Linux-Misc Digest #97, Volume #19 Fri, 19 Feb 99 12:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Screen Capture in Xwindows ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Help with X related concepts. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux Wrappers for DOS programs (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Searching for a Linux Sequencer (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Help with X related concepts. (Greg Thorne)
Re: RH5.2 linuxconf & control-panel (Robert J Collins)
Re: Neomagic (fernando)
Re: SCSI CDROM Problem (Chien Wang)
RedHat 5.2/ how to install/update ghostscript 4.03 to 5.10? (doug)
just making sure (diff between cua2 ttyS2) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Always as root - is it dangerous? ("J�rgen Exner")
Looking for a 3270 terminal under Linux Text mode (Stephan Burkhardt)
Re: ...a Linux RedHat Technician/Superuser ? ("Jonah99")
Re: Soundblaster doesn't work.. (Pavel Khaustov)
Re: Can Applixware open Micorsoft Word formatted files (i.e. .doc (Steve Gage)
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screen Capture in Xwindows
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:13:53 -0500
Paul Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
PD> Does anyone know of any screen capture programs I can use to
PD> capture XWindow screenshots??
xv will do the trick. xwd will work as well, but is a little less
intuitive (see its man page). xwd has the advantage that you can
generate a screenshot using entirely free software, if you're into
that sort of thing. xv is easier to use.
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with X related concepts.
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:29:43 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:10:20 -0600...
..and Greg Thorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I apologize if one or more of these are considered the wrong group. I
> posted a similar question to comp.windows.x and comp.windows.x.i386, but
> never got much of a reply.
>
> I'm not new to Linux, but I don't have much experience with X. I have
> been wondering a few things about X.
>
> 1) What are the advantages/disadvantages of E, WindowMaker, KDE, and
> AfterStep (I think I'm leaning toward WindowMaker)?
First off: KDE is not a window manager. It's a desktop environment
complete with a whole suite of little desktop applications, file
manager, help system etc. It comes with its own window manager (kwm),
but it runs with others, too.
Now, off we go:
Enlightenment: Panta rhei. This is cool, but it's a resource hog. A
question of taste if you want to use it. You'll have to update it a
couple times, too, if you want to get all the latest features -
they're releasing daily snapshots. Enlightenment is the WM that
cooperates best with Gnome, to date.
Window Maker: Nice. Best NeXTStep look-alike around. Very elegant,
lots of dock apps, not too lean though.
AfterStep: A modular architecture. You'll need a decent configuration
to go with this one, but it should be provided with your distro.
AfterStep stems from FVWM.
> 2) Is there a way to switch WM's while you're in your X session?
Yes and no. If your WM is the magic process (that is, the process
exec'd last in your .xinitrc), you can't switch the WM unless your WM
provides a facility to do so. If another program (say an xterm or a
button panel) is the magic process, you can kill your WM and start
another one without any problem.
> 3) What exactly is GNOME? I know it's not really a separate WM, but it
> still will run GTK themes? How does this work?
Gnome is a desktop environment just like KDE, but it's not finished
yet and its goals are a bit different. It's based on GTK+, so changing
GTK+ themes will change all the Gnome apps' looks. Gnome cooperates
with a couple of WMs better than with others. If you want to have the
perfect combination, use it with E. If you want it to be lean, hm,
perhaps icewm or Window Maker is the one for you. (Methinks flwm
supports Gnome hints, too, now?)
> 4) I know this is objective, but give me your opinions: which WM's are
> superior in resource usage, graphical look, and "feel"?
I've got 28 different WMs installed on my system, and I have tried
them all... I say:
Resource usage - go for swim. It's the simplest WM around (except for
the original wm, perhaps). You'll only get it on e-mail request from
the author, though. If you want a *nice and lean* WM, try wm2, wmx or
(my favourite) flwm. I recommend everyone to try flwm. It's really
neat, and very very lean.
Graphical look: Perhaps E is best here, if you use a decent theme...
but for me, neither DEFAULT nor iCe is the perfect one. I like Window
Maker in this respect. But try icewm, too - it's pretty and themable.
Feel: Now this is tough. flwm or icewm, perhaps.
> 5) I know this is trivial, but I like the "transparent window" look. Is
> this possible with any WM?
It's not the WM that does this, it's a matter of the application. For
example, Eterm (the Enlightenment terminal) emulates a transparent
background, but it's slow doing so! If you only want partly
transparent window decoration, try E, wm2 or wmx.
HTH
mawa
--
The utility of a fancy Web browser is damn near zero compared with the
utility of a really good text editor.
-- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Linux Wrappers for DOS programs
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:32:14 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:55:59 +0100...
..and Andrew Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a system for combining a DOS .exe file with a
> "wrapper" which will make it executable under Linux. In other words,
> rather than firing up dosemu and running the DOS program inside it, I
> want to create a Linux executable which can be run from bash like any
> other Linux program.
Exists. It's called a DEXE file.
mawa
--
For in Georgian Bay, it is possible to imagine North America as it was
-- before the United States have began the murderous deceptions and
unthinking carelessness that have all but /spoiled/ it!
-- John Irving, _A_Prayer_For_Owen_Meany_
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Searching for a Linux Sequencer
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:37:04 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:25:49 GMT...
..and Nick Codon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For a while now I'm searching for a LINUX program that can handle midi-data almost
>like CUBASE. If I have to dump the
> audio aspect, then that's allright. If not, the better.
GNU RoseGarden seems to be your best bet. It's got a pretty slick user
interface (although it's monochrome - a bit like the good old ST :),
as far as I can tell, and it should provide at least a subset of
Cubase Score's functionality.
Big plus: it can output MusiXTeX code so you can typeset your scores
with TeX! Whoa!
Look at <URL: http://www.gnu.org> and go from there.
mawa
--
The best design is not predicated on how brain-dead you can be and
still operate it.
-- David C. Wright
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Thorne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with X related concepts.
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:21:04 -0600
In article <vcJy2.15444$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >> {Snip}
> >> WindowMaker: This is pretty popular. It's a nice-looking WM that can be
> >> customized a fair bit, but is still pretty damn lean. I believe it's now
> >> the official WM of the GNUStep project, so it looks alot like the original
> >> NeXTStep. Fun things like a docking bar and dockable applets.
>
> >The docking bar and dockable applets are useable in E also, are they not?
> >Right now, I still think that Window Maker is my best choice.
>
> WindowMaker is fairly widely liked.
That's what I've pretty much decided on. I spent some time on the
Internet yesterday, and decided on that one. The JavaScript WindowMaker
demo at http://www.boxybutgood.com/~rive/WindowMaker/ helped my decision
a lot. I think I'll use 'wterm' as my term program. It's on this page:
http://wm.current.nu/files.html#wterm
> >> {Snip}
> >> <out with the asbestos suit>
> >> KWM: The default WM of the KDE desktop. The KDE guys can say what they
> >> like, but KDE and KWM are pretty much glued to each other. Trying to run
> >> some of the core KDE stuff (like the panel and file manager) with a
> >> different WM isn't very nice. And I think you still need some of the KDE
> >> libs to run it, and probably some of the KDE tools to configure it. So
> >> don't plan on running KWM without the rest of KDE. KDE can be a bit of a
> >> memory and CPU hog. But it depends.
>
> >Hehehe. Yah, I've noticed that there are quite a few KDE zealots out
> >there. I don't know about that one. The idea of the apps being all
> >glued together and built in isn't that appealing to me.
>
> Nothing stops you from running applications that "merely" expect to have
> X out there. You can run KDE, GNOME, and non-[either] apps all at the
> same time. Some KDE zealots seem unusually zealous to the point that it
> *appears* they want to exclude non-KDE apps from one's system, which is
> rather unfortunate.
I can't imagine that. Who would want all those apps glued into their WM?
That's kinda like integrating the browser with the OS. What a stupid
idea. I hope that the majority of KDE zealots aren't like that.
> >> > 2) Is there a way to switch WM's while you're in your X session?
> >> Yes, many WM's suport this. It does has to be supported by the WM though.
>
> >Okay, so each window manager you want to switch to has to support it?
>
> Your configuration has to support it. That may (or may not) involve WM
> configuration.
>
> If the WM is the last thing run when getting X going, then that means
> that when the WM terminates, if it doesn't start up something else, then
> your X session will end.
>
> If, on the other hand, some other program "owns" the X session, then
> life is (somewhat) simpler.
>
> It is typical for WMs to have, in their menus, an option to exit. You
> can normally add additional options such that when you exit, you can
> start up alternative WMs. Red Hat and Debian tend to set up WMs with
> this as an option.
Okay, that makes sense.
> >> > 3) What exactly is GNOME? I know it's not really a separate WM,
> >> GNOME is a desktop environment. It was originally started in reaction to
> >> the licence for the QT widget set used by KDE. It has since started
> >> moving off in a slightly different direction to KDE. It looks like GNOME
> >> might end up being more of a 'hacker' or 'power user' desktop, or at least
> >> to begin with.
>
> That doesn't answer the question.
>
> GNOME and KDE are desktop environments, which represent a set of
> libraries and applications intended to provide some common
> functionality, including:
> - GUI libraries so that apps can have common "look and feel"
> - Configuration libraries so apps can use common ways of looking up
> configuration data
> - Common libraries to link out to get at help (e.g. - HTML/Manual
> pages)
> - Common Drag'n'Drop methods
> - Common compound document models (in progress)
Okay, that's all clearer now. So, in the future, apps developed can
either be programmed for X in general, or for GNOME?
> {Snip}
> >> GTK is a widget set, and dictates how the 'widgets' look. i.e buttons,
> >> menus, lists, etc... The current development version of GTK has support
> >> for themes, also done by Rasterman. This is totally seperate to the WM.
> >Yah, I was talking about the themes on http://gtk.themes.org . Are they
> >WM-independent as long as you're running GNOME, or what? I know most (if
> >not all) WM's are themeable by themselves, but how does GTK themes apply
> >to the WM?
>
> GNOME themes can influence all the applications that are
> GTK/GNOME-aware.
>
> If the WM is aware of this stuff, then the GNOME themes can affect the
> WM. If not, then not.
Okay, finally, that makes sense. So is it possible to run both a GTK and
a WM theme at the same time? I guess the WM theme would only apply to
apps that are not GTK-aware.
> {Snip}
> >> The 'Eterm' program (an X terminal modelled after enlightenments'
> >> configurability) does have the ability to be transparent.
> >Is this the only terminal that allows this? I was looking at the
> >AfterStep theme called "Translucency" on this page:
> >http://as.themes.org/themes.shtml
>
> Several terminal programs do this *sort* of thing; aterm (written for
> Afterstep) may do similar.
>
> This sort of "chrome" seems to me to be a waste of time/memory, but to
> each their own...
Yah, I figure that since I spend so much time at a computer, it may as
well look pretty.
> {Snip}
One other thing: I'm one to jump in head first. When I start using
WindowMaker, I also want to develop some apps. Is there a definitive
guide on developing apps for X (web page, book, etc)? Will this type of
programming apply to "dock apps," as well? I've heard that a lot of
people use TCL/TK, what's this like?
-G
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From: Robert J Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH5.2 linuxconf & control-panel
Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:53:43 GMT
John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Has anyone else with RH5.2 noticed trouble with linuxconf and
: control-panel processes not dying when logging out as root?
I'm having the same problem. I am also killing the x-session and
counting on all child processes to die.
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From: fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Neomagic
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:00:09 +0500
latest xfree86 versions support Neomagic
Gordon Ritchie wrote:
>
> I need a neomagic display driver for my laptop, running slakware can't get
> XFree86 running !
--
============================================
This are my personal opinions
Real email: sanabriaf at yahoo dot com
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From: Chien Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SCSI CDROM Problem
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:09:12 -0600
Hi Gerald,
Did you save the old kernel? because it seems that the old kernel was able
to recognize the cdrom, and from your e-mail, it assigned it to
/dev/sr0(which is the same as /dev/scd0 but not /dev/sdc). Once you can get
the proper kernel that detects your CDROM, then you can go to /dev and do a
MAKEDEV sr0, then you should be able to mount it, i.e. mount -t iso9660
/dev/sr0 /cdrom(or something like that).
Good luck,
Chien
Pavel Greenfield wrote:
> I'm sorry, I meant /dev/sdc. I guess it's still not right. Thanks...
>
> Gerald Willmann wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Pavel Greenfield wrote:
> >
> > > I can't seem to get my SCSI Toshiba CDRom to work. (It's Toshiba
> > > XM-5401TA.)
> > > (I tried >>>mount /dev/hdc /cdrom, and mount would respond /dev/sdc is
> >
> > try /dev/scd0 - it's definitely not hdc if you have a scsi cdrom
> >
> > Gerald
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From: doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: RedHat 5.2/ how to install/update ghostscript 4.03 to 5.10?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:38:07 -0500
Hi,
I'm having some problems in getting the newer (5.10) ghostscript
package
installed on my RedHat 5.2 system. It currently has 4.03 ghostscript. If
I use rpm -i or rpm -u, the package is installed OK, but it breaks the
printtool (i.e. in the filters menu there are only 2 selections instead
of
the normal many. it shows only postscript & plain text filters). If I
try
gs --version, it errors out with unable to open libraries. If I then
uninstall
the package, and re-install the rpms from the 5.2 CD everything is fine.
I'm installing the fonts, (gs/urw) & the latest printtool and
printfilter
packages. I've tried many combinations of the packages. It seems to me
that it
shouldn't be this hard, I mean I haven't had this type of trouble until
this.
If anyone has successfully done the upgrade from the 5.2 CD
ghostscript(4.03)
to the newer ghostscript 5.10 and has it working I'd sure like to know
if there
is a magical sequence of events to perform that I don't know about.
Thanks for
any help. Doug
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: just making sure (diff between cua2 ttyS2)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:47:03 GMT
Hi, i run linux slackware and recently upgraded (well backed up formated
reinstalled restored ;> ) to slackware 3.6.0 and it all went smoothly. but
when i setup ppp and then tried the ppp-go script it gave me this:
tty_io.c: process 109 (pppd) used obsolete /dev/cua2 - update software to use
/dev/ttyS2
tty_io.c: process 109 (pppd) used obsolete /dev/cua2 - update software to use
/dev/ttyS2
tty_io.c: process 112 (pppd) used obsolete /dev/cua2 - update software to use
/dev/ttyS2
tty_io.c: process 115 (pppd) used obsolete /dev/cua2 - update software to use
/dev/ttyS2
tty_io.c: process 118 (pppd) used obsolete /dev/cua2 - update software to use
/dev/ttyS2
now i just went to the /dev/ dir and mv'd /dev/modem -> /dev/modem.bak and
made a sym lnk modem file linked to /dev/ttyS2 and everything *seems* to be
working ok... my question is: IS this fix too half ass? I have had fixes in
the past that really <so i have been told> shouldn't have worked.
Last question: wht is the diff between cua and tty ? they seem to be the same
but the computer seems to think otherwise.
thank you,
-Gaiko
Gaikokujin Kyofusho
Student Extraordinare & UN*X Guru Wannbe
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Always as root - is it dangerous?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:53:47 -0800
Mick Costa wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I think the danger is that a simple slip-up can cause some horrible
>problems when you are logged in as root. It's the old situation where
>you type in:
>
>rm -f / directory
>
>instead of
>
>rm -f /directory
>
>You should really think about those times that you absolutely need to be
>root. I believe that you can configure you system to allow you to mount
>disks without being root. Are there other occasions where you REALLY
>need to be root?
Installing SUID software, installing (not compiling!) a new kernel (or at
least for re-running /sbin/lilo), couple of admin tasks like creating new
users.
Even for installing non-SUID software in e.g. /usr/bin you don't need root
permissions if you use an admin group and make those directories writeable
for the admin group.
jue
--
J�rgen Exner; microsoft.com, UID: jurgenex
Sorry for this anti-spam inconvenience
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From: Stephan Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Looking for a 3270 terminal under Linux Text mode
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:32:38 +0100
Hi folks,
I have a blind colleague who has migrated from a DOS PC to Linux, mainly
for reasons of the availability to have 8 ttys simultaneously, for
example to be logged into a host and to browse the internet at the same
time, using a Braille field.
He works mainly as a software developer on an IBM host.
To access the host we need a 3270 terminal that runs under Linux without
X11 (i.e. in text mode). The only emulation we could filnd was x3270
which only works with X11 started, so we cannot use it. Did you ever
hear about such a beast as a TN3270 emulation that runs under our Linux
flat ? I have already browsed the BLINUX-LIST, but
to no avail. Maybe you have a hot link ?
Thanks in advance for any helpful hint
Stephan Burkhardt debis telecommunications services
Fellbach, Germany e-mail......: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X.400................: c=de;a=debis;g=stephan;s=burkhardt
Tel: (49)-711-17-49457 Fax: (49)-711-17-40308
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From: "Jonah99" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: ...a Linux RedHat Technician/Superuser ?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:09:49 +0200
Thanks for your time, Frank...
Trial & Error....that could be very informative I know,
and I'll have a look around the howtos once more.
Thanks again...
See Ya
==============================
>There is loads of information on the net, but the best way to learn
>Linux is just by trial and error. It's important that you read the
>faqs/howto's
>in /usr/doc/.
>Just setup a Linux Webserver with Firewalling support for practice or so.
>Everything you need
>to know is on the web/faqs/howtos. Also setup a samba server to be able to
>create an 'NT server'
>under Linux.
>
>Some web-hints:
>http://www.linuxhq.com/guides/
>http://slashdot.org/ ( this is merely a news site )
>
>Greets,
>Frank
>
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From: Pavel Khaustov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Soundblaster doesn't work..
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:44:30 -0500
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Eric Powell wrote:
snip
> Under the drivers, there are blanks for the I/O. IRQ, DMA channels and the
> Midi I/O channel.
>
> I got the values for these channels by booting the machine into Win 98 and
> finding the PnP values from the Win 98 driver, wrote them down and used them
> to re-compile the Kernel. Still haven't got things working perfectly but
> seem to be on the right track.
>
> If anyone else has additional thoughts or a better approach, PLEASE holler!
>
> HTH
>
> Eric
Try compiling it as a module (leave the irq etc. fields blank) and specify
the options in /etc/conf.modules. My sound-related section of that file
looks like:
alias midi opl3
options opl3 io=0x388
alias sound sb
options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330
You can change the values as appropriate for your card and reload the
sound module without rebooting or recompiling the kernel.
Pavel
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From: Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Applixware open Micorsoft Word formatted files (i.e. .doc
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:57:54 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shane Steven Sturrock wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:04:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >What about StarOffice?
>
> I have ApplixWare 4.4.1 on my DEC Alpha and it happily reads Office97 docs
> along with Excel and PowerPoint. I've used Applix for a couple of years now
> and it has always impressed me with its solidity and lack of glitzy features.
> It gets the job done, what more could you ask?
(Not to get too off-topic here..) I have only had ApplixWare for a
couple of weeks, but I find myself growing to like it very much already.
It is solid, and it may _seem_ to lack "glitzy features" (which suits
me!), but with its ELF macro language and all the hooks they give you,
you can get it to do just about anything. Well worth the $$$, IMHO.
- Steve
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