Linux-Misc Digest #894, Volume #18 Thu, 4 Feb 99 06:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: use theramin as input device (Martin Maney)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David Steuber)
Re: use theramin as input device (Martin Maney)
Re: Undelete for Linux...? (Frans Gumpu Slothouber)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Dustin Puryear)
Re: MT5634ZPX-PCI modem (Joe Zeff)
Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux? (Ed Finch)
Compilation Error?? (Yap Yin Onn)
Re: Lost: One Cute Penguin ("Peter Caffin")
Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux (Andreas Mohr)
Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux? (John Forkosh)
Re: Can one set up RAID with IDE drives? (Tim Moore)
Re: use theramin as input device (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Which Netscape (Per-Karsten Nordhaug)
Re: gcc vs egcs (Frans Gumpu Slothouber)
Discouraged Newbie.. Please help! :-) ("The Grogers")
help! route: netmask doesn't match route address (Craig Lucas)
Re: > 64MB RAM (Ben Russo)
Re: Sound under 2.2.0 (Vegard Engen)
Re: Discouraged Newbie.. Please help! :-) (Mark Paulus)
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From: Martin Maney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: use theramin as input device
Date: 4 Feb 1999 03:46:07 GMT
Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Eric Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>Wouldn't that be making the easy, difficult? Most theramins I've seen
>>are bigger than a mouse and keyboard, and would require two hands to use
>>(unlike a mouse). A novel idea, but just plain silly.
> Most computers I've seen are bigger than a living room. Where in the
> world would a home owner put one. A novel idea but home computing is just silly.
When computers were bigger than a living room it _was_ silly. Of course, it
was also silly not to notice that those room-sized computers had been
getting faster and more powerful at a good clip, and it would be at least a
little silly not to have conceded that something reasonably-sized for home
use might one day be possible. However, this whole line of reasoning is
simply irrelevant to the theremin/mouse issue, since theremins have not been
shrinking dramatically over the years, and indeed, since most of their size
is the required "empty" space where one's hands have to be free to move
about in order to control the theremin's output, comparable miniaturization
is simply not possible. If the electronics were reduced to 1 cubic
millimeter you'd still need those large plates and all that room.
Sorry, Bill, but bad analogies are a pet squick of mine. :-)
[followups set]
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:21:58 -0500
My Color QuickCam VC came with a copy of Internet Explorer. Like IE
has anything to do with video conferencing or Internet Phones.
William Wueppelmann is right. IE is a weapon designed to take over
the WWW, and presumably e-commerce as well.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
s/trashcan/david/ to reply by mail
When will Altoids be available in 'extra strength'?
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From: Martin Maney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: use theramin as input device
Date: 4 Feb 1999 03:49:16 GMT
William McBrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.development.apps Eric Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Wouldn't that be making the easy, difficult? Most theramins I've seen
> : are bigger than a mouse and keyboard, and would require two hands to use
> : (unlike a mouse). A novel idea, but just plain silly.
> At least you wouldn't get carpal tunnel.
But tennis elbow would be a real threat. :-)
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From: Frans Gumpu Slothouber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Undelete for Linux...?
Date: 4 Feb 1999 06:56:20 GMT
Joerg Klaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Does somwhere a kind of "undelete"-Utility exist for Linux ?
: (e.g. undeleting files that have been accidently removed by "rm")
There's a
Linux Ext2fs Undeletion mini-HOWTO
http://cal011111.student.utwente.nl/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ext2fs-Undeletion.html
But it looks like you need to be a bit of a wizard...
Much better is to use a number of shell scripts that
wrap around rm and put files that are deleted in a trash folder
that is emptied in given intervals....
Hope that helps,
Frans.
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From: Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:50:22 -0600
Matthias Warkus wrote:
> I suppose this wasn't any different even in pre-trauma Germany... At first I
> thought you were USAmerican, that's why I was so bewildered. You pledge
> allegiance to the flag at *school* in the USA AFAIK.
>
> And of course, the civil servants don't swear an oath on the Constitution,
> but on the flag, too (an American told me that, don't flame me for it if
> it's wrong).
Well, it's a pledge to the Constitution in a round-about sort of way.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag.. and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation, under God.."
The pledge is to the republic, which itself is based on the highest law
of the land. BTW, what's so wrong with a simple pledge of allegiance?
Especially since it's totally optional. If anyone tried to force a
citizen to recite the pledge civil right groups would be down the
offender's neck.
The only time someone not in the military or in a position of civil
leadership is forced to make the pledge is when they are being granted
citizenship. Hell, that makes sense to me.
Regards, Dustin
--
Dustin Puryear * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ICQ 6644253
Help Crack Government Encryption: http://www.distributed.net
This mind intentionally left blank.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Zeff)
Crossposted-To:
alt.binaries.warez.linux,alt.comp.linux.isp,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.dial-up,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: MT5634ZPX-PCI modem
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 06:21:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>My Windows 98 Modem Settings are:
>
>IRQ 11
>COM 5
>UART 16550AN
>
>
>Do I set my Linux settings to match my windows settings ? Example:
>setserial /dev/ttys4 IRQ 11 UART 16559
No. You probably don't *have* a com 5, and IRQ 11 is a horrible place
for a modem. (Sometimes you're stuck with it on a laptop.) Virus98
has created a "phantom com port" and claims to have the modem there.
>From a DOS prompt, type:
echo atdt111 > com1
If the modem dials, it's on com 1. If not, try 2, 3, 4. Use that for
Linux.
---
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
"Much of trouble-shooting consists of going down
dead ends until one of them isn't."
http://www.lasfs.org
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From: Ed Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:10:45 -0500
Gregory Propf wrote:
>
> I'm really ashamed to admit it but I work at a place where they still
> use VMS. A lot of the reason for this is the existing body of software
> written in VAX Basic. Is there a compiler for Linux (free or not) that
> can re-compile this kind of cruft?
There are a number of freeware translators available, such as p2c which
translates Pascal to C. You might have some luck that way. Try searching
google, http://www.google.com
Regards,
Ed
--
Q: Why do PCs have a reset button on the front?
A: Because they are expected to run Microsoft operating systems.
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From: Yap Yin Onn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Compilation Error??
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:19:14 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What should I usually do when I encounter this kind of error??
ld -m elf_i386 -r -o proc.o procfs_syms.o inode.o root.o base.o
generic.o mem.o link.o fd.o array.o kmsg.o scsi.o proc_tty.o
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs/proc'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs/proc'
make -C nls
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/fs/nls'
make all_targets
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/fs/nls'
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -DCPU=486
-DEXPORT_SYMTAB -c nls_base.c
rm -f nls.o
ld -m elf_i386 -r -o nls.o nls_base.o
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs/nls'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs/nls'
make all_targets
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/fs'
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -DCPU=486 -c -o
open.o open.c
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -DCPU=486 -c -o
read_write.o read_write.c
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -DCPU=486 -c -o
devices.o devices.c
gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
make[2]: *** [devices.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs'
make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/fs'
make: *** [_dir_fs] Error 2
cpp: output pipe has been closed
Root@oxygen:/usr/src/linux>
Yap...
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From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Lost: One Cute Penguin
Date: 4 Feb 1999 08:03:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.x Derek Lakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I upgraded XFree86 from version 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 and gained the necessary X
> Server in the process. However, now when I type 'xstart' I have lost my cute
> penguin and have some rather drab looking pale blue windows, one says
> 'login' and the other two say 'xterm'.
> Anyone know how to relocate my lost penguin?
in .xinitrc:
xview -onroot -fullscreen /path/to/penguin.gif &
windowmanager
Hope that helps.
--: _ ___ _ _ _
_oo__ |_|_ |__ _ | | _ |_|_' _ pc at it dot net dot a u |
//`'\_ | (/_|(/_| .|. |_(_|| | || | it.net.au/~pc |
/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Mohr)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux
Date: 4 Feb 1999 10:36:52 GMT
Wildman, the Cuberstalker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 16 bit code is a waste of a 486 for that matter. The only reason Win95 has
> 16 bit code is for backwards compatibility. There never was a 16 bit Linux.
> Nuff said.
No, not enough.
Just for the sake of completeness:
What about Linux for 8086 ??
http://www.uk.linux.org/ELKS-Home/
--
Andreas Mohr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: VAX Basic compiler for Linux?
Date: 4 Feb 1999 05:49:24 -0500
Gregory Propf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I'm really ashamed to admit it but I work at a place where they still
: use VMS. A lot of the reason for this is the existing body of software
: written in VAX Basic. Is there a compiler for Linux (free or not) that
: can re-compile this kind of cruft?
Don't be ashamed. I have about 12 years of VMS experience,
though mostly in C. Old OS's don't die, they just fade away.
Unfortunately for you, however, your VAX Basic code
will die immediately if removed from its life-giving VMS
environment. As will all the Datatrieve code and all the
other little/proprietary languages dreamt up by Digital.
VAX Basic is just too "enhanced" to be portable.
Note, however, that I'm assuming you're referring to
the more recent incarnations of the language. There was
a time, long long ago, when the very first VMS Basic
was pretty compliant (though I'm not exactly certain with what
standard). The current language bears little resemblance
to Basic.
The positive spin here is that now you get paid again
to rewrite the same code. (The negative spin is that you
probably have better things to do with your life.)
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 02:36:19 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can one set up RAID with IDE drives?
> Has anyone actually done this? I've read the how-to, the mini-how-to,
> the install, the setup, the quickstart and the FAQ. I get errors when
> I boot the system and errors when I try to configure it. All the docs
> seem to assume that I know way more that I do. I'm sure that I'm
> missing some config step.
Sorry, all the mind readers are out of town this week and no one cares
what you've read.
It might help if you said what you configured in kernel, what rev,
and what errors, your hardware and other important bits.
What actually happened?
--
[Replies: remove the D]
"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: use theramin as input device
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:04:21 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:25:05 GMT...
..and John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Theremin a/k/a etherophone a/k/a Thereminovox]
> Allen Crider writes:
> > Do you mean that '50s sci-fi sound machine?
>
> No. He means the '20s musical instrument.
No. He means the wailing thing that goes "wee-ooo-wee-ooo" in
_Good_Vibrations_ by the Beach Boys.
SCNR
mawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR
actually lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Per-Karsten Nordhaug)
Subject: Re: Which Netscape
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:33:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:22:09 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Which version of Netscape works best with Linux?
>Also which ftp site would have this rpm for Red Hat 5.1?
....hmmm... tried ftp.redhat.com or one of its mirrors ? ;-))
Anyway, on my RH 5.2 system I've ran both 4.07 and 4.5, and I've stuck
with the latter. The 4.5 version you can get from netscape w/out the
need for an RPM or anything.
...cheter, aka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Frans Gumpu Slothouber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gcc vs egcs
Date: 3 Feb 1999 21:33:50 GMT
Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Frans Gumpu Slothouber wrote:
:>
:> : One thing I read about egcs is that it is more ansi compliant than gcc
:> : which is not.
:>
:> It's better, but you will have a more hard time compiling a new kernel.
:> You will have to apply a patch to solve a bug in the kernel source
:> code that is a problem for egcs and not for gcc.
:>
:> After that it works fine though.
:>
:> Have fun,
:> Frans.
: Not really, I've compiled all my kernels with egcs in the past few months and never
: got an error due to the bug you are talking about.
Did you apply the patch? What error did you get?
I compiled 2.0.36... and it seems to be working properly.
Have fun,
Frans.
--
______________________________________________________________________
/Frans Gumpu Slothouber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
\___/\ GalaxyNG Game Master. http://gumpu.student.utwente.nl/~galaxyng
/ \/
Implementation: The fruitless struggle by the talented and underpaid to
fulfill promises made by the rich and ignorant.
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From: "The Grogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Discouraged Newbie.. Please help! :-)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:27:19 -0500
I'm having so many problems with my installation of Red Hat 5.2, that I'm
considering giving up! If you could give me even hints on any of these, it
would be greatly appreciated!!
1. I get a GCC error most every time I try to install a program. I
installed a new version of GCC from ftp, but to no avail. It gets the error
when checking to see if it has a working copy of a C compiler.
2. I have a Trident 9440, which absolutely refuses to load in 800x600,
16bpp. It works fine in Win98, but in Linux no matter what settings I try,
it would only load the server in 640x480, 8bpp! What is going on? I don't
have money to spend on expensive drivers.
3. I also have a Opti931 sound card which I need, but every page that I can
find on the card and linux gives me all the gibberish (that is, to me) about
recompiling the kernel?? make?? sound module?? AHHH!!
4. My last question. I tried to run the Midnight Commander immediatly
after installing Red Hat, but without changing anything, it tells me it's
missing libtcl.so. What on earth!!
Thanks!!
Moishe Groger
P.S. Please don't email me.
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From: Craig Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help! route: netmask doesn't match route address
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:39:58 GMT
when I run the /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start command I get a message
saying "route: netmask doesn't match route address" and then some lines
on Usage.
can anyone help me with this?
newbe
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: > 64MB RAM
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:41:20 -0500
Michael Powe wrote:
>
<EXCERPT>
> Ben> For 2.0.x kernel's only finds up to 1023 MB, (the kernel
> Ben> won't boot if more than that!!) for 2.2.x kernel's only
> Ben> finds up to 2GB.
>
> Ben> Sorely limited if you ask me. I have HP-UX and SOLARIS boxes
> Ben> that are limited to 4GB or 2TB respectively.
>
> Ben> Linux needs to move to 64 bit!!
>
> Hmm, and how would that be useful on a PC, using a 32-bit processor?
>
You are right about the "move to 64 bit!" part, but still they could support
4GB
if the handling of VM/RAM was handled differently.
>
> mp
<EXCERPT>
I have a Dell PowerEdge 6300 that has 16 DIMM slots and can hold
4GB of RAM (the system 32 Bit, will support it in hardware) but Linux limits
me to 2GB of RAM and 2GB of VM.
Implementing large Databases in that kind of RAM limits performance.
We have databases that are 30-40 GB in size with dozens of users connected.
Granted the software could be tightened up a little, but not that much.
I specifically bought this box to set up Oracle Enterprise Server 8.x on
Linux,
but that RAM limitation is hampering things.
-Ben.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vegard Engen)
Subject: Re: Sound under 2.2.0
Date: 3 Feb 1999 21:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:18:24 -0000,
Justin R. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I had a pnp crystal sound card that worked fine under 2.0.36, but under
>2.2.0,
>I get the message
>
>/lib/modules/2.2.0.misc/cs232.0
>Too many values for DMA
>(max 1) Device or resource busy
>
The syntax for loading a module has changed. In my
/etc/conf.modules, I had to do the following change:
options ad1848 io=0x530 irq=10 dma=1,0
had to be changed to
options ad1848 io=0x530 irq=10 dma=1 dma2=0
The dma2 might also be called something else. Try combinations with dma, dma1,
dma2 and dma16.
- Vegard
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Paulus)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Discouraged Newbie.. Please help! :-)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:07:00 GMT
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:27:19, "The Grogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having so many problems with my installation of Red Hat 5.2, that I'm
> considering giving up! If you could give me even hints on any of these, it
> would be greatly appreciated!!
>
> 1. I get a GCC error most every time I try to install a program. I
> installed a new version of GCC from ftp, but to no avail. It gets the error
> when checking to see if it has a working copy of a C compiler.
>
Sorry, can't help here.
> 2. I have a Trident 9440, which absolutely refuses to load in 800x600,
> 16bpp. It works fine in Win98, but in Linux no matter what settings I try,
> it would only load the server in 640x480, 8bpp! What is going on? I don't
> have money to spend on expensive drivers.
You shouldn't need expensive drivers. It looks like the 9440 is going to be
recognized and/or supported as a Generic SVGA card, so....
run the xf86config utility, and set your xserver to be the SVGA server,
set the appropriate memory amount, and try that. If that doesn't work, then
I would suggest doing a bit of research on http://www.XFree86.org.
>
> 3. I also have a Opti931 sound card which I need, but every page that I can
> find on the card and linux gives me all the gibberish (that is, to me) about
> recompiling the kernel?? make?? sound module?? AHHH!!
Try the 'sndconfig' command first. See if your card is listed as directly
supported. If so, then sndconfig will set up all the configuration you need
for the card and set up your system to load the drivers at bootup time.
>
> 4. My last question. I tried to run the Midnight Commander immediatly
> after installing Red Hat, but without changing anything, it tells me it's
> missing libtcl.so. What on earth!!
You are missing the TCL libraries. Go back to the RH disk, and install the
TCL/TK package (RPM). You apparently didn't select this package when
you installed RH, and now you need it.
>
> Thanks!!
> Moishe Groger
>
> P.S. Please don't email me.
>
>
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