
dealing with the anti-spamming addressing. What we need is to have a
government with the balls enough to do something about it.
>
>Dont reply to people - reply to the NG. Most of the spammers dont seem
>to be smart enough to remove NOSPAM. Regardless of what Mr. Yohe says.
>My inbound spam is next to nothing with the altered return address.
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From: "A.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Partitioning - NT WON'T BOOT!
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:33:40 -0800
I installed a couple of new linux partitions on my HD, and NT refuses to
load now.
It says that ntoskrnl.exe is corrupt or missing.
I have NT4 SP4 installed on first primary FAT16 part'n, master HD on primary
controller.
I inserted 2 more primary partitions right after it (Linux SWAP and Linux
Ext2). There is another extended FAT32 partition with data. I used Partition
Magic, so I don't think there were any partitioning errors. I have
partitioned HDs many times, so I don't really think that's the case.
One thing that I noticed, and that alerted me: when I installed Linux after
that, it reported the linux swap partition to be the first on the HD, and
the FAT16 -the second, whereas it should be the other way around. But PQ
Magic shows FAT16 to be the first.
BTW, LILO is installed in the Linux partition, not in the master boot
record.
Win98 boots alright *from the same partition* and I am able to browse all NT
directories, everything seems OK. I even overwrote ntoskrnl.exe from the SP4
CD to make sure the file is not corrupt, but I thing that the problem lies
somwhere else.
Could it be that the partition number changed and the boot manager tries to
load NT from a wrong partition? But then how come the same boot manager
loads Win98 without problems?
How can I manually edit boot manager's configuration? Is there a file I can
check?
Do I have to reinstall NT?
If so, will the setup keep configurations like Start menus and registry? If
no, which directories should I backup before reinstalling.
Thanks a lot for any input!
A.G.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:34:41 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
David Steuber wrote:
>
> Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> -> I hope you are right -- and I am fairly sure that you are. With the
> -> economic structure of the society so different from 18th century,
> -> OpenSource will probably prevail by natural selection as well -- because
> -> people will support it. I wonder about other forms of intellectual
> -> property, though...
>
> If we look at DVD and its evil prodgeny, DIVX, we will see the biggest
> threat to free exchange of information. DVD is a technicly excelent
> medium for storing movies for viewing on current generation television
> sets. But becuase the movie industry is so afraid of 'piracy', they
> forced all sorts of copy protection schemes into the standard.
They did? I did not know that. What kind of copy protection? Can ANY
software copy protection be effective against wholesale duplicating the
disk?..
> On top
> of that, there is a huge entry fee to be paid to develop computer
> software that can play back a DVD movie. $5000 gets you the
> specification. To get the rest of what you need costs a heck of a lot
> more, I am told. Notice that Linux does not have DVD playback
> software yet. It may not get it, ever.
Shite! I feel the echos of the Halloween memoranda... it smells too
much like certain company's tactics. Did they have a hand in setting the
DVD specs, by any chance?
> If that isn't evil enough, check out the Church Of Scientology, or, as
> I prefer to call it, the cult of scatology. That is a truly evil
> organization that loves to trash peoples lives in the name of
> protecting 'intellectual property'.
Ah, scientologists are simply very rich, powerful kooks. I mean, how
daft do you have to be to believe the story of how Xemu created body
thetans?..
> My basic feelings regarding software are easy to sum up concisely:
>
> 1) Software patents are evil. Software is a discription of a process,
> not a machine. It should not be eligable for patent protection.
Technically, software patents are given to a software/hardware
combination -- but I agree. I think patents in general are not a very
nice thing, or copyrights for that matter.
> 2) Source should be freely available. The advancement of the art is
> more important than a few individuals making a buck. This is
> especially true considering you can make money writting free
> software. The unnecessary duplication of effort that results from
> 'proprietary' solutions is evil.
Absolutely.
<snip>
> "Hackers penetrate and ravage delicate, private, and publicly owned
> computer systems, infecting them with viruses and stealing materials
> for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
>
> -- Secret Service Agent Richard Gill
Heh. Yes, you see a lot of that attitude around...
--
| Victor A. Danilchenko CSCF support |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] A313, 5-4231 |
+--------------------------------------------+
| Quando omni flunkus, moritati. |
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:16:06 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux and NTFS
Mark Riehl wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Is there any way to see an NTFS partition from Linux? I know that the
> Linux-NT mini HOWTO says no, but it is dated Feb 1997.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Please CC any replies to me.
The new kernel has NTFS support (read-only) built in. If you don't want
to upgrade the kernel, you can compile an NTFS module into 2.0.xx
kernel. See http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~loewis/ntfs/ for
details.
--
| Victor A. Danilchenko CSCF support |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] A313, 5-4231 |
+--------------------------------------------+
| Quando omni flunkus, moritati. |
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From: Amit Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: question about bc
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:47:34 -0500
A Dark Elf wrote:
>
> I recently tried out the GNU bc utility, and I want to build a general
> purpose library for it containing useful functions like factorial(),
> tobase(), and whatnot, stuff that can be useful in CS math courses. I
> looked on the web for .b files but found none. Is there anything out there
> already made? Any other alternative to doing what I want (ie having a
> program to quickly make all kind of calculs) ?
>
> Patrick Lambert
If you are looking for a BiG mathematical tool, take a look at
GNU Octave (it's on the lines of MATLAB). Also, the `calc'
package for GNU emacs is also a useful thing to have (it does
a lot of things too, including differentials and integrals).
You may wish to read the descriptions of these in the appropriate
GNU document, for example -
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/gnu/DESCRIPTIONS ...)
--
Amit Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--
Disclaimer: Speaking for myself, and only myself ... really.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Darrin Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can grep work recursively?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:51:48 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brett W. McCoy) writes:
>
> On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:11:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I was wondering if it was possible to make grep work recursively in folders.
> >Is this possible?
>
> grep doesn't recurse directories, but you can hand it a file list that has
> been recursed, such as you would get with find. Here's a simple example
> to find the word 'the' in all files with a .txt extension. You can
> overflow cat this way, though, so experiment around.
>
> cat `find . -path './*.txt'`|grep the
That will cat together all the text from the files first, before
grepping, so that grep won't be able to 'tell you' which file
each line of text came from. That may be what the orginal poster
wanted, of course.
If the original poster does need to know which files contain which
lines, another possibility is something like
grep the `find . -name "*.txt"`
Of course, if you're using this in the middle of a bunch of pipes,
you'll now have lines of the form
letter1.txt: there you are!
city.txt: it was the best of times
winston.txt: these are the times that try
etc.
Cheers,
Darrin
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From: Daniel Buettner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I love Unux
Date: 31 Dec 1998 17:02:01 GMT
Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ snip -- list of problems compiling some stuff for HP-UX ]
> 1:300,000,000 Your chances of getting source code for 3 random freeware
> programs and successfuly compiling them on a Unix box
> the *first* time without *any* errors
Maybe you should try getting your sources (or binaries) from one of
the HP-UX porting centres.
--
~
~
~
"Daniel Buettner" line 4 of 4 --100%--
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Crossposted-To:
linux.dev.kernel,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux,linux.redhat.misc
From: "ne..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: make zImage fails at last step
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:08:13 GMT
On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Jing wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am compiling my kernel using the following commands:
>
> make xconfig;
> make dep; make clean; make zImage;
>
>Everything goes well until the last step, it says:
Try using make config or make menuconfig instead
of make xconfig. There have been problems with
make xconfig.
--
ne...
.sig server was neva operational.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Zach Beane)
Subject: Re: backup question
Date: 31 Dec 1998 17:12:20 GMT
In article <76g3cc$pp6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>How do you all do backups?, I'm PO at NT and am formatting my HD and loading
>Linux. I have a tape backup unit from IOMEGA(Ditto 7G drive). Is it possible
>or has any one attempted to use it?
I really like Amanda (http://www.amanda.org) which does intelligent
scheduling and management of backups. It's a bit tricky to set up for the
first time, but after it's set, you never have to worry about it.
Zach
--
Zachary Beane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP mail welcome. http://www.xach.com/pgpkey.txt
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screen Saver outside X
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:02:09 -0800
"Jeff Neuffer Jr." wrote:
>
> Where can I edit the line that tells Linux to blank the screen after ##
> minutes?
> I checked my /etc/rc.d dir but didn't see anything that caught my eye.
In order to turn off screen blanking, I put this line in my .cshrc:
xset s off
Other screen-saver variants that I used to use:
xautolock -time 5 &
xlock -nolock -mode random -modelist all&
--
Cheers, Bev
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
"There is nothing wrong with it and I didn't do it and, my gosh,
well I guess I just remembered I did...sort of...but it wasn't my
fault...because my staff didn't tell me...and I was very busy
meditating on the issues and besides I thought I was in Cleveland."
-- Meg Greenfield
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From: Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Mounting different parts of a drive
Date: 31 Dec 1998 19:03:03 GMT
[Followups snipped]
In comp.os.linux.setup, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Ok, then let me clarify. I have one partition on one hard drive with two
: different directories. Can I mount one directory in this filesystem to my
: main Linux root directory? Can I, at the same time, mount the other directory
: in teh same file system to the same root directory?
No, but you can use a symbolic link for the second part, to get
exactly the same effect.
--
Cheers, The cynics among us might say: "We laugh,
Rick Moen monkeyboys -- Linux IS the mainstream UNIX now!
rick (at) linuxmafia.com MuaHaHaHa!" but that would be rude. -- Jim Dennis
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Box turned off
Date: 31 Dec 1998 12:16:17 -0800
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[posted and mailed]
>>>>> "mike" == mike dombrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
mike> Hello LinuxPeople! Yesterday I came home and tired to logon
mike> to my Linux box. I couldn't because my mom had turned it off
mike> at the logon promt. Now when I boot it is says that the fs
mike> wasn't cleanly unmounted. How do I fix this?
You wait for fsck to check all the partitions to make sure they're
good. If it doesn't do this automatically (it should) then you have
to boot to your boot disk and run it manually.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Michael Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't connect if I'm not root
Date: 31 Dec 1998 16:01:29 -0500
>On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:53:27 -0500, "Sergei Gerasenko"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I finally got my PPP up and running even with the scripts. But the problem
>>now is that I can't do it if I'm not root. My ppp-on doesn't even dial. Of
>>course I read the HOWTO on PPP and the section about root privelages. But I
>>seem to have done everything I am to do. I checked the permissions for PPPD.
>>I made my ppp-on and ppp-on-dialer accessible to other users, but it didn't
>>work. When I use wvdial it dials O.K. but then fails to connect and the log
>>says that a PPP operation was not permitted. Obviously it has something to
>>do with security. When I first ran ppp-on, my log said that a file called
>>/var/lock/something for TTYS2 couldn't be created because it was not
>>permitted. It seems like one needs to change permissions for more than just
>>PPPD and the scripts (pap-secrets and chap-secrets too) to make it work.
>>Anybody knows a solution?
>>Thank you,
>>Sergei
I'm having the same problem, but I got one step closer. You said:
>>do with security. When I first ran ppp-on, my log said that a file called
>>/var/lock/something for TTYS2 couldn't be created because it was not
>>permitted. It seems like one needs to change permissions for more than just
What I got was an error saying the user wasn't permitted to create
a file in /var/run/. So as root I changed the permission of that directory
to allow anyone to write to it. (I don't know the security implications
of this, it's just my own machine at home.)
So it got past that, I got no more errors, but it didn't pick up the line
and dial.
--
// Michael Davis -- Solaris code slave and happy Linux User.
//
// From sunny Toronto...
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pentium Pro vs Pentium II
Date: 31 Dec 1998 11:06:08 -0500
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> -> I'm running Slackware Linux on Pentium Pro 200's. Will it perform better on
> -> the Pro's, as compared to a >233MhZ P II ?These are single processor, and
> -> I'm concerned that ?upgrading? to the P II's will gain me nothing.
>
> For all intents and purposes, a PPro is the same as a PII sans MMX.
not quite. the L2 cache on the PPro runs at full speed, while on the
PII it runs at half speed. PPros also come in 256Kb, 512Kb and
(hard to find and exhorbitantly priced) 1024Kb L2 cache versions.
since the cache isn't as fast, slower PIIs like 233 and 266 should be
comparable to PPro-200 in performance.
to answer your question, a PII-233 instead of a PPro-200 will only be
marginally faster if it's even faster at all. i'd say stick with the
existing PPro unless you want to go past 300 MHz.
a good PPro system is to get a PPro-166 with 512Kb cache and overclock
it to 200 MHz.
> The connector is different, ZIF vs Slot 1. To upgrade means a new
> motherboard. One thing you will get, besides a faster clock rate on
> the CPU is a faster PCI bus. This will improve performance if you
> push a lot of data through the bus. Your mileage will vary depending
> on what you do.
yes. since you are getting a new motherboard &c it would make sense
to get at least a PII-300. the new celeron-A with the 128Kb cache is
a good value too. iirc celeron cache runs at full speed like the PPro
(and new Xeon). celeron is famous for being able to run massively
overclocked as well.
and if you go multi-processor, PPro can still be a good deal. i
recently picked up a quad PPro box for a song. good deals on older,
`obsolete' hardware can be found. PII can only do dual cpu
configurations. Xeons can do more than two cpu configurations, but
are very expensive.
--
johan kullstam
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From: "Sergei Gerasenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: May it's useful for somebody
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:52:19 -0500
This is just to tell everybody that I figured why my connection dropped
right after logging in. It had nothing to do with Linux, but rather with my
provider. He has a tricky method of authorization. When you dial in, the
first thing you see is CONNECT [speed] and then if you press enter you see
login and password prompts. But if you don't press enter the prompts don't
show up for 15-20 seconds. Because I eventually saw the prompts I thought
that the type of authorization wasn't either PAP or CHAP. So, adjusted my
scripts for the regular type. And I couldn't connect for a week or so
(during that time I bombarded Linux-related discusssion groups with pleas
for help). Then I downloaded Wvdial and everything became perfect. All that
time I worked as root. Then I decided to try Wvdial as another user. Wvdial
couldn't connect and said that it couldn't modify PAP secrets and
CHAP-secrets. At that point I understood that my provider used either PAP or
CHAP. Besides, it dawned on me that when I connect with Windows'95 (yes I
have this sin) I don't enter any passwords in any terminal windows. It
turned out that the provider first uses PAP. If Enter is pressed or if there
is no activity for 20 seconds it invokes the regular login-password
sequence. So, I edited my scripts a little and included a line in
PAP-SECRETS. It works fine now. I still don't know why the regular type of
auth. doesn't work with my scripts. But I could care less now. So, maybe
someone with the same problem will find something useful in this
information.
Cheers,
> Sergei (relieved)
>
>
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