Linux-Misc Digest #954, Volume #18 Mon, 8 Feb 99 16:13:17 EST
Contents:
Re: x windows proablems ("bob")
Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code ("Keith
Peterson")
KDE vs xterm backspace and scroll bar? (Leslie Mikesell)
xf86Config question... resolution. ("PG")
Still no luck with RH 5.2 and 2.2.x... :( ("Greg Waugh")
terminal info (Evan Griffing)
Re: logging in with your thumb (humor) (gus)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Shaun Rowland)
Re: Why does Linux do this? (Paul Gifford)
Re: > 64MB RAM (Marco Anglesio)
Re: NFS mounting volumes on OS/2 (DOS, NT) systems ("Frank Bures")
rpm gimp? what am I missing? (Mark Winter)
Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux ("Keith G. Murphy")
Re: Proposal for an Open Source Robot AI Operating System (Arthur T. Murray)
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From: "bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: x windows proablems
Date: 8 Feb 1999 16:20:18 GMT
I can tell you what I did for this type of thing.
I redirected the X start-up logging to a file, killed the start-up when it
hung, then read the file.
Assuming csh or tcsh:
startx |& tee startx.dump
CTRL_ALT-Backspace
vi startx.dump
One of the "logged messages" showed I had the wrong driver for my card. It
was near the top of the file, so the normal dump of the screen was
scrolling it up and off, hence couldn't see it.
Hope this helps.
cheers..bob
ImY2Kool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> when I go to load x alls I get is a black screen. I bleave that my video
card
> is not supported but I am not sure its a ATI Rage LT pro AGP 2X.
> Perhaps its supported by a newer virsion on X? or maybe thats not the
problem
> at all? any Ideas?
>
>
>
> Y2Kool
>
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From: "Keith Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:25:07 -0700
>>>Sorry, the idea of Bill Gates having sex just does not compute.
>>
>>then how did he become a father?
>
Well, much as this is a "make-fun-of-Bill" thread, I have to point to the
Jerry Springer show. I think you'll agree that given the number of simply
ugly people involved in sex triangles these days, an average-looking guy
like Bill Gates wouldn't have THAT much trouble finding sex...
:)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: KDE vs xterm backspace and scroll bar?
Date: 8 Feb 1999 01:25:44 -0600
I just installed KDE and generally like it, but why does it keep
xterms from having scroll bars and turn the backspace key into
delete? And how do I undo it - the dozens of screens to customize
the desktop stuff don't seem to mention this?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "PG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: xf86Config question... resolution.
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:07:02 -0500
On the widows side I can have a screen resoltion of 1152 x 864 with 16 bit
depth. I'd like the same resolution In Linux but I can only go from 1024x768
to 1280x1024 w/ 8 bit depth. Is it simply a matter of putting 1152x864 in
the <Modes> line w/16 bit color?
Second, I know the keystrokes for cycling through screen resolutions
(800x600 to 640x480) but what's the keystroke for cycling through color
depths?
PG
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From: "Greg Waugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,linux.dev.kernel,linux.redhat.misc,umich.linux
Subject: Still no luck with RH 5.2 and 2.2.x... :(
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:23:12 -0500
I thought I'd repost this since my last post got severly buried in a
thread...
Everything seems to be working, but no network. I cannot add IP aliases or
it gives me the following error "No kernel support for devices aliasing".
Now granted that's using RH linuxconf to add the aliases, so maybe the
syntax is wrong... but that's not my main problem... no network. I have to
boot in 2.0.36 and disable sendmail, httpd and smbd from loading or else
they will hang on boot. I cannot ping anything on the local network and
here's ifconfig: BTW: the NIC is a 3Com 3c509B. It's detected correctly
on bootup though....
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:26:FC:12:3E
inet addr:10.0.0.9 Bcast:10.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:6978 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:37
Notice there's never any packets received. But it's not a hardware problem
since as soon as I reboot in 2.0.36 everything works. I'm using all RedHat
5.2 distribution rc.d scripts, so if there's something that needs to be
changed in there that I don't know about I may not have done it. I notice
that RH 2.0.36 kernel uses 3c509.c v1.16 whereas 2.2.1 comes with v1.14. I
tried copying the 3c509.c into the 2.2.1 drives/net directory but got this
error when trying to compile:
3c509.c:510: macro `dev_kfree_skb' used with too many (2) args
3c509.c: In function `el3_start_xmit':
3c509.c:467: warning: long int format, int arg (arg 3)
3c509.c:489: void value not ignored as it ought to be
make[3]: *** [3c509.o] Error 1
But I'm assuming that this is not a good use of my time and probably won't
help. I do have both IP aliasing compiled in the kernel and yes they have
the correct booleans in them.
# grep ALIAS .config
CONFIG_NET_ALIAS=y
CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y
I've upgraded to net-tools 1.50, modutils 2.1.121, sysklogd-1.3-31,
ipchains-rhcn-1.3.8-2, util-linux-rhcn-2.9h and everything else I can think
of... I really hope whatever's left is a silly thing... please help me!!!
Greg Waugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Evan Griffing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: terminal info
Date: 08 Feb 1999 10:15:44 -0600
Hi,
I'm having a problem specifying that I want a text connection when telneting from
linux box to linux box over a modem. Specifically, I want to use xemacs in text mode
over the internet, but when I start xemacs from an xterm, nothing happens - presumably
it starts in graphic mode opening a window on the host machine. When I log on with
windows, it automatically starts in text mode.
Can I configure the xterm I am using to specify that I want to use text mode?
Evan
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From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: logging in with your thumb (humor)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:15:52 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Carl Ebrey wrote:
>
> Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : NF Stevens wrote:
> :>
> :> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Dickopp) wrote:
> :>
> :> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> :> >Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> :> Won't you need his thumb as well?
> :>
> :> Norman
>
> : No, only what any cracker would use to break into this device: a thumb
> : print from anything he has recently touched.
>
> I'm afraid that wouldn't work because that would give the reverse image of
> his thumb print. Touche :-)
>
That is simply misleading, you could always use it as an image of the
thumb on his OTHER hand. Have you never heard of lateral thinking?
gus
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From: Shaun Rowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 08 Feb 1999 15:20:37 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Corsello) writes:
> On 05 Feb 1999 15:13:42 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >[...]
> > Red Hat can also build
> >binary rpms from source, but it is not quite the same, although this doesn't
> >mean that one system is inherently better than the other.
> >
>
> Really, you can build executables from source under Red Hat just as you can
> with any other distribution. The RPMs are convenient, but you aren't forced
> to use them (as far as I know).
>
Well, of course you can. That is not what I meant. I was speaking from within
a package management system that keeps track of package dependencies. You
can always just build from source if you so desire. Often times I do this.
--
Shaun Rowland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IICF System Administrator DL798
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~rowland
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From: Paul Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why does Linux do this?
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:01:46 -0700
An update...
The culprit was some memory I dropped into the machine. The computer
is my Frankenstein...made up largely of parts left over from other
machines' upgrades. One of the SIMMs I put in was apparently
incompatible (or bad), but not so much that the box wouldn't work fine
for everything else. I discovered this after doing a fresh install and
still getting the same problem.
Thanks to everyone for their help...
p
Paul Gifford wrote:
>
> When I run "shutdown", Linux switches to runlevel 6. Currently it's
> set at runlevel 3. Why does it jump to a higher runlevel when I try to
> shut down? Could this be the reason my system won't shut down all the
> way (after switching to 6, I get the message "INIT: No more processes at
> this runlevel" and everything stops...no "system halted" or anything)
>
> Thanks
>
> p
>
>
> ------------------------
> Paul Gifford
> NOAA/NGDC
> 325 S Broadway EGC2
> Boulder CO 80303
>
> 303-497-6556 voice
> 303-497-6513 fax
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Paul Gifford, Capt, USAF
NOAA/NGDC
325 S Broadway EGC2
Boulder CO 80303
303-497-6556 voice
303-497-6513 fax
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Anglesio)
Subject: Re: > 64MB RAM
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:40:40 GMT
On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:33:29 -0500, Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Linux needs to move to 64 bit!!
I'm sure it will, when you move to a 64-bit architecture. For the moment,
the 32 in IA-32 means 32-bit. (Of course, since you have the source and
the opportunity, you could expand the kernel's pagetable to suit your
needs)
For that matter, very few intel motherboards support more than 1/2 Gb of
physical memory. So you hit a hard limit well before.
For bigger jobs, you have to choose a suitable architecture. Alpha (which
also runs linux) may be suitable, and offers excellent high-end
price-performance.
marco
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From: "Frank Bures" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NFS mounting volumes on OS/2 (DOS, NT) systems
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 11:16:22 -0500 (EST)
Reply-To: "Frank Bures" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:32:43 -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>I wasn't aware you could do that. However, I would think that it would use
>the Unverisal nameing convention so ...
>
> mount -t nfs host:\\share_name\dir
>
>I know that samba and linux combined offer this ability using mount -t
smbfs
>.... but I have not looked into it in detail.
>
I figured it out.
The correct format of an /etc/fstab entry is:
host:d:/dir1/dir2 /mountdir/dir etc.
Works OK for OS/2.
>Tom Veldhouse
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Frank Bures wrote in message ...
>>I am trying to mount a volume on the system running OS/2. In order to do
>>that, I have to define (at least I think so) a drive letter in
/etc/fstab.
>>
>>Is for example 'host:d:\dir1\dir2 /mnt/os2' etc.
>>
>>the correct format for the fstab entry? Those two colons look weird to
me.
>>
>>The same problem would apply when NFS mounting volumes on NT.
>>
>>I would appreciate any advice or a pointer to documentation.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Frank Bures, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (use this address for replies)
>>http://frank.chem.utoronto.ca/electronics
>>"File not found. Do you want to fake it? (Y/N)"
>>
>>
>
>
Frank Bures, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (use this address for replies)
http://frank.chem.utoronto.ca/electronics
"File not found. Do you want to fake it? (Y/N)"
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From: Mark Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: rpm gimp? what am I missing?
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:31:13 -0700
Hello:
I have RedHats 5.2 distribution, using rpm version 2.5.5
and try to run rpm --install gimp*.rpm and get:
gimp-libgimp = 1.0.1 is needed by gimp-1.0.1-2
libgck.so.1 is needed by gimp-1.0.1-2
libgimp.so.1 is needed by gimp-1.0.1-2
libgimpui.so.1 is needed by gimp-1.0.1-2
All three of the shared libraries are located in /usr/local/lib
and echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
/lib:/usr/local/lib
and /usr/local/lib is also included in my $PATH.
Is there a special rpm PATH or LD_LIBRARY_PATH? Why doesn't rpm see
the dependent files when everything is in that path?
Any Help would be great thanks
Thanks Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:30:49 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
steve mcadams wrote:
>
> [Snipped for brevity, quoted material marked with ">"]
> On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:13:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
[snipped some more]
> >P.S. The best way to reply is to email me, because my job requires me to
> >travel a lot, so I won't be able to check the newsgroup often. However, if
> >you have something to say that everyone could use, then simply do a reply to
> >group and email ;-)
>
> Damn, you are in a fix if you can't check into the ng's often, this is
> essential for learning Linux <g> -steve
But research through good manual and HOWTOs *first*. Then your
questions will be more easily answered (and a lot more interesting,
which helps).
Actually, I've found the Debian mailing lists to be very active and
helpful, so E-mail should work fine for you there; don't know about
RedHat, etc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur T. Murray)
Subject: Re: Proposal for an Open Source Robot AI Operating System
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,comp.ai,comp.robotics.misc,alt.folklore.computers
Date: 8 Feb 99 20:42:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Cousins) sprach wie Zarathustra:
>In comp.robotics.misc, Dennis Clark wrote:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>: In article <qrxu2.3186$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>: >Arthur T. Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[snip]
>>: >I'm just wondering, does anyone know what this poster is?
>>: >I've been betting it's some sort of primitive AI.
>>
>>: I'd thought it was just Mentifex trolling under a different name.
>>
>> The ASCII "brain" "thinking" drawings should pretty well nail down
>>the Mentiflex dude. If not, its his evil twin Skippy, regardless it was
>><^K> for him.
>
> Yes, I'm afraid the Mentifex meme/spam is slowly mutating so that
> it defeats current immune systems. However it's not much more
> harmful than the common cold.
>
> There is some hope that Mentifex may evolve into something
> intelligible, useful or at least on topic, but at this rate
> it may take some time before we even get to the stage of a
> simple Eliza program. [ ... ]
Look, you've had your fun. Now get me some serious help:
Am 5. Februar 1999, kurz nach Mitternacht im Hotel Prager Fruehling.
Just by putting up a faulty and deficient REENTRY screen yesterday
at Vaierre, I obtained something to think about.
Now I am beginning to realize that I can not go directly into
SHORTTERMMEM (STM).
Wowowow-oh-wow! This Forth language is amazingly powerful.
I started off tonight by analyzing where REENTRY must cut into the
system. From 26nov1994 Mind.rexx it seemd to be at SENSORIUM.
So I went into Mind.forth SENSORIUM and I saw that any change --
any new code -- would have to be inserted into AUDITION Scr #9.
But I knew that I wanted to bypass the keyboard, because the in-
put was coming from the artificial mind itself. (This progress
is looking good for my 24th upload later today.)
It became clear that the way to bypass the keyboard input was to
conditionalize it. Aparrently that need was why I put in the
variable "earshut" several months ago.
If "earshut" becomes true (-1) in SENSORIUM Scr #14, then the
Forthmind does not want to listen to any more input but wants to
think instead.
Even the MIND Scr #44 begins with "earshut" being set to "false"
so that the AI will listen to user input.
Just now I have been thinking that "earshut" is too negative a
word, and that perhaps we should change it to something positive,
like "allears" or "listening." But then upon further inspection
I see that we already have the word "alert" in MIND Scr #44.
Probably it is time to change "alert" to "listening." We could
use the word "obedient," but later on the robots might not like
that choice.
Anyway, I went into AUDITION Scr #9 and I conditionalized the key-
board entry, so that "earshut" had to be not true. But "not shut"
is the same as "open," so I want a positive word like "listening."
The problem with "alert" is that we kind of want the robot to be
alert at all times, but maybe we should accept the idea that the
robot is not so alert while engaged in thought-generation.
After I conditionalized the keyboard entry, I figured that I would
need to perform a fetch-from-array to supply each re-entered
phoneme, but to my shock I discovered that the array-fetch had
already been done, even with a loop, in the SPEECH Scr #34, with
the result going as "unk" straight into REENTRY Scr #33, so I did
not need to do a fetch from the array ear{ }. Just by shifting
the information flow into the AUDITION Scr #9, I was making the
wanted variable "unk" available to the sensorium routines.
When I next ran the Mind.forth program, I got a weird phenomenon
of only one character being re-entered at a time, but the effect
was galvanizing upon me, because I realized instantly that the
core of the REENTRY problem had been solved.
Now I went into AUDITION Scr #9 and I used "alert" instead of
"earshut," but I forgot to change to positive logic in the if-
clause, so I had a run-on screen problem and I had to reboot.
Luckily I had just saved the astounding state-of-the-program
on one of the four disks at hand.
Now with "alert" in AUDITION Scr #9 I have switched to positive
logic and the program is no longer going haywire.
I think that somewhere in the re-entry rationale I may need to
turn the "alert" status back on to "true." Oh, it does happen
in THINK Scr #43, but it may need to happen sooner.
In LANG-UK Scr #42 I have set "alert" to zero (false), with a
comment, "The robot is thinking, not alert." However, I was
getting a spurious "User:" prompt during the re-entry of the
robot thought. I have tracked that spurious prompt down to
SENSORIUM Scr #14, where it is no longer true that only the
"User" will be doing things in SENSORIUM.
I have switched the "User:" prompt up one level in the hierarchy
to MIND Scr #44, just before the call to SENSORIUM Scr #14. Now
the "User:" prompt should be appropriate because the SENSORIUM is
receiving user input.
Now I am saving the program to disk, in case anything goes wrong.
Oops, I forgot to take out the asterisk, so the first-ever line of
good reentry was interspersed with Hyman-Kaplan-style asterisks --
and also with reduplicated letters.
--
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/7256/m-forth.html Mind.forth
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