Linux-Misc Digest #37, Volume #19 Sun, 14 Feb 99 22:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Ghostscript shifting my printouts ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Feasible LILO config? (Klaus Bernpaintner)
Re: Minicom: Slow Behavior ("David A. Frantz")
Re: FreeBSD vs RedHat (Stephen E. Halpin)
Re: good kernel 2.2.1 upgrade FAQ ? ("David A. Frantz")
Re: good book for beginner? (Thomas Jespersen)
Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem (Eric Turner)
Newbie Problem with ./configure (Shadowspawn)
Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem (Stephe)
Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated? ("Mike")
Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem (Mircea)
Re: Can't defrag disk - is this normal? (Stephe)
Re: one thing that sux about Linux.... (Gregory Propf)
Re: ATI 3D Rage IIc - Getting on my tits! (Bill Unruh)
querying RPM's on remote servers (Steve Sanyal)
Re: ATI 3D Rage IIc - Getting on my tits! (Bill Unruh)
Development Tool, Project, CASE Tool (Steve)
Re: good book for beginner? (Stephe)
Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad? (David Taylor)
Re: My modem won't work. Please help! (Robert Heller)
Re: Newbie Problem with ./configure (John Garrison)
Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FreeBSD / Linux project ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How do I know which window manager I am using? (chad foxglove)
Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ghostscript shifting my printouts
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:32:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith) wrote:
> Taylor Sutherland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : I use RH5.2 and its standard printtool. Before I used SuSE 5.3 and
> : apsfilter that came with it. Both (now) do a fine job of printing on
> : my BJC-250 with the bjc600 driver. BUT...
>
> : In SuSE, printing was perfectly aligned. With RedHat, all my
> : postscript printings (using the bjc600 driver) are shifted to the left
> : by about 1/3 inch. Other than making my word processors default to
> : shift the page, is there anything I can do? I hesitate to install
>
> In Red Hat's "printtool", there is a pair of fields where you can specify
> the left/right and top/bottom page offsets.
>
> Open up the print tool, select a printer from the list, click the EDIT
> button, then click the SELECT button. On the dialog that pops up from
> there you get a number of choices, including the offset fields.
>
Adjusting the margins (the only option available with the BJC600 driver) has
no affect. (lpd was killed and restarted or just restarted each time)
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From: Klaus Bernpaintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Feasible LILO config?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:32:13 -0500
I have an IDE drive and a SCSI drive. The IDE has NT on it, the SCSI has Linux.
Ever since Linux installation I have used a boot disk to boot Linux, but now I
want to boot directly from the hard drive.
Is this even possible with my current configuration?
I mean, if I keep the kernel and root on the SCSI, will LILO find them?
I don't want to touch the NT bootsector so I want to use the scheme outlined in
http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html
In my attempts so far, during boot time the system panics and says "VFS: Cannot
open root device 08:06"
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From: "David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Minicom: Slow Behavior
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:43:37 -0500
G.
Make sure your serila port is set up correctly esp. the interrupts and
addresses.
dave
Guillermo Maduro-Vazquez wrote in message ...
>In my attempts to connect to my ISP via PPP, I am currently trying to use
>minicom to see the appropriate send/receive entries. So far, I noticed it
is
>not "login:" but "Username:" ....
>
>
>Minicom, however, is behaving strangely. It takes very long to complete the
>modem's initialization string (it sort of pauses-goes-pauses-goes..., with
>the "pauses" lasting 10-15 seconds). The behavior can be observed as soon
as
>minicom is executed and as the init string runs (or rather, strolls!); even
>when I type, the delays hold up the screen output.
>
>Surprisingly, I am still able to dial in, but the pauses are too long and I
>am unable to input my username & password. Even scripting my user info does
>not work; apparently, the slow behavior (or its underlying cause) cause the
>ISP to return a " % " right after "Username:", with a final "Timed out"
>message. My hardware seems to be appropriate (Pentium 133MHz, 32MB RAM,
33.6
>non-Winmodem). The only hint from other users with the same issue is that
>the minicom installation might not be 100% correct (a missing or misplaced
>file is being looked up by minicom, causing the slow client interaction).
>
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen E. Halpin)
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs RedHat
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:41:57 GMT
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:44:21 -0500, Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>James Youngman wrote:
>>
>> I tend to use the one I'm familiar with, which in this case is Linux.
>> I ran FreeBSD on my second machine up until a week ago, when I
>> replaced it with the Hurd. I think I'll switch the second machine
>> back when I have the time.
>>
>
>
>So, what is up with HURD?
>
>Is it just a different kernel? But everything else looks like Linux?
An odd comment, as Linux is just a kernel and everything else looks
like a hash of other *NIX systems, including the GNU system as
defined in the GNU Manifesto, as most (all?) distributions include
GNU tools.
As for the kernel, the GNU Manifesto (copyright 1985, long before
Linux) mentioned that a kernel did exist even at that time. Why
it has taken the FSF so long to actually release one has been the
subject of much speculation, and indeed Linux may never have been
written had the FSF released a kernel in the 1980s. What place
the HURD takes in history will depend on its being able to offer
tangable features which are not available with the various Linux
and BSD distributions. Given the lack of success of microkernels
in the general purpose arena (I believe Windows NT was the only
commercially available general purpose microkernel operating system,
noting that NeXT and Digital used MACH 2.5 as the basis for their OSs,
and even Microsoft been moving functionality back into the NT kernel
proper) I am curious as to what the HURD will bring to the "average
user" in this regard.
>-Ben.
-Steve
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From: "David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: good kernel 2.2.1 upgrade FAQ ?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:51:11 -0500
Try www.linuxhq.com/change22.html.
This page helped me a great deal, it is very nicely laid out.
dave
A.G. wrote in message ...
>Can smbd point me to the subj.?
>
>Thanx
>
>Arcady
>
>
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From: Thomas Jespersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: good book for beginner?
Date: 14 Feb 1999 07:38:30 +0100
"Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can someone please recommend some good books for a Linux newbie? I've read
> a lot of good reviews about "Running Linux" by ORA. Are there any other
> good beginner books which are more recent?
Yes, get running linux first, when you are running linux on your
system, look in the /usr/doc directory, and read the faqs and how-to
documents, also download some of the books from LDP:
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/
O'Reilly, who published "Running Linux", generally make very good
books (in fact, I never regrettet buying a O'reilly book, and I got
plenty now!) :
http://linux.ora.com/
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From: Eric Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:53:11 -0800
I'm running Slackware and have had the same problem. There are
commercial drivers for the Ensonic Audio PCI (available from OSS). I
tried the demo driver and it work great, but I'd rather not pay for a
friggin DRIVER! A while back I heard there was supposed to be support in
the 2.2.x kernels, but I haven't had the time to check into it since the
new release...
Eric
Mark Smith wrote:
>
> Anyone out there able to get Red Hat 5.2 to recognize your Ensonic Audio PCI
> card? Even though there are no specific drivers to support this (it IS
> Soundblaster compatible) the kernel doesn't even recognize a sound device at
> boot-time.
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From: Shadowspawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Newbie Problem with ./configure
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:01:04 GMT
When trying to run ./configure I get the following messagel
oading cache ./config.cache
checking for a BSD compatable install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... missing
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
cannot create executables.
I have the latest gcc installed on redhat 5.2, kernel 2.0.36, latest x
windows, and kde 1.1
any help would be greatly appreciated. BTW this problem is not program
specific any program I try has the same problem.
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From: Stephe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:36:03 -0500
Jeremiah wrote:
>
> BoogerLord wrote:
>
> > I ran sndconfig from root & it auto-detected the
> > Ensoniq Audio PCI w/no input from me- I did the
> > Creative Labs upgrade on the card (from Ensoniq's
> > old site) before I ever loaded Linux, don't know if that
> > would make a difference...
>
> I didn't do the upgrade (hadn't even heard about it 'til now),
> but sndconfig auto-detected my Ensoniq (1370) with no problems.
> It played the sample fine too... it's just that the drivers with
> RH 5.2 suck... :(
>
I agree. I went sound card shopping today. Got a shuttle PCI with
this 1370 chip and a generic ISA card with the crystal CS4232
chip and tried both. The 1370 chip sounded REAL bad while the
card with the crystal CS4232 chip sounds great! Have no idea if
linux just doesn't like PCI sound cards or if the driver for this
chip is just lame.. Lucky I can return the shuttle card and the
generic one was only $10!!! Both plug and played fine..
--
Stephe
Having fun with Linux!
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Why is X video setup for i386 so complicated?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:03:51 -0500
I agree 110%. I am also very new to Linux and have found it very difficult
compared to other operating systems that I have worked on before and I would
take an IRQ conflict with my sound card and network adapter any day to the
frustration I've had in setting up X let alone getting any good help from
these newsgroups.
Good Luck,
Mike
Frank McKenney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7a77bc$9us$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>I'm fairly new to Linux, so I've only been through the pain and anguish
>of X video setup three times so far, all with SuSe's SaX utility. What
>I've been through seems unnecessarily complicated compared to what is
>required to install DOS, OS/2, or MSWinXX on the same hardware.
>
>I've seen a number of postings from other users who have encountered
>similar problems, so apparently I'm not the only one who's had
>difficulty with this process.
>
>My test/development machine (AMD 486DX4-100, 32Mb RAM, Cirrus 5434 ISA
>video) has MSWin95, Warp 4, Warp Server 5, and SuSE 5.3 installed on it.
>The first three of these were able to autodetect the video hardware
>correctly at installation, but after several days of trying to make the
>Linux X SVGA server work correctly SaX and xvidtune) I've still been
>unable to come up with settings that produce an X desktop which is (a)
>reasonably large, (b) single (not multiple), (c) centered, and (d)
>doesn't show retrace jam-up on the trailing edge of the display area.
>
>Why is this process so difficult?
>
>DOS programs which use better-than-VGA modes (e.g. FractInt) seem to
>able to display a nice, clean screen without having to know what the
>monitor's HSync and VSync and the adapter's dot clock values, and
>MSWinXX and OS/2 seem to be able to set up theis video support
>correctly. OS/2 for example, uses a DOS program named SVGA.EXE to
>create a control file with information about the various available video
>modes. A sample of this file for my adapter is appended for those
>interested in such things.
>
>At the same time, given the complexity of Linux, I have to believe that
>those involved in maintaining and extending it have a fair degree of
>technical expertise. It's hard for me to believe that the video setup
>portion of Linux would be any more complicated than its developers felt
>was necessary.
>
>So, my question: what is it about Linux installation and/or operation
>that forces users to go through a complex and (from my experience)
>highly error-prone process to accomplish what is being done elsewhere
>much more easily? Why is it that those approaches which work for
>MSWinXX and OS/2 can't be re-implemented under i386 Linux?
>
>
>Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates / OS2BBS OS/2 Advisor
>Richmond, Virginia (804) 320-4887
>Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / TalkLink: WZ01123
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:46:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, the only thing I can say is my ES1371 works great with the drivers
in the 2.2.1 kernel.
MST
Stephe wrote:
> >
>
> I agree. I went sound card shopping today. Got a shuttle PCI with
> this 1370 chip and a generic ISA card with the crystal CS4232
> chip and tried both. The 1370 chip sounded REAL bad while the
> card with the crystal CS4232 chip sounds great! Have no idea if
> linux just doesn't like PCI sound cards or if the driver for this
> chip is just lame.. Lucky I can return the shuttle card and the
> generic one was only $10!!! Both plug and played fine..
> --
>
> Stephe
>
> Having fun with Linux!
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From: Stephe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't defrag disk - is this normal?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:49:50 -0500
Charles Sullivan wrote:
>
> I have Win 98 and RH5.2 sharing a 10 Gb drive, and boot
> without difficulty to either via LILO in the MBR.
>
> When I try to defragment the Win 98 (FAT32) partition, Win98
> says there's something wrong and to run scandisk
>
> scandisk says there's something amiss with my boot sector
> and offers to fix it. I suspect it's the presence of LILO which
> disturbs it and have thusfar declined the offer.
>
> Has anyone else with a similar setup encountered the same
> situation?
>
Sounds like a programed in "feature" that hopes to erase your
linux loader :-)
--
Stephe
Having fun with Linux!
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From: Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: one thing that sux about Linux....
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:20:41 GMT
Rowan Volvo wrote:
>
> >able to handle at least this simple chore ( for a while anyway, until it
> >chews the FAT table on the disk and explodes like a roman candle) and he
> >mostly knows how to use it. I wish everyone in here would drop the "holier
> >than thou" attitude. You all seem to either have a superiority complex or
> >want to divide the world into technology haves and have nots.
> >
>
> so... how stable would x-windows be when the CEO demands root priviledges?
You missed the earlier poster's point - the CEO doesn't do system admin
stuff himself and that's the only reason he would need root privilege.
--
"I wanted plutonium, not Beanie Babies..."
- Sadaam Hussein, in a letter to Santa Claus.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ATI 3D Rage IIc - Getting on my tits!
Date: 15 Feb 1999 02:22:46 GMT
In <7a7mmc$7mm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I wonder if anyone can help me? I've just got this nice new machine with an
>ATI 3D Rage IIc graphics card (Mach64GT, Internal DAC Type) and can I get it
>to run XFree under RedHat 5.2 (apollo)?
There is a procedure listed ( or at least was) to get the Rage IIc
working under XFREE 3.3.2 However, the best idea is to get XFREE 3.3.3,
which has RageIIc support built in.
(I returned a RageIIc card before I found out tht I could have used it.
Same symptoms as yours-- 4 coppies of the left edge of the screen)
You could also just try using the Mach64 driver from the 3.3.3
distribution and see if that works under 3.3.2
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From: Steve Sanyal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: querying RPM's on remote servers
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:23:00 GMT
Hi,
I'd like to query the contents of RPM packages that are located on
FTP servers. There are loads and loads of RPM's sitting around out
there, but I have no idea what most of them do, and I don't particularly
want to install each to find out.
I've tried to specify the ftp address in Glint's configure option, but
that doens't work.
I've also tried to use -qi ftpaddress in rpm, but htat doesn't work
either, because it seems to only be intended for rpm's currently
installed on your system.
Is there any way for me to do what I am asking?
Regards
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ATI 3D Rage IIc - Getting on my tits!
Date: 15 Feb 1999 02:24:52 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ryan Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>My friend ran a ATI Rage II fine under apollo with the accelerated Mach64 server.
3.3.2 supports Rage II fine. It is the Rage IIc (note the little c)
which has trouble. 3.3.3 fixes teh trouble I am told.
Isn;t it nice that ATI changes the cards and warns you only with one
little letter.
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:38:35 +1100
From: Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Development Tool, Project, CASE Tool
Need some sort of Software Development, planning tool, CASE Tool,
Something like MS Project.. Anything!! urgently. If I could get the name
of the software, and/or be pointed in the right direction, that would be
great.
Thanks in advance
Steve
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From: Stephe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: good book for beginner?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:52:26 -0500
Thomas Jespersen wrote:
>
> "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Can someone please recommend some good books for a Linux newbie? I've read
> > a lot of good reviews about "Running Linux" by ORA. Are there any other
> > good beginner books which are more recent?
>
Well as a beginner I just got the Que book "using LINUX" and so
far it's helped me alot..I've got WindowMaker running with a
bunch of different themes, a printer working, got sound and am
connected online..
--
Stephe
Having fun with Linux!
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From: David Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Does Linux Thrash So Bad?
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:55:09 +0000
Andrew Comech wrote:
>
> I recall I read somewhere that the largest size of the swap
> partition is 128MB. If you want to have more, you
> need to assemble it from several pieces. I am not sure
> whether this restriction still exists and how this might be
> related to the described problem.
> Best
>
> Andrew
Linux 2.2.0 (with a new mkswap) supports much larger swap partitions,
and it is doubtful that that would affect him that badly..
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Subject: Re: My modem won't work. Please help!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heller)
Date: 14 Feb 1999 03:14:22 -0500
"Mark Kreh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:27:04 -0600, wrote :
"K> I have RH5.2. I followed the instructions that were in the book for setting
"K> up ppp, but when I try to connect nothing happens. How can I tell if the
"K> computer even sees the modem? (The modem does work with W95)
If it is a WinModem, it won't work with Linux. Is the modem internal or
external? Is it PnP? Does it require a special driver under Win95?
Have you tried 'setserial' on it (do a 'man setserial' and try to probe
for COM3 or COM4 (/dev/ttyS2 (/dev/cua2) or /dev/ttyS3 (/dev/cua3)),
using the standard i/o port numbers and auto IRQ. If setserial does not
see it and the board has no jumpers, it is probably a winmodem. If you
want a modem under Linux, you need to toss the board and get a *real*
modem. All (commonly available, eg. USR Sportsers) *external* modems will
work. You might want to get a good serial I/O board, such as a Boca
IOAT55 board (two 16650A serial ports and a parallel port), or if your
built-in serial port is a 16650A (most modern systems use this UART), it
should work fine.
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie Problem with ./configure
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 02:44:18 GMT
Have you tried compiling a program with GCC (as opposed to with make).
Just write a small program and try to compile it. GCC should give you
some error messages telling you why it is not working. If you don't
know how to write C code or use GCC then let me know and I will email
you a small program and shell script to compile it with GCC.
Either way after you try it either post the messages GCC gives you and
let the group help or email them to me and I'll try to help.
Shadowspawn wrote:
>
> When trying to run ./configure I get the following messagel
>
> oading cache ./config.cache
> checking for a BSD compatable install... /usr/bin/install -c
> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
> checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
> checking for working aclocal... found
> checking for working autoconf... found
> checking for working automake... found
> checking for working autoheader... found
> checking for working makeinfo... missing
> checking for gcc... gcc
> checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler
> cannot create executables.
>
> I have the latest gcc installed on redhat 5.2, kernel 2.0.36, latest x
> windows, and kde 1.1
> any help would be greatly appreciated. BTW this problem is not program
> specific any program I try has the same problem.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bunch of pretentious Wankers
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:08:57 GMT
Need I remind everyone that there are currently 115 people in the USA that
are serving prison time for doing exactly what Bill Clinton did. Lying in a
civil case regarding sex. I am afraid that our own president has set a very
bad example. After all he is the commander in chief. Also may I remind you
that this very year 3 US servicemen and women lost their jobs and were
courtmarshalled for doing this same thing. Clinton is their boss. And he's
above the same punishment. It's an American travisty and a pathetic display
that Democrates dispite addmiting that what he did was undefenseable,
Defended him. Shows just how "above" the left seems to think they are while
accusing the right of being so. Just my .02 Keith
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It was the 12 Feb 1999 19:35:17 GMT...
> ..and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > They destroyed what he put the most credence in. The way history will see
> > him.
> >
> > He deserved it. He is a piece of shit.
> >
> > So are most Democrats.
>
> I increasingly feel like you, Sir, are a troll.
>
> mawa
> --
> So being a network guru qualifies you to 'judge' all OSes, and to
> predict that Linux won't work because Netscape fails on your machine?
> I don't think so.
> -- Persona, on comp.os.linux.advocacy
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD / Linux project
Date: 14 Feb 1999 07:05:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>A long time ago, there was this thread about FreeBSD vs. Linux. Then
>some days later, someone changed the title of the thread to "why don't
>they merge?" The whole idea, though impractical, was that the two camps
>should stop duking it out and "merge". Let's take this idea and think
>it out awhile...
>
>What if there could be a project devoted to creating a new OS, composed
>of FreeBSD --> Linux? We could have developers from both camps working
This is what the POSIX project is supposed to do - however it's goal is the
unification of all OS's.
The problem is that your looking at a generalist vs specialist approach.
Some people, like Microsoft, argue that an OS like NT is a "one size fits all"
OS, that it can do everything from running full-screen games to serving files
to compiling software. So, they make their software try to do everything,
which while it can (assuming enough add-ons and money are thrown into it)
it doesen't really do anything that well.
Others, like the Unix camps, take the perspective that some things are going to
be done very well (like network serving, filesystem performance, etc) and other
things (like the GUI) are going to be sacrificed in the name of the first things.
You would never see X made such an integral part of the OS that it couldn't be
uninstalled (except for maybe that ill-fated Unixware crap) and you would
certainly never see stability sacrificed like Microsoft did with NT by making it
possible for application programs doing weird things to the video system to
crash the OS. (when they went from NT 3.51 to NT 4.0)
Linux seems to be taking the tack of "support every bit of hardware no matter
how crappy it is" and the tack of "let's make the system so graphical that a
monkey can use it" rather than the tack of "we want 640 days of uptime before
rebooting, folks" that FreeBSD takes. A merger of the two would result in
the weakness of the GUI admin tools from FreeBSD and the weakness of the
stability in Linux to come to the forefront, sacrificing the strengths of each
OS to make it so.
Ted
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (chad foxglove)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: How do I know which window manager I am using?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:07:51 GMT
Try Window maker, it's easy to configure, and very nice, in my opinion.
"Shomboli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>OK, now let me get this straight: is wm2 the same as, or different than,
>fvwm2? If different, where do I get it? If the same, why are we discussing
>it as an alternative to itself?
> Anybody out there running RH 5.1 with a Permedia2 video card? I installed
>X11R63331 including the 33313dl file, which put XF86_3DLabs in my X11R6
>directory and elsewhere, but it's never an option in xf86config...........
>Regards,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Benyang Tang wrote:
>>
>>> Can anybody recommend a simpler (easier to configure) window manager?
>>
>>try wm2 - simple, no configuration at all, and beautiful
>>
>> Gerald
>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Ensoniq soundcard problem
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:58:18 GMT
In article <1%ox2.1357$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Mark Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone out there able to get Red Hat 5.2 to recognize your Ensonic Audio PCI
> card? Even though there are no specific drivers to support this (it IS
> Soundblaster compatible) the kernel doesn't even recognize a sound device at
> boot-time.
>
>You mus compile a new kernel. But sound support is built in to the newest
kernels, such as 2.2.0 and 2.2.1 Get 'em.
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