Linux-Misc Digest #907, Volume #18 Fri, 5 Feb 99 02:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Is non-contiguous disk space bad? ("Karsten M. Self")
Re: Unix/Advanced Computing People ("Wesley W. Garland")
help about using linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dialup Server with VNC into WinNT (Joerg Klaas)
Re: module problems with kernel 2.2.1 (Mircea)
Re: Linux on an overclocked PII (Michael Powe)
Re: Dosemu and winndoze partitions? ("Karsten M. Self")
Configure SMB printers with printtool? (Henry Lu)
help about using linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Newbie ? re: MAN Pages (walt)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Taskbar obscures full-screen xterm. (Bob Nelson)
Re: USB PC Cameras and Linux (Phoenix)
Re: Environment variables and C (Christopher Browne)
Re: help about using linux (walt)
Netscape/Mozilla and glibc-2.0.xx (Frederick V. Heitkamp)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Alexander Viro)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Jeremy Crabtree)
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is non-contiguous disk space bad?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:49:31 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Plachta wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could explain to me what it means when fsck
> reports that a percentage of a partition is non-contiguous. Is this a
> bad thing? Should I re-format and reinstall if I have a certain
> percentage of non-contiguous data on my disk??
It's what's called "fragmentation" in the Microsoft world. A certain
amount is OK. Your reserved percentage (usually 10%) is a buffer
against full fragmentation. Ordinarily, as files are created and
destroyed, the fragmentation varies a bit but never becomes very high.
The reserved percentage helps ensure this.
Linux filesystems (e2fs and kin) like most Unix filesystems tend to keep
fragmentation in check.
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From: "Wesley W. Garland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Unix/Advanced Computing People
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:10:20 -0500
Lakshmi;
>I live in lower Westchester county, New York. I have got Linux on my PC
>and
>have been studying Richard Stevens' APUE as well as Bach's The Unix
>Operating System. I am interested in Unix system programming,
>administration, OS kernels, network programming, parallel processing
>[ed: etc..etc..etc]
Get a copy of Operating Systems: Design and Implementation. Very good
book to provide food for thought for theoretical grounding. It is by
Tanenbaum and the ISBN is 0-13-637406-9. You'll thank me for it.
Cheers,
Wes
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: help about using linux
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:47:56 GMT
I am new to Linux, yet I like it very much. Presently I am using Red Hat
Linux 5.00 Yet i have found problems in adjusting the settings..like to make
it 8008600 pixels, how and from where I can download the softwares to be used
in the linux environment, few sites containing information about Linux etc.
Please help me.
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From: Joerg Klaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Dialup Server with VNC into WinNT
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 07:11:49 +0100
I know a lot of people using a Linux-box as a dial-in Server (ISDN as well
as analog), and they haven't reported ANY problems after setting it up
properly.
But I am pretty sure that VNC will have much much worser performance than
CITRIX. (of course when taking into account that it's for free it might not
matter that much anymore...).
I tried CITRIX inside a LAN, that worked fast, and without any problems.
VNC in contrast really only displays the remote screen on yours. I find it
REALLY slow, even inside a LAN without using dialup-connections. For an
administrative purpose it's perfect, but if you want to use it as you daily
working desktop, in my opinion it's not really handy.
Exception: You're using a Linuxbox as your Workstation where vncviewer is
running. It's for some reason really much faster than doing the same on a
Windows-system that has more CPU Power. So, using X11 and vncviewer is the
better choice.
BTW: VNC displays only one screen from one machine to another, while the
CITRIX server is providing an own kind of virtual screen to each workstation
that is connected.
Joerg
Stephan February wrote:
> Hi there
>
> Before attempting the following, I would like to know if it is possible.
> I do not have a lot of time for experimenting, about four days on the
> outside, so please bear with what would normally be a redundant post.
> I would like to setup a dialup Linux server with dynamic/static
> ip-addressing for a Class B TCP/IP network, which would act as a gateway
> into a WinNT LAN. I then intend running VNC servers on the Win95
> workstations. As you can see, I am trying to emulate a Citrix/Metaframe
> setup(without the money :-). I have had innumerable problems with NT RAS
> in the past. Apart from the fact that it is slow, it just totally bombs
> out half the time.
> This way also looks like the obvious scalable solution. Today a dial-up
> server, tomorrow a dedicated Web-Server providing my clients with the
> ultimate in global roaming, Linux Style.
>
> Regards
> Stephan February
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: module problems with kernel 2.2.1
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 01:15:04 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Uhm...when you compile, where exactly do you build the kernel? 'cause I
don't see any 'make zImage' or 'make zdisk' or anything similar in your
make sequence.
MST
Charles Mulks wrote:
>
> I'm trying to upgrade to kernel 2.2.1 on my RedHat 5.2
> linux box. Everything seems to go well except that no
> *modules* are being loaded
>
> make mrproper
> make xconfig
> make dep
> make clean
> make modules
> make modules_install
>
> no errors during any of the above, but when I
> boot I get an error message:
>
> finding module dependencies
> depmod... error loading shared libraries
> undefined symbol: __bzero
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on an overclocked PII
Date: 04 Feb 1999 18:13:24 -0800
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>>>>> "MRoman" == MRoman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MRoman> I've got a celeron 300a running on a i440BX board at
MRoman> 100MHz and linux 2.2.1 with no problems. Uptime @30 days
MRoman> now. Pick a decent board (abit bh6) and be careful about
MRoman> the processor cooling and voltage settings (2.2). Haven't
MRoman> heard of _any_ problems with Celeron 300a's being
MRoman> overclocked at all.
Hmm, I wonder how you managed `uptime @30 days' with a kernel less
than a week old. Is there some new method for installing a kernel
that doesn't require a reboot?
mp
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"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
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From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dosemu and winndoze partitions?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:26:51 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bostjan M�ller wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> Hello!
>
> I have a problem concerning dosemu that has problems because my dos is
> on a windooze partition and when startiong dosemu it wants to start win.
> Is there a away around this ?
Windows 95 or Win3.x
If the latter, then remove the 'WIN' command from your startup sequence
(probably AUTOEXEC.BAT). If the former, there are switches which can
force DOS rather than Win95 execution, I don't know what they are.
You can create a DOS partition by including COMMAN.COM. IO.SYSMSDOS.SYS,
CONFIG.SYS, and/or other files, and whatever executables you want to
use, to another partition.
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What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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From: Henry Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Configure SMB printers with printtool?
Date: 5 Feb 1999 03:25:22 GMT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: help about using linux
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:47:17 GMT
I am new to Linux, yet I like it very much. Presently I am using Red Hat
Linux 5.00 Yet i have found problems in adjusting the settings..like to make
it 8008600 pixels, how and from where I can download the softwares to be used
in the linux environment, few sites containing information about Linux etc.
Please help me.
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From: walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie ? re: MAN Pages
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:17:31 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I feel like a doofus asking such a simple question, but I can't figure
out how to get out of a MAN page. I'm using RedHat 5.0 on a P200, and
I'm just starting out. Obviously, the MAN pages would be a big help for
a FNG, but when I call one up, I can't get out! I get to the end and I'm
stuck. Help!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 06:15:28 GMT
In article <77lbjn$257$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Kelley) wrote:
> In article <77l6os$hl3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Grant W. Petty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to jump in here and stomp on this analogy. It is quite
> interesting that people use this one over and OVER and O V E R in OS
> wars, thinking that it apologizes for something or other. What if you
> look at it this way: The Beta standard was controlled and licensed by
> Sony. They had exclusive rights to charge companies for making the
> devices and such whereas VHS was more of a communal standard which was
> set by several other companies (most importantly, Panasonic).
>
> So, if the great "VHS vs. Beta" analogy is suppost to be analogous to
> anything in our OS world of today, I'd wager that:
>
> Sony => Microsoft [ Beta => Windows ]
> Others => Open Source [ VHS => Linux/BSD ]
>
> That's _politically_ speaking, of course. If I had to compare
> technologies then I'd probably say that Open Source is best
> represented by LaserDisc. :)
>
Nice analogy, I agree :)
> [snip]
>
> ->Finally, if Linux is to have half a chance of making inroads into the
> ->broader market, it has to become possible to do a complete install and
> ->configuration simply by sticking a CD in the drive and clicking
> ->"install". I just installed Suse 5.3 on my PC last week and it's
> ->still FAR from being a process the average Joe Blow would be able to
> ->muddle through, I think.
>
Um, I don't think the strength of Linux is being 'easy to install' for the
average Joe. I don't think the main use of Linux is for the average Joe
neither. In fact I belive the strength of Linux is it's stability and ability
to do real work beside playing flashy 3D-games (what the average Joe mostly
wants to do anyways) Also the Free software license format is also a main
strength. For example, On a small scale if I wanted to share my Internet
service with 3 other computers in my household, I would need $90 (win98) +
$60-$150 (for a license to use a program such as SyGate). And on a larger
scale if one needed to network say 10-20 PCs together for a small company
you'd be looking at at least $1000 for licensing fees. If you used
Linux...for just software fees you'd only need to spend $50 if any at all.
So, no matter if Joe uses Linux or not, Linux will still survive and thrive
with lower costs, more support, better stability etc.
> Try RedHat 5.2.
>
> It auto-detected *everything* on my system (including my sound and
> video cards). I've installed every major distribution and RedHat is
> by far the easiest to get running.
>
> --
> The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
>
>
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From: Bob Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Taskbar obscures full-screen xterm.
Date: 4 Feb 1999 21:27:22 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can I set up an xterm (in fvwm2) so that when I click on the
> full-screen button, the lower part of the xterm window is not obscured
> by the taskbar, i.e., the bottom of the xterm window will be at the top
> of the taskbar. (Otherwise the xterm's command line is obscured.)
> I'd like to keep the taskbar, but also continue to use the button to
> toggle between full-screen and as-created size.
Just remove the ``StaysOnTop'' style modifier for the taskbar.
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========================================================================
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http://www.oldradio.com/archives/nelson/open-computing.html
``Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.''
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 23:50:20 -0600
From: Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.periphs.dcameras,comp.dcom.videoconf,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: USB PC Cameras and Linux
Hue Jass wrote:
> I know there is a project to bring USB support to LINUX, but I don't know
> how close to supporting PC cameras that project is (I tried to get to
> http://www.nv.org/linux/USB/, but it was so slow, it timed out).
>
> Are there any drivers and applications out there now that will work with USB
> cameras such as the ViCAM and Logitech QuickCAM Pro?
>
> - Thanks
None yet, There is still a long way to go on the USB project. Also from what I
gather they are having problems getting the specs from the manufacturers. also
for USB project info try http://www.nv.org/linux/uusbd-www/ instead of the
link you posted or Inaky's site
http://peloncho.fis.ucm.es/~inaky/uusbd-www/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Environment variables and C
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 03:40:08 GMT
On 4 Feb 1999 13:04:59 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Greg Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>People,
>>
>>I'm writing a Linux application that needs to find certain files
>>in its install directory. I've noticed that many programs (e.g.
>>Netscape) solve this problem by using an environment variable.
>>
>>Great. So how do I access an environment variable from within C?
>
>This is probably a pretty involved subject to address in a newsgroup
>but this may help.
>
>extern char **environ;
>
>main(argc, argv, envp)
>
>int argc;
>char *argv[], *envp[];
>
>
>then something along the lines of:
> for (i=0;envion[i] != NULL; i++)
> printf("%s\n",environ[i]);
>
>blah blah blah
>
>
>>I have a feeling there's some scheme similar to the argc/argv
>>method of passing command line parameters, but I don't know the
>>details. Can some kind person point me in the right direction?
>>Does it differ depending on your shell? (please say no)
No.
>You might find Advanced Unix Programming by Marc J. Rochkind
>to be interesting reading....
The Stevens book on Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment tends
to be well regarded.
>(972) 399-4106
Hm. Same area code as mine...
It might prove useful to look at the manual page for "getenv."
On the Solaris box here, it reads:
getenv(3C) C Library Functions getenv(3C)
NAME
getenv - return value for environment name
SYNOPSIS
#include <stdlib.h>
char *getenv(const char *name);
MT-LEVEL
Safe
DESCRIPTION
getenv() searches the environment list (see environ(5)) for
a string of the form name=value and, if the string is
present, returns a pointer to the value in the current
environment.
RETURN VALUES
If successful, getenv() returns a pointer to the value in
the current environment; otherwise, it returns a null
pointer.
SEE ALSO
exec(2), putenv(3C), environ(5)
I've not had call to use it, but would presume that you'd do something like:
#include<stdlib.h>
void main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
printf("Home directory: %s\n",
getenv("HOME"));
}
Unfortunately I don't have C installed in the local environment, and
can't check to see how well this compiles...
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree,
Virginia Power)
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From: walt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help about using linux
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 00:33:07 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am new to Linux, yet I like it very much. Presently I am using Red Hat
> Linux 5.00 Yet i have found problems in adjusting the settings..like to make
> it 8008600 pixels, how and from where I can download the softwares to be used
> in the linux environment, few sites containing information about Linux etc.
> Please help me.
>
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any good search engine will pick up a dozen or so linux sites for you to
visit. a good one is www.linux.org, another is redhat's site redhat.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frederick V. Heitkamp)
Subject: Netscape/Mozilla and glibc-2.0.xx
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 5 Feb 1999 02:06:28 GMT
I've converted my Linux to a glibc-2.0.108 based system
though there are some libc5 and a few a.out apps left.
Unfortunately I can't seem to find a Netscape that works
on it now. All segfault. For example, attachec is what happens
using the mozilla code I downloaded and compiled. The other
interesting thing that happens is that I can't find out
where in glibc-2.0.108 the segfault occurs even though I
compiled it with --enable-debug.
root@pc1:/drives/work3/src/mozilla/dist/bin # gdb viewer core
GNU gdb 4.17
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i586-pc-linux-gnu"...
Core was generated by `./viewer'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
find_solib: Can't read pathname for load map: Input/output error
#0 0x40b497f8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) where
#0 0x40b497f8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libc.so.6
#1 0x40b4937d in ?? () from /usr/lib/libc.so.6
#2 0x407b8499 in ?? () from /usr/local/nspr/lib/libnspr21.so
#3 0x407b38c9 in ?? () from /usr/local/nspr/lib/libnspr21.so
#4 0x407b367c in ?? () from /usr/local/nspr/lib/libnspr21.so
#5 0x407a424f in ?? () from /usr/local/nspr/lib/libnspr21.so
#6 0x407a429d in ?? () from /usr/local/nspr/lib/libnspr21.so
#7 0x4079486f in ?? () from /usr/local/nspr/lib/libnspr21.so
#8 0x40801f68 in ?? () from /drives/work3/src/mozilla/dist/bin/./libraptorwebwidget.so
#9 0x40804857 in ?? () from /drives/work3/src/mozilla/dist/bin/./libraptorwebwidget.so
#10 0x407f6896 in ?? () from /drives/work3/src/mozilla/dist/bin/./libraptorwebwidget.so
#11 0x40002451 in ?? ()
#12 0x40b014c0 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x40b31164.
(gdb)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 5 Feb 1999 01:51:04 -0500
In article <acvu2.5729$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ya. It would have been very interesting if I would have started with Unix
>instead of Dos. I don't know about going to from Unix to Dos based systems,
Nauseating. Finding that you are in a house where half of things
are simply painted on the walls. That thing looking like a lightbulb is a
shower. You quickly find out *how* you can miss the simplest tools you always
used (tee, sed, awk, troff - you name it). You want to grab the stderr from
the compiler and see that tcc -c foo.c 2>&foo.log fscking doesn't work. Yes,
writing a wrapper that would do it is trivial, but WTF??? You are trying to
remove all files in a directory and notice that * doesn't cover "a.c", but
*.* *does* cover "a". Weird... *.* fscking means <anything><dot><anything>,
damnit! *\*.c doesn't work??? What weirdie invented all this madness? And
all those idiotic command names... For $DEITY sake, WTF is ERA? Or REN? What's
wrong with rm and mv? Where is normal if, damnit?!? What??? IF ERRORLEVEL 10
and so on for 9, 8, yodda, yodda? What kind of sadomasochist invented that?
And if I want to remove all files longer than 1Mb and older than a week I
should do WHAT? Write a special utility? And if I want to archive them I should
write another one??? And *that* is called OS? I mean, they had written Xenix,
so they had seen a sane OS. *Why* would one produce that kind of monstrosity?
You feel that you are reduced to a language where all sentences
consist of 2-3 words and you *can't* say anything more, erm, complex than
"Your eat. My wanna piss. Draw fruit. Give that. No, *that*. Whiiine..."
Try to restrict yourself to that level of English for few hours. Infuriating?
Sure. That's what you get in DOS/Windows. It resembles dealing with mentally
retarded teenager *unable* to understand a normal language or do even the
simplest things. No wonder that folks with DOS/Windows background are so afraid
of command line. It can scare anybody forever.
>but going from Windows to Linux is ruff.
>I'm still shaken up by hda & hdb.
Huh? Ever tried to add a logical disk on your master harddisk and
watch the names of logical disk sitting on the slave being shifted? Or just
add a second harddisk when your first one has two partitions. D: becoming
E:, anyone?
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 5 Feb 1999 06:56:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Ross allegedly wrote:
>
>Jeremy Crabtree wrote in message ...
>>Jim Ross allegedly wrote:
[SNIP...for brevity]
>>> Being powerful is ok, but just as important
>>>to most is ease of use.
>>
>>Of course, when "ease-of-use" becomes and end, rather than a means...
>
>Nothing wrong for having say an "express" way of installing and running a
>program. Something like "with this you can be dialed into you ISP in under
>45 seconds with this software." This would not take anything away from
>tools available now, just that if these things can be automated they can be
>done very quickly by the computer. This could really turn someones head
>around about using Windows just to dial in to an ISP and read e-mail.
Yeah...though, I really intended that to be a sort of reminder to not get
too caught up in making it "easy" that it becomes unusable.
[...]
>>> PPP works in Windows, in Linux for me it does not.
>>
>>Sorry to hear that (really). I would ask which tools you've tried, but
>>I would guess that you'ved tried several. I think I got lucky on that,
>>it took very little effort to get PPP up on my system; but in general,
>>PPP seems to be one of the trickier services to set up, despite the
>>plethora of GUI tools to do it.
>
>Once PPP did work very easily. Too bad it only connected at 9600bps (which
>is the default I understand).
That should have been pretty easy to fix...if you know where the script
lives...which, I guess, does present a bit of a problem.
> Now with say KPPP and EZPPP as a shell for
>PPPD it doesn't work.
Odd...how does it "not work"? What doesn't it do that it should?
> I set up PPP in Win95, 98, NT, so the setting aren't
>the problem. I should post to see if someone knows, but I don't even get
>the initial text in a terminal so it doesn't even necessarily relate to PPP
>itself maybe. PPP is hard as you say, most OSes have a hard time getting it
>all going right.
This brings up an interesting question, WHY is it so difficult to do
'right'?
[SNIP]
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself
the difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts
that are not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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