Linux-Misc Digest #971, Volume #18 Wed, 10 Feb 99 03:13:12 EST
Contents:
netscape for Alpha Linux (Yon Han CHONG)
Re: xterm or text console? how can program find out? (Arthur Corliss)
Re: MS SQL Server Drivers (Paul Wickham)
Re: ide tape with taper? (Tom Fawcett)
Re: Linux and the K6-2, any problems? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: partition to partition copy? (Leslie Mikesell)
running gs as a non-root user (root)
Re: LILO password in Mandrake (DaZZa)
Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: interesting web page against LINUX (Mircea)
Re: ***** Moving Linux to a new hard disk (Michael Meissner)
Re: Sendmail Problem (Mario Moder)
Re: Simple but sweet. a.out is not my friend (Tommy Willoughby)
Re: Lilo: 3 Systems cause trouble? (Steve Limkemann)
Installing New Libraries (AdmFrodos)
Re: Q: How do I stop a 4:02 AM scheduled mystery process? (Joel Shellman)
errors reading and writing to fujitsu mo (Pas Moi)
Re: CMI8330 Howto (Hans Wolters)
max limits (Kevin Johnson)
file system corruption (Xu Chun)
Help, ISP setup! (William Gross)
glibc2.1 and egcs1.1.1 problem (Ludger Solbach)
Re: Microsoft Linux 1.0 ("Clive")
Re: rtl8139 NIC and kernel 2.2.1 (User)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (David Masterson)
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From: Yon Han CHONG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: netscape for Alpha Linux
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:24:01 +0100
Is there a netscape for Alpha Linux? If there is where can I find it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Corliss)
Subject: Re: xterm or text console? how can program find out?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9 Feb 1999 20:49:53 -0900
On 9 Feb 1999 14:03:58 GMT, T.E.Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Allen Ashley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "Norm Dresner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>>Why should you want to know? What difference would it make?
>>> Norm
>
>> Well, for one thing, the key bindings are different.
>
>that's a different issue (your terminal description tracks that).
One could check the TERM environment variable, since in xterm, it is typically
'xterm'. The console, of course, would be something like 'linux' or 'vt100',
and so on.
--Arthur Corliss
Bolverk's Lair -- http://www.odinicfoundation.org/arthur/
"Live Free or Die, the Only Way to Live" -- NH State Motto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Wickham)
Subject: Re: MS SQL Server Drivers
Date: 9 Feb 1999 15:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:02:18 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Are there SQL Driver for MS Sql Server? We have a SQLServer Database that I
>want to make a front end for on our Linux web server.
>
If you are using perl on your web server, I believe that people have had
results using the perl Sybase DBI. If not, you could use the ODBC drivers from
openlink software (www.openlinksw.com)...(Not sure how they tie in though)
HTH
Paul
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ide tape with taper?
Date: 09 Feb 1999 08:59:48 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I'm in the same boat as you. I've got RH 5.2 (2.0.36) with hdd <-> ht0
> detecting the HP Colorado 5Gb drive, but ide-tape seems to choak as follows:
> *** Unsupported command in request queue
> *** Block device should not be used for data transfer
> *** Use the character device interfaces
> *** /dev/ht0 and /dev/nht0 instead
> *** (Run linux/scripts/MAKEDEV.ide to create them)
> *** Aborting request...
>
> Sure would like to get this working, but understand if it's not compatible.
> Could you let me know if anyone has this drive working? Thanks. :)
I have a Sony SuperStation. After many tries I haven't been able to get it
to work using either the native ide-tape driver or SCSI emulation. I'm
junking it.
I guess the two IDE tape drives listed in the Hardware Compatibility HOWTO
are the only ones really supported.
-Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and the K6-2, any problems?
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:36:44 GMT
Just before high-siding, Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> shrieked:
: No, I mean I can enable it, and can select "Poweroff on Halt", but
: then I get an oops when it tries to poweroff. This isn't just me, if
: you do a quick dejanews search (as I did originally), you'll find a
: number of other people saying the same: poweroff doesn't seem to work
: on VIA MVP3 based Super-7 motherboards.
I have a TX-based mobo, running the original K6, and while win95 will
occasionally poweroff the machine on shutdown (it prefers to GPF),
linux simply doesn't: no error messages, nothing, just "System Halted."
--
"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a
failure as a human being."
--Jerry Falwell
patowic jurai net DoD #WildCard 1989 VTR250
BNASPAM #3 PH #3 gb4532 1971 CL350
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: partition to partition copy?
Date: 10 Feb 1999 00:04:11 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What's the best tool to use to copy a partition?
>
>I have my Linux root partition set up as a 1G primary, and I have a 1G
>extended partition on another drive that I want to use for a backup of
>the root partition. Norton Ghost will copy the primary into the
>extended, but doesn't want to copy the extended back to the primary.
>Besides, I'd rather use a native tool. tia. -steve
'Cp -a' works fine, or you could use 'cpio -p' or
pipelines of tar/tar or dump/restore. 'Rsync' from
http://rsync.samba.org/ is good for keeping the backup
copy up to date in a minimum amount of time.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: running gs as a non-root user
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.postscript,alt.os.linux
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:24:57 GMT
Organization:
Summary:
Keywords:
Followup-To: Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Does anyone know how I can run gs without being root?
Whenever a non-root user tries to execute gs, the
message is:
svgalib: cannot get I/O permissions
I tried compiling a new version of svgalib, and that didn't
work. Is it simply a matter of changing the permissions for
some program or device, or is there another solution?
Gary Krupa
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From: DaZZa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: LILO password in Mandrake
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:40:51 +1100
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Greg Searle wrote:
> My first time using Linux. I installed Mandrake and get where I'm asked for
> my login and password. During setup I remember giving a password, but never
> a login. Probably a dumb question, but how are you supposed to login? I
> can't figure this one out. Help me if you can please. Thanks,
The login name to match your password is
root
DaZZa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:40:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Timothy J. Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Does an "i430TX" motherboard support a 300 MHz K6-2 processor and
: 128 MB of RAM?
Well, it won't cache the 2nd 64MB of RAM, since it doesn't have enough tagram,
but if it has the proper voltage settings, it should do the K6-2 (my TX board
doesn't have the proper voltage settings).
--
patowic jurai net
Cabal Obsidian Order # i. Cabal #e. TINC.
"Do you expect me to talk?"
"No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to _die_."
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: interesting web page against LINUX
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:39:53 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Indeed, it's a page worth seeing :(
Hint for mr.Martin: if you can type "config", then you can
add SMP to any kernel, too.
1/4 of his paper is a complaint about how RH 5.2 doesn't
have SMP support out-of-the-box. The language isn't an
issue, he claims to be "perfect bilingual french-english" in
his CV.
MST
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This day, i read an article written by Mr Daniel Martin in a magazine
> dedicated to computers.
>
> Mr Martin was with no doubt against the use of Linux by companies.
> As i wanted to know more about his free afirmations , i decided to surf on his
> web pages.
>
> I think he is not impartial and i advise other people who trust in Linux power
> to look at Matin's pages [ http://worldserver2.oleane.com/dmartin/linux.htm ].
>
> L. Guichard
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: Michael Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ***** Moving Linux to a new hard disk
Date: 09 Feb 1999 12:04:17 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Something like this should work well:
>
> After creating the partitions you want, mount them in /mnt (ie, mount
> the new hd's root as /mnt, the new hd's /usr as /mnt/usr, etc).
>
> Then, do as root:
>
> cd /
> find . | grep -v /mnt | grep -v /proc | cpio -pdmu /mnt
Even better, do:
cd /
find . -xdev -depth -print | cpio -pdum /mnt
The -xdev option says to not descend in any directory that is a mount point
(ie, /proc, /dev/pts if you have the new glibc, user/nfs disks, etc.). The
-depth option says to print the files in a directory before printing the
directory itself, which can help in cases where the directory is read-only for
everybody. The -print option is not needed for gnu find, but is useful to use
in case you find yourself on a Sun system someday.
--
Michael Meissner, Cygnus Solutions (Massachusetts office)
4th floor, 955 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 617-354-5416 (office), 617-354-7161 (fax)
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From: Mario Moder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sendmail Problem
Date: 9 Feb 1999 17:55:44 GMT
Hugues Demers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> because I've no network at home (I'm using redhat 5.0 on my
> personal computer). Vega is just a hostname I gave to my computer. Note
So why do you use sendmail? I have the same situation here (e.g. no
network) and i installed qmail (http://www.qmail.org/). And there is a
nice manual how to configure your qmail with readdressing outgoing email
(for an ISP) ...
Greetings,
Mario
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From: Tommy Willoughby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simple but sweet. a.out is not my friend
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:55:16 GMT
josh richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have compiled a c program using the gcc compiler in red hat 5.2. After
> the compilation is complete, I have an executable created called a.out. I
> type a.out to run the program and get the following error
> "bash - command a.out not found"
Do you type: a.out or: ./a.out?
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From: Steve Limkemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo: 3 Systems cause trouble?
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:56:06 GMT
Eric Wick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i've just configured the Lilo for 3 primary Partitions.
> 1. IBM-Dos7
> 2. Win95
> 3. Debian2.0
> The Linux starts already well but the 2 Oldies makes trouble. Lilo switch the
> bootable OS to C: and the other to D: but the Bootloader seems to resist in the
> MBR and not the Partitionsector. So only the System with the last "sys c:" from
> a System-Bootdisk will work, the other says "No system".
You need to hide the DOS or Win95 partition when booting the other OS
See http://www.wwnet.com/~stevelim/booting.html for instructions on
getting LILO to do that for you automatically. The bugs described on
the page have been fixed in Version 21.
--
Steve Limkemann :: A microsecond here and a microsecond there, and
Westland, Michigan :: before you know it, you're talking real-time.
USA, North America ::
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AdmFrodos)
Subject: Installing New Libraries
Date: 9 Feb 1999 17:26:08 GMT
Can someone point me to information on, or explain quickly how to install some
new libraries from 3.6 into my current system running 3.2? A 'make' I am
running is not finding a couple of them, although they exist. The path names
are also included in etc/ld.so.conf
Thanks!
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:00:15 +0000
From: Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Q: How do I stop a 4:02 AM scheduled mystery process?
Seth Van Oort wrote:
> 4:02am is when daily cron jobs get run. Look in /etc/cron.daily.
> updatedb is probably the big one.
>
> > 1. How can I track down which script, process,
> > or daemon is spawning this process at 4:02 AM?? I checked
> > the spool/cron/ directory and it's empty. My only other guess
> > is that it's a daemon.
I'll second that. Our server was dying at about that time
each morning and I found that updatedb in the
/etc/cron.daily directory. I seriously considered emailing a
nasty message to RedHat (do other distributions do that?).
Why on earth do I want a process that searches through every
single file on my machine to run every day! We had hundreds
of thousands of files on that machine (perhaps more--I have
no idea how many). Anyway, I removed it and it stopped
dying.
--
Joel Shellman
knOcean Interactive Corporation
http://corp.knOcean.com/
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From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: errors reading and writing to fujitsu mo
Date: 08 Feb 1999 18:11:53 -0500
i have a fujitsu mo drive (external scsi connected to an adaptec 1460
pcmcia scsi adapter) that i'm trying to use for storage and backups.
unfortunately, i'm finding that as it is now, the thing is just not
reliable enough for either purpose. for example, when i untar
something in an mo disc's file system, tar usually quits with errors.
trying to get a table of contents file from a tar or afio archive on
an mo disc usually hangs the machine, as does trying to fsck one of
these things after an error. i'm running 2.0.36 with the 2048 block
size patch, but i'm running into the same problem with the old 230 mb
discs. i'm also getting messages like this in my syslog:
Feb 5 20:48:31 bootsy kernel: EXT2-fs error (device 08:00): ext2_free_blocks: Freeing
blocks not in datazone - block = 267780096, count = 1
Feb 5 20:48:31 bootsy kernel: EXT2-fs error (device 08:00): ext2_free_blocks: Freeing
blocks not in datazone - block = 267845632, count = 1
Feb 5 20:48:31 bootsy kernel: EXT2-fs error (device 08:00): ext2_free_blocks: Freeing
blocks not in datazone - block = 267911168, count = 1
any suggestions?
thanks in advance,
g.y.
--
Guy Yasko -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [remove noise]
Are the STEWED PRUNES still in the HAIR DRYER?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Wolters)
Subject: Re: CMI8330 Howto
Date: 9 Feb 1999 18:06:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mike Plemmons wrote:
:I have searched Dejanews and have come up with nothing. Can someone tell
:me where I can get the CMI8330 Howto?
You won't find anything. It uses a soundpro chip wich is not compatible with
even the 2.2.1 kernel. If you want to get the most out of it then you will
have to use the 4front (opensound) drivers.
Regards Hans Wolters
--
Java Search Engine Front End
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/
Linux Links
http://home.gelrevision.nl/~h.wolter/linux.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Johnson)
Subject: max limits
Date: 9 Feb 1999 17:26:53 GMT
Hi. I'm currently looking at putting together a Linux virtual machine
(using MPI or PVM) probably with 8 nodes running on Alpha processors.
Could someone please point me in the right direction as for limits
on such a machine? Specifically, what is the maximum amount of memory
per processor? What is the maximum file size? What is the maximum
executable size that can be loaded into memory? Any advice on running
Linux on Alpha machines? Thank you very much.
Kevin
--
Kevin Johnson University of Texas
Systems Analyst Institute for Geophysics
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From: Xu Chun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: file system corruption
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:17:25 -0500
Hi,
I am experiencing some difficulties in booting my system after some
mistakes
I made. My computer runs Linux Slackware 2.0.25 and windows95, booted with
LILO. Recently I install a new disk and used setup tried to incorporated
this
new disk. It crushed during the setup and my filesystem seems to have
problem
ever since. I cannot boot my linux, even with floppy disk. The booting
process
stops everytime when it checks file system. I got error messages like
"file system corruption" and then "kernel panic"...and the system dies.
Can anyone help me to solve this problem?
Thanks,
Chun
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From: William Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.protocols.ppp,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Help, ISP setup!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:25:54 -0600
Hello,
I need some help, please. I am running RedHat 5.2 on a a clone pc,
and I am trying to connect to my ISP which is called Integrity Online.
The problem is that they have a firewall, and I have never set Linux up
to deal with a firewall before. I can successfully connect to my ISP,
it assigns me a dynamic ip address, as usual. The problem is I cannot
get out to the internet. Netscape tells me something like it cannot
find the proxy server that I have set up in it even though I know that
the proxy name is correct, it is the same info I use in NT 4.0 and Win95
and they connect and cruise fine. I have pinged the firewall from my NT
and Win95 connections and have put the corresponding ip number in my
hosts file in order for their to be a dns resolution on my end. If I
did not, Netscape complains that "proxy.iolusa.com is unknown" and will
not let me continue to configure it. If I try to ping the firewall or
any valid internet address from my Linux connection, I get the error
from ping that the network is unreachable. The protocol that I am using
is tcp-ip, of course. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have
banged my head against this for awhile and have not gotten anywhere.
Thanks in advance.
Leroy
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From: Ludger Solbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: glibc2.1 and egcs1.1.1 problem
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:50:40 +0100
Hello folks!
I have a problem installing glibc 2.1 with egcs 1.1.1.
I thought it would be time to get my old libc 5 based SuSE 5.0
installation up
to date, so I compiled the most recent binutils and egcs 1.1.1.
After that I downloaded the new glibc 2.1, configured it and compiled
it.
The compilation process took some time but all went well.
The problems occured, when I made 'make install'.
Make reported errors in some important include files ;(
As far as I can tell, everything important was installed by then and the
system
is still working properly, but I can't compile a thing, because I can't
include
libio.h.
Some information about my system:
kernel 2.0.36
compiler egcs 1.1.1
binutils 2.9.1.0.19a
libc 5
kernel includes used for glibc compilation: 2.2.1
Here is the relevant part of the 'make check' output:
make -C stdlib tests
make[2]: Entering directory `/sda5/glibc-2.1/stdlib'
cd /sda5/glibc-2.1-build/stdlib && gcc -include ../config.h
/sda5/glibc-2.1/stdlib/isomac.c -o isomac
In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:57,
from /sda5/glibc-2.1/stdlib/isomac.c:74:
/usr/include/libio.h:335: parse error before `_IO_seekoff'
/usr/include/libio.h:335: parse error before `_G_off64_t'
/usr/include/libio.h:335: warning: data definition has no type or
storage class
/usr/include/libio.h:336: parse error before `_IO_seekpos'
/usr/include/libio.h:336: parse error before `_G_fpos64_t'
/usr/include/libio.h:336: warning: data definition has no type or
storage class
In file included from /sda5/glibc-2.1/stdlib/isomac.c:74:
/usr/include/stdio.h:66: parse error before `fpos64_t'
/usr/include/stdio.h:66: warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
In file included from /sda5/glibc-2.1/stdlib/isomac.c:74:
/usr/include/stdio.h:66: parse error before `fpos64_t'
/usr/include/stdio.h:66: warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
In file included from /sda5/glibc-2.1/stdlib/isomac.c:74:
/usr/include/stdio.h:527: parse error before `fpos64_t'
/usr/include/stdio.h:528: parse error before `*'
make[2]: *** [/sda5/glibc-2.1-build/stdlib/isomac] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/sda5/glibc-2.1/stdlib'
make[1]: *** [stdlib/tests] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/sda5/glibc-2.1'
make: *** [check] Error 2
Any suggestions?
Bye,
soulman
--
Ludger Solbach Phone: +49 5251 640070
Grimmestra�e 5 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
D-33098 Paderborn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Germany http://home.pages.de/~soulman/
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Reply-To: "Clive" <clive[AT]thevortex.com>
From: "Clive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux 1.0
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:55:32 -0000
Whats to stop them ?
Steve Salgo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Kinda scary, huh?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (User)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: rtl8139 NIC and kernel 2.2.1
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 01:26:30 GMT
Hi
I'm also using an rtl8139 chipset for my nic as well.
this is what I did:
- compile the source (instructions should be on the bottom of the
source file)
- edit the rc.local file under /etc/rc.d (red hat - dunno for other
distributions of linux)
- add these lines
insmod rtl8139.o
ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx etc.
route add -net yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy etc.
where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is your internal network
and yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy is your network address.
Hope that helps.
On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:20:11 -0600, John Thompson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm trying to compile kernel v2.2.1 but have run into a
>problem in that I cannot select my rtl8139-based NIC. The
>option appears but is "greyed-out" and cannot be selected
>(using "make xconfig;" it does not even appear as an option
>using "make config" or "make menuconfig"). The source is
>present (/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/rtl8139.c) but there
>appears to be no easy way to include it when compiling. Is
>there a work-around?
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From: David Masterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:44:41 -0800
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
> (Art VanDelay) writes:
>
> > This doesn't make any sense. I like the OS/Browser integration.
> > There is no "definition" of an OS, and if you leave it up to the
> > Government, there will be some stupid definition which will stifle
> > further progress in PCs. What is Windows 3.1,95/98/NT, but a bunch of
> > programs that together make the OS. Why don't the calculator
> > manufacturers cry about competition, or WinFax people, or e-mail
> > people, or CD-Player people, or game manufacturers, cause you know, MS
> > is using its muscle to put solitare, and pinball, or freecell in the
> > OS, which has no business being there, right? I'll give you the
> > answer, the other companies (right now) are COMPETING in the free
> > market instead of the Jim Barksdales of the world using the US
> > Government for personal gain (or to mask his incompetance to the
> > shareholders of his now-AOL-owned company). The US Gov doesn't know
> > how to do anything right except to screw things up and exploit class
> > envy, and enslave us with confiscatory taxes, they are damn experts at
> > that. Now they will dictate computer Operating System Standards for
> > us to follow, Thanks Jim!
>
> You make some pretty good points, but I think your target is off-
> center a bit. The US government is not trying to define 'what' an OS
> is, but whether or not Microsoft's immense OS power is allowing it to
> hedge other markets.
>
> If the Internet Explorer is so much better than Netscape and Microsoft
> is really "COMPETING in the free market" then why didn't they compete
> toe-to-toe with Netscape instead of "integrating" it into Windows? It
> seems to be conveniently coincidental that the OS needed an internet
> browser right when IE was at a fraction of the marketshare it enjoys
> today. The obvious answer to this question is that Microsoft
> integrated Windows into it's OS to strangle Netscape -- not very fair
> play, now is it.
Your second paragraph here goes against your first. It would have been
perfectly fine for Microsoft to integrate their browser into the OS *IF*
Netscape had just as much ability to integrate their browser into the
OS. Integration of the browser into the OS is a perfectly fine idea,
but, due to technological issues, only one browser could be integrated
into the OS. Therefore, doing this would probably (95%+) wipe out the
independent browser market.
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David Masterson
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