Linux-Misc Digest #37, Volume #21 Thu, 15 Jul 99 00:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Debian packaging system (William Burrow)
Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be? (Lars Duening)
Re: Sound card question (Michel Catudal)
Re: Epson Color 600 and Debian 2.1 (Dave Howland)
Does cp only use clean buffers? ("Tony")
Re: Major RedHat 6.0 Disappointment (David M. Cook)
Re: Is CD-R usuable as backup medium on Linux? (Carl Fink)
Re: netscape hangs (LB)
Re: Lilo & EZ-Drive ("WME")
Re: Sound & video card (Mike Argy)
Pioneer drm-640x (Tracy Johns)
Re: Legal file and directory names (Robert Nichols)
Linux-2.2.9 Question (Leo Cambilargiu)
Re: Major RedHat 6.0 Disappointment ("Prasanth Kumar")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Debian packaging system
Date: 15 Jul 1999 01:10:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 14 Jul 1999 19:36:06 GMT,
J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>It seems to me that practically everything must be done through dpkg.
>
>You should only use a package management based distribution if you accept
>the premise of package management: you, as the local system administrator,
>explicitly relinquish control of your system to some degree, in exchange for
>not having to know and do everything yourself, by having package maintainers
>take care of things for you.
I want both. As you explain later, its convenient to have gcc, TeX or
whatever just install. These things don't change often over time (or
perhaps I don't want to change them often).
Other things change frequently, due to development, bugs, features, etc.
and it would be really good to have the latest version ASAP.
Unfortunately, packages lag. Some packages lag horribly. This means a
manual compile and install, which is right up my alley being a slackware
type. Just sometimes I don't feel like hunting down some long forgotten
archive for a program.
To be sure, the *BSD ports system is darn slick. The system retrieves,
patches, compiles and installs the app on the same computer. Just gives
ol' Slackware types the warm fuzzies. ;)
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Duening)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: open systems?!? Re: Why does Apple not cooperate with Be?
Date: 15 Jul 1999 02:24:06 GMT
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:00:23 -0500, Jerome Jahnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <pR7j3.18017$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> arcane*SPAM*[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Herborth) wrote:
>
> > BeOS is seen as a competitor (it's got a non-sucky GUI, it's got media
> > capabilities, its foundation blows MacOS completely out of the water),
> > therefore it's a threat.
>
> You can't sue [...] the entire case would be thrown out.
These are two different things.
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Lars Duening; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sound card question
Date: 14 Jul 1999 20:55:12 -0500
Ilia Mirkin wrote:
>
> Hey.
>
> I have a DRSOUNDPCI32 sound card by Digital Research Technologies.
> Here is lspci's output:
> 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ESS 1969 (rev 01)
>
> When I was installing the card under windows, I used the ESS1938
> drivers. However, under linux, there seem to be only older models of the
> ESS cards. Could anyone suggest a way for me to be able to use the card
> under linux?
>
> When I try to install any module, other than the basic sound module, It
> tells me that the init_module failed: Driver or resource busy.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ilia Mirkin
>
ESS1869 is well supported under Linux by both SuSE 6.1 and RedHat
6.0. On RedHat 5.2 and previous version it would screw up on the
sndconfig program and you'd have to set it up by hand.
An easy fix is to buy the driver from Open Sound, this is only
$20 and it works. The catch is that you can't use the latest and
greatest unstable kernels since they don't want to support them
yet. ALSA also support ESS but last time I tried it, it wasn't
worth shit. I downloaded the latest version and shall try it again
as I want to use the new kernels and can't with Open Sound.
A side note, the midi plugin in netscape does work with Open Sound
but does not work with the old 2.2.x kernels as well as the new
kernels. It sort of work but at a speed which is unacceptably fast.
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From: Dave Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Epson Color 600 and Debian 2.1
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:22:12 -0400
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i'm running the same setup actually, i've attached my printcap for your
perusal, and i used aspfilter to generate a filter file, try using the
ghostscript uniprint drivers, they work great for me... apsfilter comes
with excellent docs, so you shouldn't have any trouble at all getting it
going...
oh, and if, in teh future, you want you system to "play nicely with other
dists," i highly suggest alien... it works great! you can use it to
convert almost any rpm to a deb
Dave Howland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RC5-Moo - Hey, 400 KKeys/sec isn't a heck
of a lot... unless you multiply
it by 100,000...
http://www.distributed.net
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Josh Morris wrote:
> Has anyone got this printer to work with Debian. I'm running Debian 2.1
> with a 2.2.10 compiled kernel. I installed Ghostscript 5.10 per a site
> recommended by the Ghostscript download page for Debian et al. distros.
> However, I have absolutely no idea how to set up this printer under Debian.
> I can do it under Red Hat quite easily, but unfortunately I haven't been
> able to get the printer to work using Debian. Does someone know of a site
> that goes through this step by step, or maybe if they can post or e-mail me
> their printcap and corresponding filter file. It was easy with Red Hat
> (kudos to them for that tool), and I'd like to explore Debian's strengths
> and weaknesses. I've looked at magicfilter (which I couldn't find a entry
> for this printer and the only one I could get working was monochrome and
> flaky at that) and I've even tried copying over the files generated by Red
> Hat (which obviously didn't work - wouldn't it be nice if all Linux
> distributions played nicely together?). Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Josh Morris
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Does cp only use clean buffers?
Date: 15 Jul 1999 02:49:17 GMT
At work I need to copy some DOS format files in such a way that the 'slack'
(extra space in the final cluster) is clean (ie, filled with 0's). I have
found cp seems to do this (by using Norton DiskEditor once I'm back in
DOS), but I would like to know if this is absolutely true. Does anyone
know where in the source code I can look to prove this? Is this maybe
untrue?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Major RedHat 6.0 Disappointment
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:59:48 GMT
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:50:59 GMT, David Eno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Red Hat 6.0 runs great for about 1-2 minutes, and then the system hangs.
>The mouse cursor disappears, the keyboard's gone. Everything locks up.
>C-A-D doesn't even work.
I've never seen a problem like this. Could you post more info about the
problem and system:
* Are you running X when the problem occurs?
* video card
* SCSI controllers if any
>Open Linux runs fine, but it doesn't meet my needs as a server.
Huh? Open Linux has pretty much the same stuff that Redhat has.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Is CD-R usuable as backup medium on Linux?
Date: 15 Jul 1999 00:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:15:26 GMT Calvin Ostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I want to use CD-R as a backup medium on Linux. My
>intention is to take my hard drive into one of those
>services that write CD-R backups. However, reading the
>Linux CDROM HOWTO, it tells me that "one-off" CD's
>are generally written in XA format, and that this
>format is not generally supported by Linux CDROM drivers
>(one supposes especially not the generic ATAPI/IDE
>driver that I hope to be able to use).
I'm suspecting you have a *really* old HOWTO.
I use a CD-RW on my system to do backups. It works fine, it reads
all CD formats I care about (including audio and photo CD), and I
don't even need to take my hard drive out of the computer and bring
to some "place" to get it backed up.
--
Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy."
-Martin Luther on Copernicus' theory that the Earth orbits the sun
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:30:28 -0500
From: LB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: netscape hangs
Eli Osherovich wrote:
> Hi all I have a strange behavior of Netscape 4.61 (4.51 the same)
> when I run it in background and close the console/xterm
> that I used to run it Netscape stops to respond or close itself.
>
> I have RH linux 6.0 with 2.2.10 kernel
Hi,
this is not a problem with netscape, this is normal Un*x behavior. When
you kill the terminal that started the (Netscape) job, the child
processes receive a signal saying that the termninal died, and the usual
response is termination of the job.
I would suggest using a shortcut or, if you must use the command line,
try
>man'nohup'
Lorne
--
http://lorne.anvdesign.net
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From: "WME" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo & EZ-Drive
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:20:48 -0400
At first I partitioned the drive normally with fdisk and was successfully
able to format and boot to it with 'DOS'. Just the basic system files. After
that I tried to install Windows NT then I got core dump before I even got to
the GUI. When I tried to remove the partition again. It didn't work. I had
to use EZ-BIOS.
> I updated my Bios I had no need to install EZ-Bios. Why did you need to
install
> it? Are you running a dual boot? Be specific b/c if you are not dual
booting
I am not sure what 'dual boot' is. Are u referring to a software or
something like 'lilo' or 'NT Loader'? It is clearly mentioned on the box
that EZ-BIOS doesn't support UNIX or OS/2. That's why I didn't try to
install lilo with EZ-BIOS. I have read that EZ-BIOS determines whether it's
installation is needed or not and if not, it is not installed.
The motherboard I have is a supermicro and I noticed that after updating
the bios, the system is not able to restart through any software. Other than
that the bios is OK.
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From: Mike Argy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Sound & video card
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:50:52 -0500
Linux's video support is based on the chipset, not the card manufacturer. You
will need to find out which chipset your card uses (i.e. S3, matrox,Trident,etc)
and install the correct Xserver. You can configure the memory size, resolutions,
refresh rates, etc. to tweak the settings.
I have a Yamaha XG audio setup (also integrated, on a Compaq motherboard), and
the sound works perfectly, configured as a Sound Blaster AWE 64 (or 32, I don't
quite remember).
Mike
John Assalone wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm considering whether or not to buy a matrox millenium G400 or stick
> with my Mystique G200/Monster3d 2. Does anyone know of the status/extent
> of linux support for this card?
>
> on a different note (and a different machine)...
> I have a Dell Dimension V400 as my work PC. It has an integrated audio
> chip (Yamaha DS/XG), however i can't find anything more specific than
> this on either Dell's or Yamaha's websites. So my sound doesn't work,
> which really sucks because i have to listen to my co-workers odd musical
> selections throughout the day
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From: Tracy Johns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pioneer drm-640x
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:05:50 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,
I have recently acquired a Pioneer DRM-640X 6 disk CD jukebox. It is
new to me, and I haven't used one of these before. Does anyone know how
to use it with Linux? I have Slackware 2.0.34 kernel, and kernel 2.2.6
available. Do I need a special driver? Does anyone know if Slackware 4.0
will work with this jukebox?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Tracy Johns
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Nichols)
Subject: Re: Legal file and directory names
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:10:47 GMT
In article <7mfjj1$khm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Efi Merdler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:Are there any limitations on a file name and a directory
:name,limitations like forbidden characters,length,spaces etc...
The only two characters that are absolutely forbidden are the forward
slash (/), because it is used as a separator between components of a
path, and the null character, because it is used as a string terminator
in C.
In practice, using any character that has special meaning to your shell
is likely to cause you some minor headaches. There are a *lot* of them.
For 'bash' these include white space characters (space, tab, newline),
square and curly braces [{}], parentheses, semicolon, backslash, all
three quote characters ("'`), ampersand (&), the dollar sign ($), the
greater-than and less-than signs (<>), the vertical bar (|), and the
carat (^). The asterisk (*) and question mark (?), which the shell uses
for filename expansion, can also be a nasty trap since they can appear
to work just fine until one day another file whose name differs in only
that character position gets created in the same directory. In addition
a colon (:) embedded in a directory name will make it impossible to
include that directory in a PATH variable since the colon is used as a
separator there.
Characters that should not be used as the initial character of a file or
directory name include the minus sign (-), which a frequent nuisance
since most commands will try to interpret the rest of the filename as an
option string, the exclamation point (!), which introduces shell history
expansion, the percent sign, which introduces jobname expansion, and the
tilde (~), since the shell will try to expand "~something" to the login
directory of user "something". Also, an initial octothorpe (that's what
the "#" character is officially called) in an argument will cause the
shell to treat the remainder of the line as a comment.
You can work around almost all of that with proper quoting (execept for
":" and "-") or other techniques, but life is a whole lot simpler if you
simply avoid the problems. If you've been looking at your keyboard
while reading this you've seen that I've mentioned almost all of the
printing, non-alphanumeric characters. You've still got the characters
_ + = . ,
to play with, and those characters which are treated specially at the
beginning of a name can be embedded within a name freely. I won't get
into the nonprinting (control) characters or non-ASCII (>127) characters
at all except to say to avoid them. (Yes, you can get away with using
the high-ASCII characters if your system is configured for a language
that needs them and you don't plan on sending 'tar' archives and the
like to systems that don't have that support.)
Now if you happen to be writing a program that uses files that would not
normally be referenced except through that program, you might _prefer_
to include some of the shell's special characters simply to reduce the
liklihood of a name conflict, but you still need to be a bit careful so
as not to appear that you went out of your way to make life difficult
for operations like backup and restore.
--
Bob Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP public key 1024/9A9C7955
Key fingerprint = 2F E5 82 F8 5D 06 A2 59 20 65 44 68 87 EC A7 D7
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From: Leo Cambilargiu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux-2.2.9 Question
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:00:03 +1000
Hello all:
When I compile the kernel, or do anything which requires the buffer sizes
to be changed (I have a 486 w/ 20 Mg Ram & 32 Mg swap) I get a strange
response now and again.
The message "Neighbor overflow" or something gets printed to the screen
(in virtual consoles) Does anyone know why? I never saw this message in
Pre2.2 kernels.
LCamBilARgiu
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From: "Prasanth Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Major RedHat 6.0 Disappointment
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 03:21:51 GMT
Since this is a new machine, I highly suggest you test the memory. Bad
memory can lead to
failures when thinks are running only a certain way. Regardless, it is quick
to test it. I got a
program called memtest at
http://www.supercomputer.org/Downloads/index.html#memtest86
and it should be installed on a bootable floppy (it is an OS independent
test) and run overnight.
David Eno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:n_4j3.280$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm disappointed. I've installed Linux roughly 50 times without a
problem.
> I recently bought a P3-450, 128M, 3COM NIC, 13G HDD. As I've done lots of
> times before, I install Win98 on a small partition, and Linux right behind
> it.
>
> Red Hat 6.0 runs great for about 1-2 minutes, and then the system hangs.
> The mouse cursor disappears, the keyboard's gone. Everything locks up.
> C-A-D doesn't even work.
>
> Open Linux runs fine, but it doesn't meet my needs as a server.
>
> Anyone else have this problem? or a solution?
>
> TIA.
>
> --
> Dave E.
>
>
>
>
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