Linux-Misc Digest #888, Volume #24 Thu, 22 Jun 00 04:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Can't get Netscape Radio to work!! Strange. (Chronocidal Charlie)
Re: External Modem`s (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: mounting ISO image through loopback hangs system (Rock Ridge problem?) (Sparkzz)
SuSE Linux 6.3 KDE KPPP problems ("Gary Stanford")
Re: searching MS word... (Natanael)
Re: Trying to install gnuvoice ("David ..")
Re: ifconfig required? ("David ..")
Re: Help finding time daemon for Slackware 7 ("David ..")
Re: Linux Faxserver - Windows NT Faxclient (Koos Pol)
REBOL (Pete Goodeve)
The X Server... (Hendrix)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments ("Peter T. Breuer")
Can I run X on an old laptop? (acepea)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments ("Peter T. Breuer")
Guest Account (J Bland)
NFS/StarOffice (J Bland)
Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments (Charles Philip Chan)
Re: reccommended partitions and sizes (Charles Philip Chan)
Re: PPProblem (Gareth)
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Per Andersson)
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From: Chronocidal Charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't get Netscape Radio to work!! Strange.
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:01:48 GMT
Think Netscape Radio is a myth. Gone through about three different
versions of Netscape and Realplayer both and have had the same symptoms
as you. Realplayer works on everything else, but never once have I
heard a thing out of Netscape Radio other than the voice telling me
that I will hear the music as soon as I make a selection. Wish I could
help, but I don't think it's you that is causing of the problem. ;-)
Charlie
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope you can help me.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,uk.comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: External Modem`s
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:18:48 GMT
Richard Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Michael McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> The Motorola L7089 cellphone (using the data cable) is an external winmodem.
>>
>> (oddly enough, when used over infrared it's a hardware modem, though with
>> fewer features)
>But I take it that it's not a serial port modem?
It is. You do need a specific adapter cable though, which usually is
rather expensive. Used with the cable, it offers a lot of nice
functions - IF you do run Win9x, that is. Most of the stuff is only
available using their prorietary driver software.
>I'd like to know of a winmodem that operates entirely on a serial
>connection.
Quite a number of data-capable mobile phones are; and even back in the
days of the 14.4 modems there was stuff like RIP that was basically
using the same concept: Doing the compression stuff in software.
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sparkzz)
Subject: Re: mounting ISO image through loopback hangs system (Rock Ridge problem?)
Date: 22 Jun 2000 06:15:16 GMT
Hmmmm,
Seems to me I had to have a
loop=/dev/loop0 in there somewhere.
.
.
....Ken
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From: "Gary Stanford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SuSE Linux 6.3 KDE KPPP problems
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:16:36 GMT
I have configured KPPP under KDE and it connects great, but after it
connects I can't open Netscape or even a console. If I have Netscape open
*before* I connect to my ISP with KPPP, then the Netscape works just fine
for browsing and mail, but I can only use the Netscape Browser(s) that
is(are) open and can't open any further browsers *after* connection. I've
browsed many of the entries in newgroups about KPPP and can't find anyone
posting a similar problem/solution. Ideas?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Natanael)
Subject: Re: searching MS word...
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:22:34 GMT
On 21 Jun 2000 21:18:40 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances
With Crows) wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:42:11 GMT, Natanael
><<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>>I'm looking for a program that searches MS word dokuments. This is
>>supposed to be used on a web server. recommended a linux web-server
>>for this task. If this cannot be solved there will be no linux web
>>server in our LAN.... :-(
>
>Searches them and does what with the results? If you want to find all the
>MS-Turd documents that contain the word "carrot", for example, you'd just
>"grep carrot *.doc" and get answers very quickly. If you wish to turn the
>text of an MS-Turd document into something any browser can understand,
>"strings" is your friend.
>
>I'm sure you could get a better answer if you described your problem and
>your requirements in more detail.
>
I am talking about a web server with a search engine to make it
possible for the people here to find their word documents. They shall
just type a search pattern and the search engine shall find the
documents containing the pattern. A html presentation with some of the
lines included (like a websearch) for an overview what is in the doc
and a link to it is preferible. I know about the easy grep but that
would never be able compete with a MS search engine... i guess...
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trying to install gnuvoice
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:12:06 -0500
John wrote:
>
> I had to install the gtk-- lib. gnuVoice is looking for the
> gtkmm-config file. I installed it as an rpm, I also look for and
> config file and found none that belonged to it. Where would I find
> such a file or where would I get it.
I would say the gtkmm-config file is in "gtkmm" or "gtkmm-devel"
package.
http://www.gnome.org/
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ifconfig required?
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:14:17 -0500
"Ross M. Greenberg" wrote:
>
> So, I got my ISA Realtek8019 card working. Sorta. pnpdump generated an
> almost usable conf file; stealing stuff from the Windows side of things got
> me a legit IO address and IRQ.
> However, I have to manually do an ifconfig and feed it its IP -- else there
> no eth0. I can certainly stick the needed lines/commands into an rc file,
> but there has to be a better way.
As root "netcfg"
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help finding time daemon for Slackware 7
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:24:59 -0500
Scott Ehrlich wrote:
>
> I have several Slackware 7 Linux boxes and want to sync them all to one
> central Slack 7 box. I am having a heck of a time finding any time
> daemons for the workstations to connect with and obtain the correct time.
> in.timed, ntpd and xntpd do not open any ports unless I am not configuring
> them properly.
>
> I am looking for a simple time daemon to open a port on the main server
> which the remaining boxes can sync to. I am currently planning to use
> netdate on all the systems for time updates, but I still need that one
> daemon to grant the time updates to the workstations.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Don't know exactly what you are wanting but you may find "K9" to be of
interest. It is available here.
http://www.kaska.demon.co.uk/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Koos Pol)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux.suse,alt.os.linux,alt.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Faxserver - Windows NT Faxclient
Date: 22 Jun 2000 06:33:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:40:38 GMT, Martin Heppner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I want to send faxes from my Windows NT Client over a SuSe Linux
| Faxserver.
|
| SuSEFax installs without problems on WinNT - unfortunately printer
| drivers can not be installed. If i install a new port, it does not work
| with hylafax as faxserver and HP Laserjet 4 printer driver. Installing
| the Apple Postscript driver it produces just strang characters.
I would definitely try "the mother of all generic PostScript drivers". I
wouldn't be surprised if the specific drivers cram lots of proprietry rubbish
in their postscript output.
You can download the driver from -ofcourse- Adobe.
Koos Pol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodeve)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: REBOL
Date: 22 Jun 2000 06:52:47 GMT
(Apologies for the somewhat scattershot cross-posting, but these seemed
likely groups for some activity, and I know REBOL is available for the
OSs I addressed.)
I'm curious to know if anyone has actually been using REBOL (Carl Sassenrath's
interpretive scripting language) for anything practical yet. If so, what
are your feelings about it? (I have no connection with the company -- just
personal interest...)
Thanks,
-- Pete --
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From: Hendrix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: nf.comp.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: The X Server...
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:12:22 -0230
Hi there,
I was recently reading a document that referred to the X Window system
as being a server.... How is this done...??? Does this mean that X
windows acts much like an application server in which clients request
services from it...??? Do each client on the network have to run
special client software in order to access the server, or is the entire
server interface streamed (or accessed) from the computer that is
hosting the X server....??? Thanks...
Sincerely,
--
Trevor Penney,
A+, Network+ Certified
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: 22 Jun 2000 06:55:13 GMT
Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On 21 Jun 2000 16:04:13 GMT, "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: wrote:
:> But a professional
:>letter-writer (which is what offices consist of, surely?) will go for
:>speed and control, which amounts to vi+latex.
: You have a seriously distorted view of the average "professional".
You mean you think they're snake-oil salespersons, selling their own
image? The secretaries I knew were perfectly normal people, university
educated, who by and large had decided on a house-person career track
at some stage and therefore weren't in the market for "serious" jobs. But
that decision didn't stop them being ordinarily intelligent people, with
ordinarily intelligent capacities for using editors like vi, emacs and
running latex.
:>Particularly I expect and hope that a technologically oriented company
:>will have secretaries whose
:>abilities are compatible with the image and the aims of the company!
: You have a seriously distorted view of the average "admin".
But not of technology. What have admins to do with this?
Peter
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Subject: Can I run X on an old laptop?
From: acepea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:57:49 -0700
I recently got an old Toshiba 410 CDT laptop
Config - 90Mhz Pentium, 24M RAM, 775M HDD
I figure it is too slow under win95 so i want to try linux. Is
the machine good enough to run Xwindows?
I've also got my hands on SUSE 6.2
I am planning to use this pc primarily for surfing the net, and
a bit of word processing (no games/graphic applications except a
viewer perhaps).
What are the packages that I *need*? As you can see I need to be
frugal with disk space.
Thanks in advance,
Siddhesh.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
Date: 22 Jun 2000 07:08:12 GMT
David Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I don't know if you are pulling my leg or being deliberately obtuse or ironic or live
: in a techocave.
I'm not.
: Are you serious when you say: A person of ordinary intelligence would usually
:prefer
: to use vi & latex for their word processing needs? Where do you get that
: statistic? Or does it only apply to your "technologically third world country?"
Because around here, for example, a survey of say the first fifty
people you met would find say 20 emas user, 20 vi users, and the others
using whatever they can scrounge on their winplatform of hell. If they
don telnet in and use vi, that is. Are you implying that these are not
ordinarily intelligent people?
: Most real people (at least in the developed & developing world) prefer to use WYSIWYG
: products with reasonably intuitive guis that have undergone usability testing.
If you mean word, it isn't intuitive. At least I've never figured it out.
And it's far too slow and clumsy to use.
: Products that make common things, such as formatting, pagination, etc. easy to do.
: With little or no training, anybody can use MS Word produce a nice looking document.
: The software, using 'wizards', will even walk them through more complicated things.
: That's all most people need.
And I don't need anything so complicated in order to write a sentence.
I've written this in vi, and if I wanted to make it into a letter, I
would put \begin{letter} at the top and pass it through latex. That's
all.
: vi, from a novice users point of view, is usability nightmare with two modes & a
:myriad
: of arcane key combinations you have to know even to do basic things like navigating,
I don't know where you get this idea from. The two modes are the
obvious ones of writing and operating on what you have written. Those
are present in all editors. As to arcane commands: they're the obvious
commands. "cw" is "change word", for example. "dw" is "delete word".
: editing and saving. It's a fine tool for some people, but certainly not for most
: people.
: With regard to the large market of letter writers, I am saying the opposite of what
:you
: understand. There are a lot of people who write letters who don't give a shit about
: technology. All they care about is if they can turn on a computer & type a letter &
: have it come out more or less how they want without bother. They care about being
:good
: at practicing law or medicine or making money for their business.
I know. For them, word is an aid, because it produces letters better
than they can write on heir own, faster than they can write them on
their own. For anyone who writes more than 5 letters a day, however,
it's a painfully slow and clunky editor that makes things look
worse than they could make them look themselves.
: The fact is, most people in this world don't care about the technology--even most
: people who use computers. Computers are just tools! They don't want to learn an
: editor with a steep learning curve like vi or a formatting language like latex. They
: just have a simple job to do. On the rare occasion they need to do something more
: difficult, they'll send the work out, or hire a temp or a consultant.
I hope so. But so what? These people are not professional letter
writers, which is what an office consists of. Not that I disagree with
your argument, which is: these professional letter writers are largely
fakers with little ability. For them word helps, rather than hinders.
Thankfully, these are not the kind of people I have encountered in a
technologically oriented organization. They probably go home at 5pm
too!
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Guest Account
Date: 21 Jun 2000 23:09:24 GMT
How can I create a guest account that can log in, run any app on the system
but not be able to roam around the disc structure (other people's home dirs
specifically)?
I can clamp it down with ulimit but the only way I can think of restricting
access is to set the guest on a different group and set people's home dirs
as user and standard group access only, but trying this totally knocks out
an nfs mount from /home (it mounts ok but the nfs client machine has
/home/user/ dirs with absolutely nothing in them).
Any way round it other than what I've already tried? If so, what the hell is
going on with NFS?
Cheers,
Frinky
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: NFS/StarOffice
Date: 21 Jun 2000 23:05:54 GMT
Hi,
Got a funny problem. Workstation nfs mounting /usr, /opt/, /home, etc
from a central machine. Workstation users have same uids and gids as the
server. Everything loads up fine and runs across the network *except* Star
Office 5.1. if you type 'soffice' it starts to load then just stops (having
checked, it gets to looking for java stuff before just stopping). It
doesn't seem to freeze or anything it just stops, dead.
What's even weirder is if I log in as user whose /home/ dir isn't nfsed from
the server but on the local harddisc, it all starts up fine (staroffice etc
are still all being loaded across the network).
Bizarre as everything else loads and runs as expected.
Any ideas what's causing this?
Frinky
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Crossposted-To: ne.internet.services
Subject: Re: GNU/LINUX at city of Boston Public Library departments
From: Charles Philip Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Jun 2000 02:47:57 +0500
>>>>> "Josh" == Josh H Turiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Floyd Davidson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux today is a wonderful alternative for servers (and I do use
> it there), and a viable option for some users in some
> organizations. But suggesting that Linux, vi, and LateX is
> actually an ideal solution for the mainstream office is, to drag
> out the old chestnut, a classic example of "if the only tool you
> have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". Word may suck,
> regardless of platform, but it's the right tool most of the
> time. Other commercial-quality word processors can be an
> acceptable substitute.
You are forgetting the WIMP option for Latex: Lyx. People will
probably become more productive because they don't have to worry about
formatting, just type.
Charles
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Subject: Re: reccommended partitions and sizes
From: Charles Philip Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22 Jun 2000 02:58:07 +0500
>>>>> "Elden" == Elden Fenison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 2 Jun 2000 19:16:43 GMT, Peter T. Breuer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> : Actually, /opt is an evil aberation on the face of the Unix
>> :filesystem heirarchy. ;-) Therefore just the right place to
>> put staroffice! 120MB of guff doesn't really belong in
>> /usr. Not even emacsen are that huge.
> Peter, I had a good laugh with this one, and just wanted to say
> thanks. This was a nice multipurpose statement. Not only did
> it clarify what /opt is good for but also was a fair assesment
> of the value of Staroffice, lol. (guff, hehe)
Actually, /opt is now an evil aberration on the face of the Linux FHS
also since version 2.1. Can't argue with the StarOffice comment
though ;-).
Charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gareth)
Subject: Re: PPProblem
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I believe [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) said on 21 Jun 2000 21:40:09
GMT, that:
>
>>yep, mine's like that, my /etc/resolv.conf just has
>>search localdomain
>
>This is wrong. It needs a line like
>nameserver 111.222.333.444
>that number is the ip of your ISP's DNS service. Get that number from
>them. If you are really using geocities.com, try
>nameserver 209.1.224.100
>nameserver 204.71.200.33
>nameserver 209.143.200.34
>nameserver 209.1.224.143
You guys do get back fast with your help thanx VERY much :-)
I amended my /etc/resolv.conf to include the DNS
(geocities is just my usenet address)
but looking at it, whilst connected kppp adds
a temp entry with the correct DNS anyways.
Whilst pinging, the first DNS entry just hangs, whilst
the second (of 2) is reachable and my own local
(assigned) address returns with a 'No buffer space
available' error (ret=-1).
I also tried to surf my own site using just the static IP No.
and it worked :-) but as soon as it needed to resolve the name
nada-nothing:-( so now I know that my modem is pretty much OK
and it's mostly a DNS problem.
Any other clues, suggestions(keep it clean:-) etc. appreciated.
Keep on Groovin'
gareth
http://www.backstage.co.za/gareth/
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:07:38 +0200
From: Per Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
"Stephen E. Halpin" wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:24:10 -0500, Dave Schanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"Stephen E. Halpin" wrote:
>
BIG SNIP
>
> You have yet to offer any evidence that the benchmarks dont give any
> indication of the CPU performance that can be extracted from these
> processors by a developer who takes the time to properly optimize
> their code.
>
>
>
> -Steve
I can give you an example although it is not Sun VS Intel. We planned to buy
~50 CPUs
in 1-4 way boxes so we had a look at the market here in Sweden and finally we
narrowed
our choice to Sun U80 or Dig^H^H^HCompaq DS20 or ES40. So we asked them to run
a few of our applications (f77 and f90, mostly fft and diagonalizations, ~1Gb
RAM and ~5 Gb
disk). Both were allowed to tune the compilers (WS6.0 and DFA5.2) to there own
liking as
along as they got the right result. Sun chose their 450 MHz UII with 4 Mb E$
and Compaq
667 MHz 21264 (I think). If you look at SPEC95FP Compaq would beat Sun (~55 VS
~25,
I don't have the numbers right here) and they did but only by 10 %. Then we
asked them to
optimize the code (unrolling and I guess some blocking). All of a sudden Sun
beat Compaq
by 30%. As each CPU from Sun would cost us less than half of a CPU from Compaq
it was
an easy choice.
I leave the interpretation to you, either are the guys from Sun so much better
at optimizing
a general code than the Compaq guys or it could be that SPEC numbers don't
tell the
whole truth.
/Per
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