Linux-Misc Digest #888, Volume #18 Wed, 3 Feb 99 21:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers (Alexander Viro)
E-commerce / credit card processsing on Linux (Frank J. Dziuba)
Re: Linux 2.2.1 doesn't power down system (Lee)
Re: Compressed filesystem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: help! route: netmask doesn't match route address (Robert Barnes)
Re: How to read mail/news using Netscape on Redhat 5.2 ???? (lucas)
Memory > 64 Mb (David)
Re: My 2 cents worth on man pages (Jason A Fletcher)
Re: Printing with WP 8 ("Greg Truax")
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("Joshua T. Pyle")
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Paul Doherty)
Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux (Ben Russo)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Paul Doherty)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Dosemu and winndoze partitions? (Bostjan =?iso-8859-2?Q?M=FCller?=)
Re: > 64MB RAM (Kaustav Bhattacharya)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers
Date: 3 Feb 1999 20:12:20 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>al wrote:
>>
>> Who really gives a fuck if Britain or Us is the best as long as you idiots
>> stay where you are and don't pollute the rest of the world by moving
>> elsewhere.
>> Stop wasting bandwidth and discuss something useful.
>
>Personally, I don't care what other people think. Especially ones that
>insult people. I have made no claim to living in the best country,
>however, pride over ones clan is as old as civilization itself.
He has a point - this is blatantly offtopic for c.o.l.m.
Oh, and if your clan consists of *all* citizens of USA... <shrug>
Looks like your pride extends to some pretty obnoxious bastards
I happen to know personally and quite a few ones I happily never met.
<cheap shot>
AFAIK Bill Gates and Bill Clinton are both US citizens
</cheap shot>
[Followups set out of c.o.l.m]
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank J. Dziuba)
Subject: E-commerce / credit card processsing on Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:12:37 GMT
Is anyone aware of any credit card processing software that will run on Linux?
I want to set up some real time and batching capabilities. Looks like most
packages out there are for NT or Solaris.
thanks
--
Frank Dziuba
Silicon Beach Communications
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.1 doesn't power down system
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:19:59 GMT
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:29:00 +0000, Richard Lewin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a Dell Inspiron 3200 and have just upgraded from kernel 2.0.36 to
>2.2.1 and everything seems to work fine apart from one thing. Linux will
>not power down the computer on a system halt. I have enabled the option
>in the kernel and have chosen exactly the same APM options as for 2.0.36.
>It worked fine in 2.0.36. Does anyone know how to fix this?
>
>I would appreciated replies by email. Thanks very much in advance.
>
>Richard Lewin
edit this file:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/halt
You see the line that reads:
command="halt"
Change it to:
command="halt -p"
______________________________________________________________________
Digital Networks United Kingdom www.dnuk.com
Linux and NT workstations. TCP/IP workgroups. Windows desktop systems.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Compressed filesystem
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:20:14 GMT
On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:52:12 +0100, Niels Mache
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Is a compressed disk filesystem available with linux?
>I know the ramdisk loaded from a compressed file.
>Does a disk based compressed filesystem exist?
There is a filesystem called something like ext2comp, meant
specifically for use with linux. I haven't tried it yet, nor am
I even sure of the exact name.
There is also dmsdos, which reads legacy compressed partitions
from DOS and Windoze 95, including Drivespace, Doublespace, and
Stacker. I've used, with success, earlier versions. However, I am
as yet unable to get any version (tried 0.8.3 something and 0.9.2.0)
to even compile with the new (2.2.1) kernel.
----
- Drew.
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From: Robert Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help! route: netmask doesn't match route address
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:14:17 +0000
Craig Lucas wrote:
>
> when I run the /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start command I get a message
> saying "route: netmask doesn't match route address" and then some lines
> on Usage.
>
> can anyone help me with this?
>
> newbe
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What addresses are you using/getting? You can always cut a
Class B down into Class Cs, but you can't make a C into a B.
-bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lucas)
Subject: Re: How to read mail/news using Netscape on Redhat 5.2 ????
Date: 3 Feb 1999 19:20:53 GMT
On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:19:10 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Wael,
Thanks for the interest.
Some nice person here clued me in, that to set the server preferences
you must be online. Bummer.
I have since abandoned all linux news and mail reading apps. to a much
better (offline mode) means of getting news and mail.
I installed wine and now using agent. Same one that I used under NT.
I still have to revert to Bill Gates OS to do certain things, as linux
just doesn't have or have inferior apps to do such things. dvd for
one.
lucas
>lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Man, you have my same problem. I am with attcanada.net
>
>If you put "mailhost"
>as your smtp server without anything, it will work fine and you can send.
>in my case i have to note that my login name is [EMAIL PROTECTED], so i use the
>whole thing as my login name.
>
>the problem is with the pop server. if u put postoffice.attcanada.net, it is
>not accepted because netscape volunteers and adds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>So if you setup the mailhost, you will be able to send messages, but not receive
>
>I hope this solves your problem partially.
>Wael
>
>
>
>
>: Hello,
>: Can anyone give me a clue on how to setup netscapes preferences so I can
>: use mail and news.
>: When I try to enter my mailhost I get Mailhost xxx unknown.
>: I only have 2 computer network and I gave up setting up sendmail.
>: Is it possible to get mail and news without a complicated process.
>
>: I'm fairly new to linux and things that I take for granted under NT is
>: very complicated to accomplish if not impossible.
>
>: Thanks,
>
>: lucas
>
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Memory > 64 Mb
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:19:30 +1000
I use a boot floppy to boot Suse 5.3..
I tried loading LiLo onto a floppy and setting the lilo.conf with
mem=80M
The computer still only sees 64 Mb.
I'm using a VX motherboard and it does not have a setting in the bios
about memory over 64 Mb.
Any suggestions ??
David
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From: Jason A Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My 2 cents worth on man pages
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:00:54 -0500
Bill Unruh wrote:
> >>> In short, leave the man pages the way they are. Let's get working on
> >>> the /usr/docs.
>
> AAAArgh no....
<snipped>
> Please Please Please keep up the man pages, or replace them with
> something equally easy to use, not something more comprehensive and
> obscuse.
Bill: in the immortal words of the Hitchhiker's Guide, don't panic. As I understand
it, Peter
is suggesting exactly what you want: keep the man pages as is, but improve the other
user
documentation. (One aspect for improvement just might be that obscure/inconvenient
format you
didn't like.)
Peter: I for one am quite interested in the sort of thing you're talking about. I'm
not long
out of college and new to Linux to boot, sad to say, so I don't have the years of
experience in
computers and UNIX that others offer here. I do, however, have a philosophy degree
and took
writing-intensive classes like mad. It's long been my opinion that many expert in
technical
fields generally don't make good teachers because they've forgotten how little they
knew when
they started out. To get to a point where you can navigate the sea of (useful,
quality) FAQs
and HOWTOs, you've got a lot of floundering and guessing to do.
It's something like a modern-day climbing of Mount Everest in which your guides are
halfway up
the mountain on the far side. If you can make it that high on your own and find them,
your
trip the rest of the way is much nicer (with good company.) Getting to them is the
problem (or
missing them and making it all the way to the top on your own); it can be done, but the
mountain can still kill.
In short, I'm interested in your idea in which user documentation (in the large sense)
becomes
more like Plato's cave than Mt. Everest. Post a reply or e-mail me privately, if you
like.
Better yet, consider popping this on the comp.os.linux.advocacy group and check the
response
(or perhaps the announce as well?)
Regards,
Jason Fletcher
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From: "Greg Truax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing with WP 8
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:17:10 -0500
>I don't have a Canon printer, but I do know you have to download the
>necessary driver from Corel.
I have not been able to find anyplace on Corel's web site or ftp site where
they have Linux printer drivers.
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From: "Joshua T. Pyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:15:02 -0700
Stephen So wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>OS/2, BeOS, Mac OS, and Amiga OS are not BSD variants. They are not even
>remotely related to UNIX.
Hold up BeOS is based on a unix kernel the posix kernel. At the very least
unix like.
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From: Paul Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:38:25 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Jeremy Mathers
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
> : That is because in the US today, it is no longer PC to poke fun at
> : anybody *except* white males. Similarly, globally, it isn't PC to
> : poke fun at anybody except (white male) Americans.
>
> : Live with it; it's basically modern day noblesse oblige...
>
> Over here in Britain, we have a programme called "Goodness gracious me!"
> which is a comedy sketch show, made by asians, for asians, and tends to take
> the piss OF asians quite a lot. (With the odd jab at white people as well,
> of course).
I lived in Britain for three months last year (Jan - Apr 98) and saw
that show several times... pretty funny stuff! If we had that over
here people would have fits!
--
Paul Doherty
Systems Analyst/Programmer/SysAdmin
http://www.nationwide.net/~pdoherty
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:24:56 -0500
>
> 1. What's the best distribution out there? Caldera or RedHat?
Religious war question. But, it is my opinion that there are many more
people using RedHat than the other distributions.
RedHat users therefore have more of a user community that might be
willing to help with problems or questions. Also, HP, Dell, Intel, and Netscape
are all working with RedHat to do various projects, so I think that there may be
good reasons to get familiar with RedHat.
After you learn a bit about Linux/UNIX in general you may switch to one of the
other distributions without much trouble. But for a beginner I would suggest
RedHat.
There are many other distributions, SlackWare, Debian, Turbo-Linux, Stampede
SUSE and many others (in no particular order).
There are merits and problems with all the Linux distributions. There are
people
who like some better than others.
Personally I recommend RedHat 5.2.
> 2. Is
> Linux 100% 32 bit? The main reason why I don't like Windows 9x is because it
> contains 16 bit code, which is a waste of today's Pentium II and Pentium III
> processors.
That depends on the application.
The binaries for most (if not all) of things distributed for Linux are 32 bit.
But there is no reason why someone cannot write a program
that was compiled with a 16 bit compiler. If you use it that is your problem.
With linux you have the source code for the
kernel and you control what utilities and applications you put on it.
> 3. Does Linux support DVD drives?
If the DVD drive will work as a regular CD drive and attaches to an ATAPI or
SCSI
controller you can use it with data and music CD's. There is no software
available
for Linux (YET) to use the DVD file format or to display DVD recorded media.
> 4. What graphics cards, nay
> scratch that, what hardware (graphics, sound cards, zip drives, modems, etc)
> is it compatible with, and do Linux drivers exist for said hardware?
Most everything will work with Linux if it is fairly modern but not too modern,
and
it is common. You would be better off listing the hardware you have or want
and asking if people have it running.
If the hardware is not extremely common, you may have a VERY HARD
time figuring out how to get it too work.
But your standard PC from Dell or HP or IBM or Compaq that was bought within the
last 2 years should work with no problems if it has popular sound and video
cards.
> 5. I've
> worked with IRIX and Solaris in the past. Is Linux anything like these?
Very similar in most respects. Very different in others. Make your question
more
specific. I work with Solaris, IRIX, and Linux. I like Linux the best.
> 6.
> Where are the best places to purchase/buy Linux software?
Off the web. See "http://freshmeat.net". But I try to buy my Linux software
from
the store whenever possible just to encourage the Corporate retailers to carry
the
goods. You can get a boxed RedHat5.2 set (manual and CD) from MicroCenter or
CompUSA. You can also order it from RedHat.
> 7. When Intel's 64
> bit processors are released, will Linux migrate to a completely 64 bit
> architecture?
Yes, Linux is already available in 64 bit for Alpha and UltraSPARC.
But because of the programmers foibles you may find that some things have 32bit
related
limitations.
> These are all the questions I can think of for now, although more might come
> up later. For my primary OS (I'll be dual booting Linux and Windows on my
> machine, if nothing else for games, and that I paid for it) I want something
> that's powerful and fast, ease of use be damned. (Another reason why I'm mad
If you want to learn about UNIX and such Linux is a GREAT way to do it.
There aren't many super games available in Linux (YET) (when compared to MSWin).
UNIX requires a great learning curve (some call it a learning wall).
It isn't easy to get started learning about how everything works, but once you
get
started you will find that it follows very elegant, simple and consistent rules
(compared
to MS stuff).
-Ben.
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From: Paul Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:41:41 -0600
Ciaran Dunn wrote:
> Well no. Unless you also consider India, South Africa or even America
> a colony of GB. They are all ex-colonies.
My mistake... Australia was let go? Recently?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 3 Feb 1999 17:38:10 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst pdohert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently
scribe:
: al wrote:
:>
:> Go the republic! Screw the Queen
: Somebody needs to... so you'll have some heirs. ;-)
We have a few too many of those as it is...
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From: Bostjan =?iso-8859-2?Q?M=FCller?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dosemu and winndoze partitions?
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:40:08 +0100
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Bostjan
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:42:22 +0000
From: Kaustav Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: > 64MB RAM
Walther Ligtvoet wrote:
>
> Hello Kaustav
>
> Put the following at the top in your lilo.conf file:
>
> append="mem=128M"
>
> Run lilo and reboot your system..
Howdy,
ah, thanks bunches, I added the mem command to my loadlin batch file and
it see's all 128MB now.. superb :)
Kozzey
--
Kaustav Bhattacharya
http://www.kozzey.dircon.co.uk/cam.html
http://redhotcountry.co.uk
ICQ: 665226
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