Linux-Misc Digest #907, Volume #20                Sat, 3 Jul 99 19:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Changing the "From:" line (Vilmos Soti)
  Re: first/second/third world (Peter Seebach)
  time of day clock drift (Scott Gravenhorst  (see sig for reply))
  Re: Accessing dos files from Linux. (Adrian Hands)
  Re: Visual programming language for linux? (David M. Cook)
  Re: Changing the "From:" line (Gergo Barany)
  Re: How do I tell "man" or "emacs" to use full telnet window? (Jurgen Froese)
  Re: Something which I've wondered about ethernet devices... (Paul Anderson)
  Re: Resizing linux partition (T.T. Lee)
  Re: Resizing linux partition ("Charles Sullivan")
  Re: ExecCGI Off? ("asrmj")
  Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE (johnny brasseur)
  Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE (johnny brasseur)
  Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE (johnny brasseur)
  Re: Mounting Troubles
  frontpage server extension and apache (Patrick)
  Re: Can someone explain this syslog error? (Frederic L. W. Meunier)
  Re: script breaks: how compatible bash is with sh/ksh (Marc Mutz)
  Re: Mr. Kulisz wisdom ( is there any? ) (Richard Kulisz)

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From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Changing the "From:" line
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:08:31 GMT

On 2 Jul 1999 07:56:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
Chalmers) wrote:

>I am setting up a new Linux system (with Red Hat 6.0).  It has an
>awful domain name, and I'd like to use something simpler as my e-mail
>address.  I've set things up so that incoming mail to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] will forward to the new system.  But I need to
>set things up so that my outgoing mail is seen by recipients as being
>from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (so the awful name is more or less
>transparent).  Presumably this means setting up my mailer so that it
>automatically changes the "From:" line on my outgoing messages.
>Someone local told me how to do this with pine, elm, or Netscape mail,
>but they didn't know how to do it with standard Berkeley mail, which
>is what I use, and I couldn't find the answer in the obvious places.
>
>Question: How do I do this with Berkeley mail?
>
>--David Chalmers.
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for now)

Hi,

Here is a solution for sendmail. YOu have to be root to do this.

Create a file /etc/userdb where you define the outgoing email address
for different users in the following format:

username:mailname [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In your case, if you have a chalmers account, then

chalmers:mailname [EMAIL PROTECTED]

After creating this file, you have to create a binary database by

makemap -d btree /etc/userdb.db < /etc/userdb

Next, in your /etc/sendmail.cf file, you have to change the line

#O UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb

to

O UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb.db

Finally, you have to restart sendmail. On my RH51, it is

/etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail restart

Don't forget to check out if it works. Send a mail for yourself and
check the sender.

Source:
>From a Hungarian Linux mailing list.

Hope it helps, Vilmos

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:01:35 GMT

In article <7ll993$dna$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <7lja66$7r7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Stephan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Today most scientists are leaning towards the first interpretation
>>(due to Occam's Razor),

>This is wrong. Ockham's razor actually says that you should pick
>the Many-World interpretation.

Does it?  How is this theory "simpler"?  In particular, what entities or
agencies are you allowed to rule out by following Many-World?

And why, pray tell, are you pretending you know anything about physics?  You
readily dismiss Penrose in fields other than his own.  Why are you so
convinced that you are somehow able to tell which of the physicists are right,
and which are wrong?

(And, come to think of it, why on earth are you accepting without question
the pronouncements of a linguist about social policy and theory?)

-s
-- 
Copyright 1999, All rights reserved.  Peter Seebach / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter.  Boycott Spamazon!
Will work for interesting hardware.  http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/
Visit my new ISP <URL:http://www.plethora.net/> --- More Net, Less Spam!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Gravenhorst  (see sig for reply))
Subject: time of day clock drift
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:50:48 GMT

red hat 5.2
kernel 2.0.36

My clock drifts pretty bad.  I found a file: /etc/adjtime which
contains the one line:  0.0 0 0.0

man adjtime yields nothing.  I am assuming this file can be configured
to correct for clock drift.

Is this correct?  and if so, what do the three values mean/do ?

-- Scott Gravenhorst
-- FatMan Site: www.teklab.com/~chordman
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Accessing dos files from Linux.
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:46:34 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Julian Evans wrote:
> 
> I have LILO set up to boot dos and linux and it works great.  I was wondering
> how i can get to my dos files from linux, if that is possible.  I primarily
> need to move stuff from my linux partition to my dos partition.  I am using Red
> Hat Linux 6.0.

Your dos C:\ drive is probably already mounted onto your linux
partition.
Check like this:

$ mount
/dev/hda2 on / type ext2 (rw)
none on /proc type proc (rw)
/dev/hda1 on /mnt/dosc type msdos (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
/dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb1 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hdb2 on /mnt/hdb2 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hdb3 on /mnt/hdb3 type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hdb4 on /mnt/hdb4 type ext2 (rw)
none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0622)
$ 

As indicated above, my dos/windows partition is mounted as /mnt/dosc.
If this isn't already setup, you can set it up easily enough by adding
this line to /etc/fstab:

/dev/hda1               /mnt/dosc               msdos   defaults,user  
0 0

Where /dev/hda1 indicates that the first partition is the dos/windows
partition and
hd = ide controller (sd = scsi)
a = first drive
1 = first partition
/mnt/dosc is an empty directory to which I want to mount that partition.
The man pages explain the other options.
Mine mounts when I boot, but you can manually mount it like this:

$ mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt/dosc

Loot at "man mount" and "man fstab"

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Visual programming language for linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:37:48 GMT

On Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:27:33 +0200, H.Eitjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Does there exist a Visual language for linux. Like there is visual C or
>visual basic for MS-windows?

You could try the Visual Tcl program:

http://www.neuron.com/stewart/vtcl/

Or perhaps one of the SmallTalk environments:

http://squeak.cs.uiuc.edu/
http://www.objectshare.com/vwnc/

Dave Cook

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gergo Barany)
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Changing the "From:" line
Date: 3 Jul 1999 20:41:28 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Vilmos Soti wrote:
>On 2 Jul 1999 07:56:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
>Chalmers) wrote:
>
>>I am setting up a new Linux system (with Red Hat 6.0).  It has an
>>awful domain name, and I'd like to use something simpler as my e-mail
>>address.  I've set things up so that incoming mail to
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] will forward to the new system.  But I need to
>>set things up so that my outgoing mail is seen by recipients as being
>>from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (so the awful name is more or less
>>transparent).  Presumably this means setting up my mailer so that it
>>automatically changes the "From:" line on my outgoing messages.
>>Someone local told me how to do this with pine, elm, or Netscape mail,
>>but they didn't know how to do it with standard Berkeley mail, which
>>is what I use, and I couldn't find the answer in the obvious places.
>>
>>Question: How do I do this with Berkeley mail?
>>
>>--David Chalmers.
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for now)
>
>Hi,
>
>Here is a solution for sendmail. YOu have to be root to do this.
<SNIP>

Interesting info, but you could also just use the -f flag with sendmail
:-)

Gergo

-- 
        THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #13: SLOBOL

SLOBOL is best known for the speed, or lack of it, of its compiler.
Although many compilers allow you to take a coffee break while they
compile, SLOBOL compilers allow you to travel to Bolivia to pick the
coffee.  Forty-three programmers are known to have died of boredom
sitting at their terminals while waiting for a SLOBOL program to
compile.  Weary SLOBOL programmers often turn to a related (but
infinitely faster) language, COCAINE.

GU d- s:+ a--- C++>$ UL+++ P>++ L+++ E>++ W+ N++ o? K- w--- !O !M !V
PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP+ t* 5+ X- R>+ tv++ b+>+++ DI+ D+ G>++ e* h! !r !y+

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From: Jurgen Froese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc
Subject: Re: How do I tell "man" or "emacs" to use full telnet window?
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:05:39 +0200

David wrote:
> 
> how can I tell "man" or "emacs" or any other ascii based
> application to use the full telnet window that I have set up? I
> use netterm as telnet application where I can set row and column
> numbers bigger than 24 by 80. But "man" does use only this
> standard screen to scroll and "emacs" does only cover this 32x80
> area of the window. Any hints?

export LINES=??
export COLUMNS=??

These variables are probably on the default for your session

HTH
Juergen

Follow-up comp.os.linux.misc

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Something which I've wondered about ethernet devices...
Date: 3 Jul 1999 02:28:42 -0400

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>It isn't neeed or useful to have the real time clock as /dev/rtc but its
>there. After all , what program (that isn't a virus) would want to write
>to it?
>
You don't write to it, you use ioctl() on it.  See:
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/rtc.txt


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From: T.T. Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Resizing linux partition
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:53:54 GMT

doesn't partition magic from powerquest support ext2 file system? I
thought so..


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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Resizing linux partition
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:23:18 -0400

Newer versions, certainly PM 4.0, yes.

T.T. Lee wrote in message <7llt90$ded$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>doesn't partition magic from powerquest support ext2 file system? I
>thought so..
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Share what you know. Learn what you don't.



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From: "asrmj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networkin,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ExecCGI Off?
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:25:24 +0100

If I remeber correctly, to update those configurations you have to send
signal SIGHUP to the process that is fed with access.conf, something like
"kill -SIGHUP <process_name>".



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From: johnny brasseur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.2600,linux.redhat.announce,linux.redhat.development,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:12:42 +0200

Well this is a typical newbies problem.
You can easily change your graphic configuration using Xconfigurator or
XF86Setup which generates a file named /etc/X11/XF86Config. This file at it's
bottom contains
indication on what card you use and what graphics resolutions and depths you can

have with your card. Take a lot at your distribution's documentation ...
Don't fear the penguin !


Buhrer wrote:

> If you haven't worked it out yet : make sure you have the resolutions, which
> you want to switch back and forth from, set in the /etc/XF86Config file. An
> easy way to do this is to set them all up on start up, or run Setup again
> (i.e. "Setup" on Redhat).
>
> John Clarke wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >I have the same problem and Ctrl + Alt + "+" ("-") does nothing. Any
> >ideas?
> >
> >John
> >
> >Jim Porter wrote:
> >>
> >> Ctrl + Alt + "+" or
> >> Ctrl + Alt + "+"
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:48:03 GMT, "Intro Technologies"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have installed Linux for the 1st time in my life, it boots into
> something
> >> >called KDE...after I login I see a nice pretty screen but the fonts are
> HUGE
> >> >and all the windows are HUGE not allowing me to do anything, can someone
> >> >please tell me how I could change the resolution easily, I have a Viper
> V550
> >> >16MB AGP Card and Panasonic P110 (21inch) monitor.  Again, when Linux
> boots
> >> >all I see is a login screen and after I login everything is HUGE.
> >
> >


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From: johnny brasseur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.2600,linux.redhat.announce,linux.redhat.development,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:13:00 +0200

Well this is a typical newbies problem.
You can easily change your graphic configuration using Xconfigurator or
XF86Setup which generates a file named /etc/X11/XF86Config. This file at it's
bottom contains
indication on what card you use and what graphics resolutions and depths you can

have with your card. Take a lot at your distribution's documentation ...
Don't fear the penguin !


Buhrer wrote:

> If you haven't worked it out yet : make sure you have the resolutions, which
> you want to switch back and forth from, set in the /etc/XF86Config file. An
> easy way to do this is to set them all up on start up, or run Setup again
> (i.e. "Setup" on Redhat).
>
> John Clarke wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >I have the same problem and Ctrl + Alt + "+" ("-") does nothing. Any
> >ideas?
> >
> >John
> >
> >Jim Porter wrote:
> >>
> >> Ctrl + Alt + "+" or
> >> Ctrl + Alt + "+"
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:48:03 GMT, "Intro Technologies"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have installed Linux for the 1st time in my life, it boots into
> something
> >> >called KDE...after I login I see a nice pretty screen but the fonts are
> HUGE
> >> >and all the windows are HUGE not allowing me to do anything, can someone
> >> >please tell me how I could change the resolution easily, I have a Viper
> V550
> >> >16MB AGP Card and Panasonic P110 (21inch) monitor.  Again, when Linux
> boots
> >> >all I see is a login screen and after I login everything is HUGE.
> >
> >


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From: johnny brasseur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.2600,linux.redhat.announce,linux.redhat.development,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Please Help Resolution Change In KDE
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:13:19 +0200

Well this is a typical newbies problem.
You can easily change your graphic configuration using Xconfigurator or
XF86Setup which generates a file named /etc/X11/XF86Config. This file at it's
bottom contains
indication on what card you use and what graphics resolutions and depths you can

have with your card. Take a lot at your distribution's documentation ...
Don't fear the penguin !


Buhrer wrote:

> If you haven't worked it out yet : make sure you have the resolutions, which
> you want to switch back and forth from, set in the /etc/XF86Config file. An
> easy way to do this is to set them all up on start up, or run Setup again
> (i.e. "Setup" on Redhat).
>
> John Clarke wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >I have the same problem and Ctrl + Alt + "+" ("-") does nothing. Any
> >ideas?
> >
> >John
> >
> >Jim Porter wrote:
> >>
> >> Ctrl + Alt + "+" or
> >> Ctrl + Alt + "+"
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:48:03 GMT, "Intro Technologies"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have installed Linux for the 1st time in my life, it boots into
> something
> >> >called KDE...after I login I see a nice pretty screen but the fonts are
> HUGE
> >> >and all the windows are HUGE not allowing me to do anything, can someone
> >> >please tell me how I could change the resolution easily, I have a Viper
> V550
> >> >16MB AGP Card and Panasonic P110 (21inch) monitor.  Again, when Linux
> boots
> >> >all I see is a login screen and after I login everything is HUGE.
> >
> >


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
From:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting Troubles
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:47:58 -0800

Thanks for the help--seeing that I didn't have several of those fd0* bits,
I used mknod to enter them in the hopes that their lack was causing the
problem. After creating them, I tried mounting my floppy again and. . .I
got the same error. What the hell?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick)
Subject: frontpage server extension and apache
Date: 28 Jun 1999 07:33:17 GMT

I have installed frontpage98 server extension for unix
(which can be downloaded from http://www.rtr.com/)
so that the users can use frontpage to upload their hp to a unix web server
but now there is an error when user upload a file from frontpage98:
500 internal server error...
and when i read the apache errorlog file, it seems that the frontpage
server extension sucks, the frontpage counter also cannot work....
do anyone know how can i solve this problem?

httpsd: [Sun Jun 27 22:12:46 1999] [error] [client 203.80.106.217] Premature
end of script headers:
/home/www/hkcchoir.org.hk/_vti_bin/fpcount.exe


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From: Frederic L. W. Meunier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can someone explain this syslog error?
Date: 3 Jul 1999 22:42:58 GMT

I keep getting this error on bootup in /var/log/syslog with both my
2.0.36 and 2.2.7 kernel:
   
Jul  3 15:21:06 ogham kernel: Symbol table has incorrect version number.
   
The original dist. was slackware 3.6 which had a 2.0.35 kernel. Could this
have something to do with it?
,,,
Make sure that it find your System.map. Usually, it searches for this file in
this order: /boot, / and /usr/src/linux . If /boot has a System.map from the
2.0.36 kernel and you boot with your 2.2.7 you get this. It's not a big problem.
Here I link /usr/src/linux/System.map to /boot/System.map and I let my old
System.map in /. Again, it's not an "ERROR". Your Linux will work fine without
this.


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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 00:33:36 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: script breaks: how compatible bash is with sh/ksh

Farid Hamjavar wrote:
> 
> (and I don't plan on compiling/using pdksh)
<snipped the part with [[->[ & print->echo>
> What other options do I have?
> 
None. Rewrite your scripts or install a ksh {,clone}.

Marc

-- 
Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>                    http://marc.mutz.com/
University of Bielefeld, Dep. of Mathematics / Dep. of Physics

PGP-keyID's:   0xd46ce9ab (RSA), 0x7ae55b9e (DSS), 0x31748570 (DH)


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Mr. Kulisz wisdom ( is there any? )
Date: 3 Jul 1999 14:58:32 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nonnaho  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Well Dick, your reply is as I expected.  Your quick to criticize
>others actions,
>but came up few solutions of your own ( by the way, I don't know which course of

Well, Moron, the solution is simple; stay the fuck away from other nations.
It would also help if the USA recognized the authority of the UN, paid its
back dues, and gave up its permanent seat on the Security Council. Then it
could pay back the money it stole from other nations under the auspices of
"interest repayment" for illegitimate debt. And then it could dissolve the
International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and World Trade Organization. Any
of those would be a good first steps.

>action that would have been the best concerning the Yugoslavia mater ).  See

The best course of action would've been an immediate ground invasion, with
*NO* bombing, seizing all the harvest and rationing it out, at which point
you perform a systematic search & seizure operation for weapons across the
entire nation, without skipping a single house, barn or shack.

But taking casualties is not within the US mindset so the best *possible*
course of action would've been to 1) Do Nothing, or better yet, 2) don't
wreck the peace process the French and Germans had achieved (of course,
Germany caused the breakup of Yugoslavia in the first place but anyways).

>below for further commentary on your incorrect assumptions.

>> NATO is controlled by the USA. When was the last time it did something the
>> US didn't approve of?
>
>  Are you saying that the other NATO countries did not WANT to be apart of
>that action that took place?

I'll take that as a "never". France and Germany did not want the operation
to take place in the first fucking place.

>  Criticism means "Jack squat" is the US.  Do you really believe this?  I will
>give you the benefit of the doubt that you are unaware of how much debating
>about this situation that took place in Congress.  Many Senators and Congressmen

Man, you are a moron.

>were against taking action.  In the end, more Senators, Congressmen, and plain
>old citizens thought we should go ahead ( and stop with the brainwashing media
>crap.  Night after night on the way home from work I listen to radio talk show
>host Intelligently debate why we SHOULD NOT take action.  No government agent

And how many people did he reach? 95% of people see the Tee-Vee explaining
why you *should* bomb the former Yugoslavia back to the Stone Age and you
bring *that* up as a counter? Yeck, talking to you about this is useless;
you probably don't even know what 'framing the issues' means.

>shut him down! And the national news regularly showed protest that were taking 
>place ).

>> Ahhh, so it's obviously better to start shooting at the woman in hopes she'll
>> start fighting back at the rapist? Thank you for the analogy ..
>
>  Well duh, shooting at the woman would be stupid!  What if while you

Well, duh, that's exactly what the USA did with Iraq, Stupid!

[snip -- tripe]

>  And by the way, you didn't have the balls to say what you thought
>someone should
>do when confronted with a situation like this!  Should they close there eyes and

A situation like Yugoslavia? Do *NOTHING*. How many times do I have to repeat
it, Moron?

>pretend it's not happening?  Should they try to stop the rapist?  What?  I don't
>think you have the intelligence to answer this question ( prove me wrong! ).

<rolleyes> If one follows your analogy, then pulling the rapist off the
woman would mean invading Yugoslavia and kidnapping Milosevic. But that's
now what the USA did, is it? What it did was take potshots at the victim
all the while claiming to be aiming at the rapist.

>> The first thing you should do is *NOT* to escalate the atrocities already
>> going on. The intentions of the USA are not in question; they are evil and
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Please explain the intentions of the US?  Why were they evil?  The US did
>not take this action to stop the atrocities? ( it could be argued that the
>US's methods could have been better, but intentions? ).

The /only/ nation I know of in recent history that can claim to have had
humanitarian concerns when attacking a sovereign nation is Vietnam when
it invaded Cambodia to get rid of Pol Pot.

The USA's actions have *always* resulted in a worsening of atrocities.
Columbia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Guatemala, Panama, Costa Rica,
Haiti, Iraq and many more. A lesser being would doubt the USA's professed
good intentions but not you, because As We All Know, it's the fault of
the lazy hispanics that the neo-liberal policies in Chile resulted in
massive labour, environmental, and social disasters. It's the fault of
the niggers that nothing in Africa goes right, and it's certainly the
fault of the turban-heads that Iraq is so fucked up. Because we all know
the USA's intentions are pure so it must be Other People's Fault.

Note: Americans actually do blame South Americans for the disasters
        the USA perpetrated on them.
        Evil is total lack of concern for others and that's exactly
        what the USA's doctrine of international geopolitics is.

>> It's interesting that you don't leave open the possibility of the rest of
>> NATO being better than the USA; *obviously* the USA is the best, most well-
>
>  It's VERY interesting how easily you read this into what I wrote, since I 
>never said or implied this.  Very telling about yourself!

You gave two options: either the other NATO members were /as bad/ as the
USA, or they were /worse/ than the USA. Stop trying to twist things, Moron.

>  Your statements would lead one to EASILY believe that it is not the US's 
>actions you hate, but of it's successes!  Jealousy, Plain and simple!

Your existence is the only valid argument I know of for the death penalty.

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